Counterfeit goods

toutbruntoutbrun Washington, USAPosts: 1,501MI6 Agent
I'm just wondering how far does the policy apply, because lately people trying to sell images they made (copied) from films were asked not to, but...

A LOT of people are re-selling Magnoli items (jackets, ties) on this website, which infringe both Tom Ford and EON's rights very clearly.

Are these allowed?

Thanks.
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  • PredatorPredator Posts: 790Chief of Staff
    We have no control of what people do and do not sell on their own sites or on ebay etc, and if people post links, we can only underline the fact that as a site, we wish to respect the intellectual property of other parties. We do not want this site to be a store front for illegally produced items.

    However, if someone has permission to include trademark or copyright material (and can show that they have it), we are happy for that material to be included. If not, then we would ask people to remove it (or remove it ourselves).
  • CrwilsnCrwilsn Posts: 65MI6 Agent
    toutbrun wrote:
    A LOT of people are re-selling Magnoli items (jackets, ties) on this website, which infringe both Tom Ford and EON's rights very clearly.

    Only if they sew a Tom Ford label in it. Just because an item of clothing looks like another, I can't see how that infringes on anyones copyright. Otherwise everyone selling Tom Ford TF108 sunglasses are infringing on Oliver Peoples.

    Images are another matter.....
  • oscar rubiooscar rubio Madrid (Spain)Posts: 286MI6 Agent
    I thought that that discussion had closed, and we had understood what he said Chief of Staff
  • texas007texas007 Houston, Texas 77041Posts: 2,356MI6 Agent
    watch this CNBC documentary

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/37824347

    Its very good and I like the conclusion - it is a demand problem, not the supply -{
  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    Members of the people's republic of china's police's anti-counterfiet's rapid reaction force's guard dog's best's mate discuss
    a) which replica is the best
    b) which replica could be exchanged for better fitting hats
    c) which of the watches is general chang's genuine rolex that they put down just 2 seconds ago, ah seat.

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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    texas007 wrote:
    watch this CNBC documentary

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/37824347

    Its very good and I like the conclusion - it is a demand problem, not the supply -{

    Hello Kan,

    I am not sure, if that's correct as it's the question of the hen and the egg.
    But if we assume for one moment, that it's solely a demand problem - you may understand my fallout with the guy who flogged the fake Dupont lighter here ;)
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  • texas007texas007 Houston, Texas 77041Posts: 2,356MI6 Agent
    No I don't think its like the chicken and egg stuff - that is a real complicated probelm that can drive people insane.

    We are talking simple stuffs here: Demand create Supply

    These kind of fakes always start with the needs - identified the product to be copied because it is in high demand with high price - then find a manufacturer/supplier (who are cheap) - China just happen to be the hub of world productions - low costs so that is where it happens. But the mastermind are always foreigner with foreign outlook - they know what is in demand - the Chinese have no clue on the demand, they are being used to manufacture cheap for foreign orders - those foreigner knows they can sell it becuase the demand is there - now who are buying?
  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    I see where both markus and kan are coming from, but i agree, if demand wasn't there, neither would the replica's.

    I blame the likes of rolex and omega, if they didn't make such nice watches for people to copy, there wouldn't be any demand for anything.

    I recommend everyone goes down the route of the trabant, make something so crap and ugly, that no-one will want to buy, or copy it! :s
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    :)) :)) :))

    I had the same thought, MG!

    I have a very good friend who works at the HK police - mostly fighting drug smuggling by sea there.

    As far as I have heard from him, Chinese Triads know very well about the demand for their stuff but I agree Kan:
    Organized crime is not an exclusive asian thing. Wasn't it "invented" over here in Europe ;)
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    ... on a side note: If I want to sell shares, it seems, that the prices are always going down. If I want to buy - they go up constantly until I buy them.

