Thunderbird 2East of Cardiff, Wales.Posts: 2,817MI6 Agent
$2300 (appox £1485 at current rates) for a single pair of ***ing cufflinks?!
I know I am playing to the Scottish stereotype here, and I do like my tailored accessories as much as the next man, but that's financially indecent!!
Its ironic, I was just saying in the "Should we see Bonds Pad?" thread that the idea that 007 should not be seen as too wealthy has already sailed. I underestimated my judgement on that one.
$2300?! I'm having a Scotch. (Glug of booze getting poured)
This is Thunderbird 2, how can I be of assistance?
$2300 (appox £1485 at current rates) for a single pair of ***ing cufflinks?!
I know I am playing to the Scottish stereotype here, and I do like my tailored accessories as much as the next man, but that's financially indecent!!
Its ironic, I was just saying in the "Should we see Bonds Pad?" thread that the idea that 007 should not be seen as too wealthy has already sailed. I underestimated my judgement on that one.
$2300?! I'm having a Scotch. (Glug of booze getting poured)
Yes, unless they are solid platinum (plated platinum is not worth anywhere near that), it's a mistake. You should buy a 30 yo Brora scotch whisky and you still have 1500$ to spend on ST Dupont cuffs, which is way too much.
If you can't trust a Swiss banker, what's the world come to?
Cufflinks of that expensive make no sense on film. A well-crafted suit makes a difference and can be worth the expense on film, but silver-plated cufflinks at best are the most that should be needed. They function the same and will look good enough. If they get lost it won't be such a big deal.
Cufflinks of that expensive make no sense on film. A well-crafted suit makes a difference and can be worth the expense on film, but silver-plated cufflinks at best are the most that should be needed. They function the same and will look good enough. If they get lost it won't be such a big deal.
Fair coments, Matt, and that could, of course, apply to Ford suits too.
As you yourself have pointed out, there are more stylish, better fitted, higher quality suits that could have been used than Ford at a considerably lower price. But they would not have had the cache of Tom Ford, nor, necessarily, DC's approval.
Cubby's edict - put the money on the screen - still seems to apply with EON.
Can't claim to be a super fashionista here ('I may not know fashion, but I know what I like' etc etc), but is everything Tom Ford touches insanely expensive or is it just me? I know that the suits etc of other major designers are comparable in price to Tom Ford's, but I find that everything he even looks at goes into the stratosphere. And in no way wishing to critique his talents (I'll leave that to others), and I know he did a great job at Gucci and Yves St Laurent, but the Ford label is still very new...so he can't even justify his prices by claiming tradition and history like many of the other big names.
Can't claim to be a super fashionista here ('I may not know fashion, but I know what I like' etc etc), but is everything Tom Ford touches insanely expensive or is it just me? I know that the suits etc of other major designers are comparable in price to Tom Ford's, but I find that everything he even looks at goes into the stratosphere. And in no way wishing to critique his talents (I'll leave that to others), and I know he did a great job at Gucci and Yves St Laurent, but the Ford label is still very new...so he can't even justify his prices by claiming tradition and history like many of the other big names.
I agree 100% however if it sells........
To be honest I'm surprised his sunglasses are not marked up a few hundred more to fall in line with his other stuff however the quality of his sunglasses are pretty dire compared to others in that price range
Can't claim to be a super fashionista here ('I may not know fashion, but I know what I like' etc etc), but is everything Tom Ford touches insanely expensive or is it just me? I know that the suits etc of other major designers are comparable in price to Tom Ford's, but I find that everything he even looks at goes into the stratosphere. And in no way wishing to critique his talents (I'll leave that to others), and I know he did a great job at Gucci and Yves St Laurent, but the Ford label is still very new...so he can't even justify his prices by claiming tradition and history like many of the other big names.
In Ford's defense, he uses the best quality cloth and construction and that sets him apart from other fashion designers who just care about design and cut costs where they can. Ford's quality is on par with a maker like Brioni, far above Yves St Laurent. Design-wise, he gets his inspiration from Savile Row, and I'd guess Edward Sexton in particular. The shrunken fit of Daniel Craig's suits in Skyfall is attributed to the costume designer, since Ford's suits were not intended to fit like that. See Ford himself sit down in one of his suits, and you'll see that the suit still looks sharp. That can't be the case for Craig's suits.
