Do you mean the part where he is inside a car? Not sure if he's pulling up to M's pad there... But to me that could also be the interior of the Jaguar...
sorry, my bad, i think its the US trailer where you see the front of the car and it looks more jag XC to me..
Yeah I was just thinking maybe a flashback or something, but now I've stopped to think about it, vesper wore the red dress when she died, not when they sailed into Venice, the boats different and Craig looks older.
Still, she's got a striking resemblance all the same IMO.
Do you mean the part where he is inside a car? Not sure if he's pulling up to M's pad there... But to me that could also be the interior of the Jaguar...
A Jaguar XJL does pull up to the kerbside at night in the rain, but the shot where he's "activating" his personalised PPK is in a Mercedes (pause it at 1:10), which looks like it's in Shanghai. It's a 2010 Mercedes C-Class:
and go to around 1:16, the girl with bond on the sailing boat...... vesper?!
I know it doesn't look much like her but I am pretty certain that is Severine (Berenice Marlohe). They are on board a yacht sailing to meet her employer, Raoul Silva. Marlohe and Daniel Craig were both photographed on the yacht in between takes.
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Its a Mercedes S-Class; I have a S63 AMG and the steering wheel you see in the scene of the trailer is exactly the same as mine; only mine is black steering wheel with piano lacquer wood as opposed to the lighter-coloured steering wheel with burr-walnut trim.
Furthermore, the scene where Bond is "testing" his PPK; the gun is pointing to the door and again. The switchgear is exactly the same as mine; chrome door handle which you can see left of the gun, the door locks and the buttons for the seat adjustment are obscured by the barrel and the right of the gun are the memory buttons for the drivers seat.
The C-Class does not feature switchgear as shown on the trailer and the stitching on the S-Class steering wheel is different to the C-Class.
Do you mean the part where he is inside a car? Not sure if he's pulling up to M's pad there... But to me that could also be the interior of the Jaguar...
A Jaguar XJL does pull up to the kerbside at night in the rain, but the shot where he's "activating" his personalised PPK is in a Mercedes (pause it at 1:10), which looks like it's in Shanghai. It's a 2010 Mercedes C-Class:
and go to around 1:16, the girl with bond on the sailing boat...... vesper?!
I know it doesn't look much like her but I am pretty certain that is Severine (Berenice Marlohe). They are on board a yacht sailing to meet her employer, Raoul Silva. Marlohe and Daniel Craig were both photographed on the yacht in between takes.
Perhaps they are sailing from Shanghai to Macao? The GQ interview says Severine is in those two places and in the South China Sea.
For the record, I'm 58 years of age and I, for one, am thrilled with the direction the Bond films have taken beginning with Craig in Casino Royal. I was also a fan of the way things were going when Dalton stepped in. So let's not make this an age thing ('oh they're just trying to appeal to the youngsters with the new Bourne-like Bond") or some such nonsense. This is the hard-edged, more reality-based Bond that I have been hoping for since I first read Casino Royale about 30 years ago. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the lighter touch and the fantasical elements that made their way into the Connery Bonds, but honestly a lot of that had to do with the fact that Connery was such an appealing personification of 007. Looks aside, Craig is the type of world-weary, conflicted, and yes, brutal, chap that I envisioned from Fleming's novels and from the trailers Skyfall seems to lean more in that direction. I hope the movie lives up to those expectations.
I take your point, but for me the films have always had a separate life to the novels. If the novels were filmed page by page, I don’t think they would make good “Bond films”. The Bond films are a totally separate entity than the books, for me, anyway.
I disagree. I am also in my fifties and have seen all the films in the theaters. Coming from a background that includes indie filmaking, it's not that you cant film any novel page by page to get it on screen intact, it's a matter of compressing and editing it well enough that the major scenes are left in and the best dialogue left in that says the most with the least amount of words. It's also a matter of not jettising the author's original thoughts on their characters and the situations they place them in. The problem with the film series after FRWL was that the producers realized they had a marketing goldmine, and when Fleming died they could manipulate it anyway they wanted in order to pump up the boxoffice. Tie that in with a different director on many of the films and (no matter who's given writing credits) a script ruled by committee, and your given birth to a film series that was more about $$$ than about keeping Fleming's character intact. Those are the largest reasons the films are so different from the novels - not because the novels could not be transferred closely - but because the artistic gravitas it would take to do it was outweighed by the bottom line. The books could easily be done with merit if it were done the way Sherlock Holmes Granada series had been done.
Here's a new official editing of the trailer, it's callled IMAX BRANDED on the Sony EPK. There's some new footage, new music in the begining and is the same as the DUTCH trailer.