    So, I am evidently dominating the global market usually.
    As I am not on the side of the demand for fakes, I wonder, why that does not influence the supply of these :D
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  • danjaq_0ffdanjaq_0ff The SwampsPosts: 7,283MI6 Agent
    Ask the Pope :D

    personaly I have no problems with fakes, the only fake thing I would buy are watches, only because I could not afford or bring my self to have a real watch modified. If you buy and wear fake anything you are only fooling your self :D
  • texas007texas007 Houston, Texas 77041Posts: 2,356MI6 Agent
    Triads run gambling den, etc, the normal stuffs every country have.
    Then some foreigners came with these shiny watches with strange names to the Chinese like "Rolex" and "Omega" and ask them if they can reproduce these, the Chinese not wanting to loose face say sure - they made lots of them and cheap to impress the foreigners - this is so as not to loose face and impress the foreigner :-)
  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    I've got 3 fake omega, the first my sister bought me as a joke, the second was bought for modifying and the third was a christmas present from my sister's fella.

    I wear the 3rd watch sometimes, but like pete says, you're only fooling yourself at the end of it. If anyone ask if its real, i tell em its fake, but if it the real one then people never ask, bloody typical.
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  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    texas007 wrote:
    Triads run gambling den, etc, the normal stuffs every country have.
    Then some foreigners came with these shiny watches with strange names to the Chinese like "Rolex" and "Omega" and ask them if they can reproduce these, the Chinese not wanting to loose face say sure - they made lots of them and cheap to impress the foreigners - this is so as not to loose face and impress the foreigner :-)

    you sound like you got personal experience here kan :))

    seriously, did the chinese start making fakes just to save face and impress the foreign criminals.....

    or was it because they could make some serious coin out of it? hmmmm
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  • texas007texas007 Houston, Texas 77041Posts: 2,356MI6 Agent
    I was just joking on that.
    The point is these fakes are foreign creations - countries in the west - watch the documentary.
    The people buying and creating the demand needs to take responsibilities.
    The ones who make the most money are the people selling them in US, UK, Europe and the mastermind.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    minigeff wrote:
    but if it the real one then people never ask, bloody typical.

    story of your life, microjeff :D
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  • oscar rubiooscar rubio Madrid (Spain)Posts: 286MI6 Agent
    I think it is not the same as a brand or make a replica clothes garment similar to james bond, but nowhere try to cheat that is the official mark.
    In the fakes if fools, because they use a trademark that is not theirs
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    I for my part don't see any sense in Magnoli's items.

    If I want to have Bond's Poloshirt/suit/tie etc, I want the real thing.

    Ian Fleming wrote a lot about the quality of seaisland cotton, but you have to feel this quality as an example.

    It does not make sense to produce/buy an item, that looks similar, but does not have the same material/craftmanship like the original.

    And because of this, it's similar like the "merits" of fake watches: They may look like the real deal, but they definitely are not. So you are fooling yourself again - regardless if there is a faked logo inside or not.

    My 2 cents...
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  • VoituerVoituer Posts: 483MI6 Agent
    I have a Ferrari 360 Modena. I have taken all the original badges off and replaced them with Toyota and MR2 - it drives the replica bridgade nuts
  • nms75nms75 United KingdomPosts: 1,233MI6 Agent
    Voituer wrote:
    I have a Ferrari 360 Modena. I have taken all the original badges off and replaced them with Toyota and MR2 - it drives the replica bridgade nuts

    Likewise, I have an Aston Martin but replaced the badges with Fiat ones :v

    I just hope Petesleftball is not a fake :o
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  • danjaq_0ffdanjaq_0ff The SwampsPosts: 7,283MI6 Agent
    its not fake, just hangs a little lower :D
  • oscar rubiooscar rubio Madrid (Spain)Posts: 286MI6 Agent
    Ian Flemign never said that James Bond wore clothes Tom Ford, and now it does, Ian Fleming wrote that used moccasins shoes without laces, now used
  • toutbruntoutbrun Washington, USAPosts: 1,501MI6 Agent
    Ian Flemign never said that James Bond wore clothes Tom Ford, and now it does, Ian Fleming wrote that used moccasins shoes without laces, now used

    I think Bondtoys meant the quality of Tom Ford v. the quality of Magnoli, not just the tag.
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  • danjaq_0ff wrote:
    its not fake, just hangs a little lower :D

    I can confirm that :D
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    :D Pete, you'd better get back control over your testicles :))
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  • danjaq_0ffdanjaq_0ff The SwampsPosts: 7,283MI6 Agent
    Wan Hung Lowe :D
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