Cufflinks of that expensive make no sense on film. A well-crafted suit makes a difference and can be worth the expense on film, but silver-plated cufflinks at best are the most that should be needed. They function the same and will look good enough. If they get lost it won't be such a big deal.
Fair coments, Matt, and that could, of course, apply to Ford suits too.
As you yourself have pointed out, there are more stylish, better fitted, higher quality suits that could have been used than Ford at a considerably lower price. But they would not have had the cache of Tom Ford, nor, necessarily, DC's approval.
Cubby's edict - put the money on the screen - still seems to apply with EON.
The fit has nothing to do with Tom Ford. The suit could fit Daniel Craig very well if the costume designer wanted to size up. It's like they put him in a 42S when a 44R would be a proper fit. I think Ford's Savile Row-inspired suits are very stylish and the quality is superb. They probably have better craftsmanship than a lot of Savile Row tailors. They are still overpriced, but the quality is there and the look could be if they got the fit right.
I have been told that the suits that Craig will wear in Skyfall are trendy and not what the propper English gentlemen would wear, particularly with a military background. Same goes for the shirt collars. I will leave where I got that bit of information un-attributed. I believe MattS echos the same sentiment. I will say I have seen some guys here in the U.S. wearing exceedingly small suits that looks very clownish. Think of Craig's Skyfall suitings but pushed to the nth degree. We're talking pants well above the ankles and sleeves high up on the forearm. What's up with that? Where did that come from?
Anyway, despite the Skyfall suiting choices, I hope it's a good movie. Unfortunately, the suits may place Skyfall in a particular period of time, rather than making it timeless.
Still, I'll bet the Skyfall style of suit will become quite popular. Unfortunately, you have to be in very good shape to carry it off.
DG
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Cufflinks of that expensive make no sense on film. A well-crafted suit makes a difference and can be worth the expense on film, but silver-plated cufflinks at best are the most that should be needed. They function the same and will look good enough. If they get lost it won't be such a big deal.
Fair coments, Matt, and that could, of course, apply to Ford suits too.
As you yourself have pointed out, there are more stylish, better fitted, higher quality suits that could have been used than Ford at a considerably lower price. But they would not have had the cache of Tom Ford, nor, necessarily, DC's approval.
Cubby's edict - put the money on the screen - still seems to apply with EON.
The fit has nothing to do with Tom Ford. The suit could fit Daniel Craig very well if the costume designer wanted to size up. It's like they put him in a 42S when a 44R would be a proper fit. I think Ford's Savile Row-inspired suits are very stylish and the quality is superb. They probably have better craftsmanship than a lot of Savile Row tailors. They are still overpriced, but the quality is there and the look could be if they got the fit right.
Oh come o Matt, you've almost become an apologist for Ford.
"Rs" and "Ss" have no relevance in tailoring of this type; Craig's suits will have been tailored to him and cut in the style and sizing FORD found appropriate for that type of suit. Any influence by the costume designer will have been an irrelevance. Huge Ford fan Craig would not wear a Ford suit in any way Ford himself had not intended it fit.
And however superb the quality- and I do not disagree - my original point was that, as you agree, similar quality can be obtained at a lower price; therefore at TF's prices they should be better quality still. But, of course, they are paying for the name.
Thunderbird 2East of Cardiff, Wales.Posts: 2,817MI6 Agent
I have been told that the suits that Craig will wear in Skyfall are trendy and not what the propper English gentlemen would wear, particularly with a military background. Same goes for the shirt collars. I will leave where I got that bit of information un-attributed. I believe MattS echos the same sentiment. I will say I have seen some guys here in the U.S. wearing exceedingly small suits that looks very clownish. Think of Craig's Skyfall suitings but pushed to the nth degree. We're talking pants well above the ankles and sleeves high up on the forearm. What's up with that? Where did that come from?
