Waterresistance of the Moonraker Seiko

Higgins · February 2011

Ok, I have this guy, who's asking me over my contact form regarding James Bond Seikos. I am pretty sure, that he's a member here....

After 13 messages, he's now interested in the Moonraker Seiko and I have gotten this message today:

"how many metres is it wr?"

What should I reply?

MANDY1 · February 2011

As far as i know Seiko M354-5019 is not water resistant .... 8-) I might be wrong

I got one similar back at the 80's as a kid and forgot to remove it from my wrist when heading to Sauna

you can guess the rest

EDIT: To avoid any confuse M354-5010 is the MR watch.

MANDY1 · February 2011

But Markus, you're the watch expert etc. , Right?

Haven't you tried one when going in ya hot tub

Higgins · February 2011

Hello Teppo,

you guys from scandinavia are weird, aren't you?? *

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Problem is, that the Moonraker Seiko is a > 30 year old watch.
What is responsible for the waterresistance are rubber gaskets and these age!

It's simply nonsense to expect a 30-year-old watch to be waterresistant still as is the idea to go swimming or sauna-ing with such a collector's piece.

It would be the same, if The Mantis would go gardening with his vintage Slazenger sweater from Goldfinger

or do car-racing with a 1977 Lotus Esprit and ask, if it can run top-speed for 1 hour.

By the way, I would say the same, if someone would ask such a question for a Rolex submariner from the 60s....

*the asking guy is from Norway

MANDY1 · February 2011

Markus,

Guilty as charged - yeah we're sometimes...erm....weird, but i'm speaking only from my behalf

Agreed you can't give any guarantee for waterresintance simply due the age of watch.

I was going to ask earlier that who on earth would want to have MR Seiko as divers watch

LOL

Higgins · February 2011

Teppo wrote:

Markus,

Guilty as charged - yeah we're sometimes...erm....weird,

sometimes.......

He said SOMETIMES..... Tssss, can't believe it!

MANDY1 · February 2011

Bondtoys wrote:

Teppo wrote:

Markus,

Guilty as charged - yeah we're sometimes...erm....weird,

sometimes.......

He said SOMETIMES..... Tssss, can't believe it!

Well, it sounds better than ALWAYS

Higgins · February 2011

I call it avoiding reality.... :v

ics · February 2011

Marcus and Teppo – normally you would go down to your local watchmaker and have them make a pressure test to show if it is still water resistance -{

Higgins · February 2011

8-) another scandinavian watch expert...

I can safely tell you, that the watch will fail the pressure test. -{

ics · February 2011

Markus – never said I was an expert

but just how you would test it for water resistance…. Well if it cant passssssss then it is not resistance

Higgins · February 2011

Hey Ian,

the problem is more the relevance of the question. If he's asking for the grade of the waterresistance of a > 30yo watch, I am asking myself, why he's doing this and what he expects from this watch.

1. he may seriously consider swimming or diving with such a collector's piece. And that watch is really not the right one for such an adventure.

2. He wants to know, which pressure it could resist when it was new. That's a totally irrelevant information as the parts of the watch are 30 years old now, so that information would be of no use now.

3. He may pressure-test the watch after he's purchased it from me (for whatever reason) and this may result in trouble for me, if it fails this test. But how can someone expect waterresistance from a 30 yo watch? Are people, who are buying Jaguar E-Types now asking for the maximum speed?

danjaq_0ff · February 2011

Markus, Maybe he is just thinking "at that price it wants to be water tight" :v

Higgins · February 2011

so, an immaculate E-Type must run over 120 mph, because it costs more than GBP 10000,--? ?:)

ics · February 2011

Markus he is just an newbie that doesn’t know **** – you should just teach him

…. Asking all kind of stupid questions… just be polite and tell him you cant guarantee anything… -{

danjaq_0ff · February 2011

Maybe he wants to go swimming with snakes 8-)

Donald Grant · February 2011

Well this is not my area Bondtoys, I think it belongs to you since you've obviously spent years in the trenches collecting. However, I would not go diving or swiming with a vintage watch. There are those that say it's perfectly O.K. as long as its been propperly serviced. However, I've had a Vintage Rolex fail on me in the swiming pool. Not good. Not only is it expensive to repair the movement, but you run the risk of getting the dial buggered as well. When you see fog in the crystal get thee to a watchmaker straight away! I would think digital watch movements would be more finicky and even harder to reapair than a Rolex movement. Tell him no go!

DG

qbvi · February 2011

Hey go guys are right

Come to think of it....how many people actually use their Seamaster or Subs diving

.....actually I know some use the Subs...but then again, you can argue it looks more utilitarian than the more "pretty" Seamaster

So using a vintage watch for "real world" adventures can be like seeing fireworks. You wear it, enjoy a brief moment of ecstacy, then "phfft".

mpoplawski · February 2011

He should buy a real watch. I have a watch that was handed down from my grandfather to my father. My father was in a POW camp in Vietnam. For 8 long years, he kept that piece of metal up his a**, so it wouldn't be confiscated. That watch is now my legacy.

Oh, its depth warrantee seems to be just to the end of the large intestine.

danjaq_0ff · February 2011

Must be a bugger to tell the time with though, or are you regular as clockwork

minigeff · February 2011

bet it makes ya balls tingle when the alarm goes off.

danjaq_0ff · February 2011

Mine itch

minigeff · February 2011

urgh, scratch and sniff is it?

danjaq_0ff · February 2011

If your offering :v

MANDY1 · February 2011

danjaq_0ff wrote:

Mine itch

Was is that buzz-saw Rolex of yours

danjaq_0ff · February 2011

Wrapped up in a box

minigeff · February 2011

danjaq_0ff wrote:

If your offering :v

nope. lol.

but why not try using the garotte wire watch, it'd reach them hard to get areas.

MANDY1 · February 2011

danjaq_0ff wrote:

Wrapped up in a box

Better be, i think bezel is quite sharp...

danjaq_0ff · February 2011

Like floss

one of them things I aint got yet.

danjaq_0ff · February 2011

Teppo wrote:

danjaq_0ff wrote:

Wrapped up in a box

Better be, i think bezel is quite sharp...

Might leave a nasty friction burn

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Waterresistance of the Moonraker Seiko

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