Anyway, despite the Skyfall suiting choices, I hope it's a good movie. Unfortunately, the suits may place Skyfall in a particular period of time, rather than making it timeless.
DG
I agree completely. Bond walks the fine line of "fashion and flavour of the moment" - Trouble is, some fashion tends simply look odd in retrospect - Sir Rogers 70's flared lapels and trouser hems spring to mind. However everyone is wearing it at the time. - M Q, General Golgol etc etc. Others styles are painfully impractical. - Esp this, since Bond is singled out by it. To me, this shrunken tapered style which every designer label is dancing to right now looks impractical as well as stupid. Having witnessed it here in Bristol, it really does look like the person is deliberately wearing a suit a size or two too small, as Matt S pointed out. - Something no reputable tailor would recommend, as it makes them look bad!
All the actors who have played Bond have had their own Tailoring style looks when they played the character. Some with a timeless quality (Connery, Brosnan to a degree) others are firmly cemented in the era the films were made!
This is Thunderbird 2, how can I be of assistance?
Cufflinks of that expensive make no sense on film. A well-crafted suit makes a difference and can be worth the expense on film, but silver-plated cufflinks at best are the most that should be needed. They function the same and will look good enough. If they get lost it won't be such a big deal.
Outside 40 people here, no one will ever, ever know.
If you can't trust a Swiss banker, what's the world come to?
I have been told that the suits that Craig will wear in Skyfall are trendy and not what the propper English gentlemen would wear, particularly with a military background. Same goes for the shirt collars. I will leave where I got that bit of information un-attributed. I believe MattS echos the same sentiment. I will say I have seen some guys here in the U.S. wearing exceedingly small suits that looks very clownish. Think of Craig's Skyfall suitings but pushed to the nth degree. We're talking pants well above the ankles and sleeves high up on the forearm. What's up with that? Where did that come from?
Anyway, despite the Skyfall suiting choices, I hope it's a good movie. Unfortunately, the suits may place Skyfall in a particular period of time, rather than making it timeless.
Still, I'll bet the Skyfall style of suit will become quite popular. Unfortunately, you have to be in very good shape to carry it off.
DG
Suiting properly refers to the fabric a suit is made from, just so you know. It has of late been commonly used incorrectly to refer to a collection of suits.
You're right that Tom Ford is definitely not something a proper English gentleman* would wear. He would go to a bespoke tailor, of course and not wear something so flashy. People attribute the "shrunken" look to designer Thom Browne.
The tab collars aren't fashion forward at all. They are very classic, if you're an American. They never saw much popularity in England, and they're much too fussy for Fleming.
I think (and hope) you are correct about the suits looking dating very quickly!
Oh come o Matt, you've almost become an apologist for Ford.
"Rs" and "Ss" have no relevance in tailoring of this type; Craig's suits will have been tailored to him and cut in the style and sizing FORD found appropriate for that type of suit. Any influence by the costume designer will have been an irrelevance. Huge Ford fan Craig would not wear a Ford suit in any way Ford himself had not intended it fit.
And however superb the quality- and I do not disagree - my original point was that, as you agree, similar quality can be obtained at a lower price; therefore at TF's prices they should be better quality still. But, of course, they are paying for the name.
I have a lot of respect for Tom Ford for a number of reasons. He doesn't follow the other trends in fashion and actually believes in proper tailoring. He believes in only the best quality in all aspects of his clothes and has no interest in cutting costs anywhere. This I've heard out of his mouth. He also doesn't follow the other designers in the "shrunken" look. His suits are tailored as close as possible without pulling. He sits down and the suit still look good. He does wide lapels when everyone else does narrow. He makes pleated trousers (proper English forward pleats at that) when nobody else will touch them. Tom Ford is probably the only fashion design's clothes I would consider wearing, though at his price it makes no sense to me. Ralph Lauren too, but he's so mainstream that I don't even think of him that way anymore and he probably has very little involvement these days with most of his clothes anyway.
I don't get the impression that Ford works directly with the Bond films. Do you know if he does? I would think he'd prefer to dress James Bond the way he dresses himself. He's a big fan of black knit ties too, and it's too bad we haven't seen those on Daniel Craig. I would assume the suits are made to measure. Because the suit has a model name it can't be bespoke. I didn't mean to say he was wearing an off the peg size, just more of what it looks like. Ford himself never wears suits with the "shrunken look" and I don't think this is the kind of look he goes for. I'm pretty sure that was Jany Temime's decision. Dressing Craig is her responsibly. And I think the vast difference in fit between Quantum of Solace and Skyfall shows that it's the costume designer who's responsible. Mantis compared the Regency (Qos) and Falconner (SF) models, and he said in the same size they measure exactly the same. That further tells me that Ford didn't intend for the Skyfall suits to fit the way they do. This is all speculation, but after all my research this is the impression I get.
*But in all fairness, a proper English gentleman is judged by the way he acts, not by what he wears.
Ford himself never wears suits with the "shrunken look" and I don't think this is the kind of look he goes for. I'm pretty sure that was Jany Temime's decision. Dressing Craig is her responsibly.
If i heard her properly, at 00:47 Jany Temime said:
"They wanted suits which were very near his body".
I assume she meant - producers and director, so perhaps it wasn't entirely her decision.
Ford himself never wears suits with the "shrunken look" and I don't think this is the kind of look he goes for. I'm pretty sure that was Jany Temime's decision. Dressing Craig is her responsibly.
If i heard her properly, at 00:47 Jany Temime said:
"They wanted suits which were very near his body".
I assume she meant - producers and director, so perhaps it wasn't entirely her decision.
Ford himself wears suits that are extremely near to his body, but they don't look like what's on Craig. Roger Moore's suit jackets from Angelo in the late 70's fit very closely. I'm a designer myself (though graphic designer), but we probably work in a similar way. The client tells me what they want and I have to figure out how to take what they want and do the best job I can. I do what I think is the best solution in solving the problem and present it to the client, backing up with evidence as to why it is the best solution. I don't know what else the producers or director asked for in the costume, but the extreme distance they went with the fit is unnecessary. They hired an established costume designer for a reason, not just to follow orders. The [what I think is a] poor execution is still on her.
Something else to clarify about my opinions on the suits, the fit is the only thing I have a problem with. Fit is more important than anything else, but I really like the styles, fabrics and the outfits overall. So there are good things I can say about the clothes as well.
I don't know what else the producers or director asked for in the costume, but the extreme distance they went with the fit is unnecessary. They hired an established costume designer for a reason, not just to follow orders. The [what I think is a] poor execution is still on her.
I agree. I was just saying that the filmmakers had their say in this, but yes, she's the one who's most responsible.
I also wish they'd stuck with the "Quantum fit".
I don't get the impression that Ford works directly with the Bond films. Do you know if he does? I would think he'd prefer to dress James Bond the way he dresses himself. He's a big fan of black knit ties too, and it's too bad we haven't seen those on Daniel Craig. I would assume the suits are made to measure. Because the suit has a model name it can't be bespoke. I didn't mean to say he was wearing an off the peg size, just more of what it looks like. Ford himself never wears suits with the "shrunken look" and I don't think this is the kind of look he goes for. I'm pretty sure that was Jany Temime's decision. Dressing Craig is her responsibly. And I think the vast difference in fit between Quantum of Solace and Skyfall shows that it's the costume designer who's responsible. Mantis compared the Regency (Qos) and Falconner (SF) models, and he said in the same size they measure exactly the same. That further tells me that Ford didn't intend for the Skyfall suits to fit the way they do. This is all speculation, but after all my research this is the impression I get.
*But in all fairness, a proper English gentleman is judged by the way he acts, not by what he wears.
I have no evidence that Ford personally works with EON, but I think it's an accepted fact that DC is a huge fan of his work and is therefore likely to be heavily influenced by Ford himself. Indeed, I'd venture that Craig has as much, if not more, influence over his wardrobe than the costume designer; it was he who brought in Ford for QOS, had Brioni dumped as a consequence (which, in my opinion, was the correct decision - the Ford fit of OQS being far better than the Brioni on Craig, the press launch suit and the Montenegro arrival suits being particularly disasterous).
I certainly wasn't aware that if a suit had a model name if couldn't then be reproduced as bespoke for a perfect fit; this seems rather absurd to me - though I'll bow to your superior knowledge.
And with regard to the Mantis' info, I hadn't seen it, though, again, I'm a little dubious; it's quite clear that the SKYFALL style Falconner is at least shorter than the QOS Regency and therefore I'd have thought there were other differences too.
Frankly, I can't imagine Craig wouldn't have had the same tailoring interaction with Fords for his suits as , as has been photographically documented, Connery had with Sinclair, Brosnan had with Brioni, and the others doubtless had with their tailors.
But at the very least, SOMEONE decided on Craig's tailored look for SKYFALL and knew the impact they were aiming for and would achieve, and that at the very least Craig and EON were delighted with that.
Personally, I'd have been happier with the return of the QOS cut, and I doubt history will be kind to this look, as others have said.
I have been told that the suits that Craig will wear in Skyfall are trendy and not what the propper English gentlemen would wear, particularly with a military background. Same goes for the shirt collars. I will leave where I got that bit of information un-attributed. I believe MattS echos the same sentiment. I will say I have seen some guys here in the U.S. wearing exceedingly small suits that looks very clownish. Think of Craig's Skyfall suitings but pushed to the nth degree. We're talking pants well above the ankles and sleeves high up on the forearm. What's up with that? Where did that come from?
Anyway, despite the Skyfall suiting choices, I hope it's a good movie. Unfortunately, the suits may place Skyfall in a particular period of time, rather than making it timeless.
Still, I'll bet the Skyfall style of suit will become quite popular. Unfortunately, you have to be in very good shape to carry it off.
DG
Suiting properly refers to the fabric a suit is made from, just so you know. It has of late been commonly used incorrectly to refer to a collection of suits.
You're right that Tom Ford is definitely not something a proper English gentleman* would wear. He would go to a bespoke tailor, of course and not wear something so flashy. People attribute the "shrunken" look to designer Thom Browne.
The tab collars aren't fashion forward at all. They are very classic, if you're an American. They never saw much popularity in England, and they're much too fussy for Fleming.
I think (and hope) you are correct about the suits looking dating very quickly!
I can't find fault with anything you've said here.
DG
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
I'm sorry but it looks freakish to me. I've actually seen people dressed this way on the mean streets. It makes me laugh. Could you imagine going to a business meeting dressed that way?
DG
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
I'm sorry but it looks freakish to me. I've actually seen people dressed this way on the mean streets. It makes me laugh. Could you imagine going to a business meeting dressed that way?
I'm sorry but it looks freakish to me. I've actually seen people dressed this way on the mean streets. It makes me laugh. Could you imagine going to a business meeting dressed that way?
DG
Totally agree, utterly awful.
If you were down and out and somebody offered you kit like that at a charity shop - and that's what it looks like, crap quality that has shrunk in the wash - you'd refuse to accept it.
Makes Craig's SKYFALL look seem tradionally elegant by comparison.
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I know I am playing to the Scottish stereotype here, and I do like my tailored accessories as much as the next man, but that's financially indecent!!
Its ironic, I was just saying in the "Should we see Bonds Pad?" thread that the idea that 007 should not be seen as too wealthy has already sailed. I underestimated my judgement on that one.
$2300?!
Are they platinum?
Fair coments, Matt, and that could, of course, apply to Ford suits too.
As you yourself have pointed out, there are more stylish, better fitted, higher quality suits that could have been used than Ford at a considerably lower price. But they would not have had the cache of Tom Ford, nor, necessarily, DC's approval.
Cubby's edict - put the money on the screen - still seems to apply with EON.
I agree 100% however if it sells........
To be honest I'm surprised his sunglasses are not marked up a few hundred more to fall in line with his other stuff however the quality of his sunglasses are pretty dire compared to others in that price range
It's got some great shots of the suits, tuxedo, & Bond in action. There's even a brief glimpse of the peacoat outfit.
Any other brands name dropped apart from Tom Ford? (You Tube blocked at work lol)
No, he's the only brand mentioned in the video.
But p0rn still is working ?
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Yes - my live feed streamed fine from the girls in Germany this morning!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
In Ford's defense, he uses the best quality cloth and construction and that sets him apart from other fashion designers who just care about design and cut costs where they can. Ford's quality is on par with a maker like Brioni, far above Yves St Laurent. Design-wise, he gets his inspiration from Savile Row, and I'd guess Edward Sexton in particular. The shrunken fit of Daniel Craig's suits in Skyfall is attributed to the costume designer, since Ford's suits were not intended to fit like that. See Ford himself sit down in one of his suits, and you'll see that the suit still looks sharp. That can't be the case for Craig's suits.
The fit has nothing to do with Tom Ford. The suit could fit Daniel Craig very well if the costume designer wanted to size up. It's like they put him in a 42S when a 44R would be a proper fit. I think Ford's Savile Row-inspired suits are very stylish and the quality is superb. They probably have better craftsmanship than a lot of Savile Row tailors. They are still overpriced, but the quality is there and the look could be if they got the fit right.
Anyway, despite the Skyfall suiting choices, I hope it's a good movie. Unfortunately, the suits may place Skyfall in a particular period of time, rather than making it timeless.
Still, I'll bet the Skyfall style of suit will become quite popular. Unfortunately, you have to be in very good shape to carry it off.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Oh come o Matt, you've almost become an apologist for Ford.
"Rs" and "Ss" have no relevance in tailoring of this type; Craig's suits will have been tailored to him and cut in the style and sizing FORD found appropriate for that type of suit. Any influence by the costume designer will have been an irrelevance. Huge Ford fan Craig would not wear a Ford suit in any way Ford himself had not intended it fit.
And however superb the quality- and I do not disagree - my original point was that, as you agree, similar quality can be obtained at a lower price; therefore at TF's prices they should be better quality still. But, of course, they are paying for the name.
I agree completely. Bond walks the fine line of "fashion and flavour of the moment" - Trouble is, some fashion tends simply look odd in retrospect - Sir Rogers 70's flared lapels and trouser hems spring to mind. However everyone is wearing it at the time. - M Q, General Golgol etc etc. Others styles are painfully impractical. - Esp this, since Bond is singled out by it. To me, this shrunken tapered style which every designer label is dancing to right now looks impractical as well as stupid. Having witnessed it here in Bristol, it really does look like the person is deliberately wearing a suit a size or two too small, as Matt S pointed out. - Something no reputable tailor would recommend, as it makes them look bad!
All the actors who have played Bond have had their own Tailoring style looks when they played the character. Some with a timeless quality (Connery, Brosnan to a degree) others are firmly cemented in the era the films were made!
Outside 40 people here, no one will ever, ever know.
Suiting properly refers to the fabric a suit is made from, just so you know. It has of late been commonly used incorrectly to refer to a collection of suits.
You're right that Tom Ford is definitely not something a proper English gentleman* would wear. He would go to a bespoke tailor, of course and not wear something so flashy. People attribute the "shrunken" look to designer Thom Browne.
The tab collars aren't fashion forward at all. They are very classic, if you're an American. They never saw much popularity in England, and they're much too fussy for Fleming.
I think (and hope) you are correct about the suits looking dating very quickly!
I have a lot of respect for Tom Ford for a number of reasons. He doesn't follow the other trends in fashion and actually believes in proper tailoring. He believes in only the best quality in all aspects of his clothes and has no interest in cutting costs anywhere. This I've heard out of his mouth. He also doesn't follow the other designers in the "shrunken" look. His suits are tailored as close as possible without pulling. He sits down and the suit still look good. He does wide lapels when everyone else does narrow. He makes pleated trousers (proper English forward pleats at that) when nobody else will touch them. Tom Ford is probably the only fashion design's clothes I would consider wearing, though at his price it makes no sense to me. Ralph Lauren too, but he's so mainstream that I don't even think of him that way anymore and he probably has very little involvement these days with most of his clothes anyway.
I don't get the impression that Ford works directly with the Bond films. Do you know if he does? I would think he'd prefer to dress James Bond the way he dresses himself. He's a big fan of black knit ties too, and it's too bad we haven't seen those on Daniel Craig. I would assume the suits are made to measure. Because the suit has a model name it can't be bespoke. I didn't mean to say he was wearing an off the peg size, just more of what it looks like. Ford himself never wears suits with the "shrunken look" and I don't think this is the kind of look he goes for. I'm pretty sure that was Jany Temime's decision. Dressing Craig is her responsibly. And I think the vast difference in fit between Quantum of Solace and Skyfall shows that it's the costume designer who's responsible. Mantis compared the Regency (Qos) and Falconner (SF) models, and he said in the same size they measure exactly the same. That further tells me that Ford didn't intend for the Skyfall suits to fit the way they do. This is all speculation, but after all my research this is the impression I get.
*But in all fairness, a proper English gentleman is judged by the way he acts, not by what he wears.
If i heard her properly, at 00:47 Jany Temime said:
"They wanted suits which were very near his body".
I assume she meant - producers and director, so perhaps it wasn't entirely her decision.
Ford himself wears suits that are extremely near to his body, but they don't look like what's on Craig. Roger Moore's suit jackets from Angelo in the late 70's fit very closely. I'm a designer myself (though graphic designer), but we probably work in a similar way. The client tells me what they want and I have to figure out how to take what they want and do the best job I can. I do what I think is the best solution in solving the problem and present it to the client, backing up with evidence as to why it is the best solution. I don't know what else the producers or director asked for in the costume, but the extreme distance they went with the fit is unnecessary. They hired an established costume designer for a reason, not just to follow orders. The [what I think is a] poor execution is still on her.
I agree. I was just saying that the filmmakers had their say in this, but yes, she's the one who's most responsible.
I also wish they'd stuck with the "Quantum fit".
I especially like the grey pick and pick suit, it's my personal favourite.
I have no evidence that Ford personally works with EON, but I think it's an accepted fact that DC is a huge fan of his work and is therefore likely to be heavily influenced by Ford himself. Indeed, I'd venture that Craig has as much, if not more, influence over his wardrobe than the costume designer; it was he who brought in Ford for QOS, had Brioni dumped as a consequence (which, in my opinion, was the correct decision - the Ford fit of OQS being far better than the Brioni on Craig, the press launch suit and the Montenegro arrival suits being particularly disasterous).
I certainly wasn't aware that if a suit had a model name if couldn't then be reproduced as bespoke for a perfect fit; this seems rather absurd to me - though I'll bow to your superior knowledge.
And with regard to the Mantis' info, I hadn't seen it, though, again, I'm a little dubious; it's quite clear that the SKYFALL style Falconner is at least shorter than the QOS Regency and therefore I'd have thought there were other differences too.
Frankly, I can't imagine Craig wouldn't have had the same tailoring interaction with Fords for his suits as , as has been photographically documented, Connery had with Sinclair, Brosnan had with Brioni, and the others doubtless had with their tailors.
But at the very least, SOMEONE decided on Craig's tailored look for SKYFALL and knew the impact they were aiming for and would achieve, and that at the very least Craig and EON were delighted with that.
Personally, I'd have been happier with the return of the QOS cut, and I doubt history will be kind to this look, as others have said.
I can't find fault with anything you've said here.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
http://nymag.com/daily/fashion/2009/03/thom_browne_says_hes_not_close.html
I'm sorry but it looks freakish to me. I've actually seen people dressed this way on the mean streets. It makes me laugh. Could you imagine going to a business meeting dressed that way?
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Totally agree, utterly awful.
If you were down and out and somebody offered you kit like that at a charity shop - and that's what it looks like, crap quality that has shrunk in the wash - you'd refuse to accept it.
Makes Craig's SKYFALL look seem tradionally elegant by comparison.