I take your point, but for me the films have always had a separate life to the novels. If the novels were filmed page by page, I don’t think they would make good “Bond films”. The Bond films are a totally separate entity than the books, for me, anyway.
I disagree. I am also in my fifties and have seen all the films in the theaters. Coming from a background that includes indie filmaking, it's not that you cant film any novel page by page to get it on screen intact, it's a matter of compressing and editing it well enough that the major scenes are left in and the best dialogue left in that says the most with the least amount of words. It's also a matter of not jettising the author's original thoughts on their characters and the situations they place them in. The problem with the film series after FRWL was that the producers realized they had a marketing goldmine, and when Fleming died they could manipulate it anyway they wanted in order to pump up the boxoffice. Tie that in with a different director on many of the films and (no matter who's given writing credits) a script ruled by committee, and your given birth to a film series that was more about $$$ than about keeping Fleming's character intact. Those are the largest reasons the films are so different from the novels - not because the novels could not be transferred closely - but because the artistic gravitas it would take to do it was outweighed by the bottom line. The books could easily be done with merit if it were done the way Sherlock Holmes Granada series had been done.
I agree with everything you say. The novels could be filmed, more or less, as written, set in their original period, and, now that I come to think of it, they probably would be good, if not as exciting to watch as the best of the Eon ones.
My point, though, is that I like the way the films have taken on a life of their own. I like the escapism, glamour and flippancy that the Connery period excelled in. It got a bit silly with the Moore period, I admit, though some of those films I liked.
For me, the novels and films are two separate and distinct entities that shouldn’t be compared. If the films had closely followed the novels, like you mention they could have, had Fleming not died, then any comparison between the films and the novels would be valid.
I enjoy the novels for different reasons than I enjoy the films. I like the novels because of the way Fleming describes Bond’s world and his lifestyle. I like the films because they portray Bond as more heroic, less obviously British, and almost invincible; fighting universal evils, similar to those in classical Greek mythology.
I guess it ultimately depends on which novels we're talking about. For example, I don't think a word-for-word adaptation of The Spy Who Loved Me would make a good movie. I feel the same way about Diamonds Are Forever. But I could be wrong, and perhaps with the right director and the right screenwriter, literal translations of these books to the screen could turn out to be good films. Who knows, but at this point I'm not convinced.
I take your point, but for me the films have always had a separate life to the novels. If the novels were filmed page by page, I don’t think they would make good “Bond films”. The Bond films are a totally separate entity than the books, for me, anyway.
I disagree. I am also in my fifties and have seen all the films in the theaters. Coming from a background that includes indie filmaking, it's not that you cant film any novel page by page to get it on screen intact, it's a matter of compressing and editing it well enough that the major scenes are left in and the best dialogue left in that says the most with the least amount of words. It's also a matter of not jettising the author's original thoughts on their characters and the situations they place them in. The problem with the film series after FRWL was that the producers realized they had a marketing goldmine, and when Fleming died they could manipulate it anyway they wanted in order to pump up the boxoffice. Tie that in with a different director on many of the films and (no matter who's given writing credits) a script ruled by committee, and your given birth to a film series that was more about $$$ than about keeping Fleming's character intact. Those are the largest reasons the films are so different from the novels - not because the novels could not be transferred closely - but because the artistic gravitas it would take to do it was outweighed by the bottom line. The books could easily be done with merit if it were done the way Sherlock Holmes Granada series had been done.
Here's a new official editing of the trailer, it's callled IMAX BRANDED on the Sony EPK. There's some new footage, new music in the begining and is the same as the DUTCH trailer.
I am so looking forward to Skyfall and I'm glad the trailer doesn't contain a lot of spoilers! By the way, will the 'official' abbreviation be SF?
I'm not sure every novel would make a great film, at least not in a contemporary setting. I don't think Bond could call Oddjob 'ape' for instance (and rightly so!) and the 'botanic encyclopedia' part in YOLT might be a bit long and boring for a movie. YOLT was the second Bond novel I read, in Dutch, while I was on holiday. Because I didn't bring enough books I read it twice during that same 3 week holiday but the second time I skipped that entire part. As I have stated before however, I do think the novels contain a lot of unused parts that I'd love to see in the next movies. Who knows, I might get to see some of those scenes in a few months!
And (apologies if someone has pointed this out already), but it's clear that the film is intended partly as a 50th anniversary homage, with nods to old films and at least one of the books.
I count six references in the trailier alone:
[list=*]
[*]M sends a rehabilitated Bond to face a deadly adversary, knowing that he'll either prove himself or die (The Man With The Golden Gun novel)[/*]
[*]The "not like him" moment at 1:20 (In The World Is Not Enough, Cigar Girl says almost exactly the same thing)[/*]
[*]The long shot of the yacht and the little islands (Man With The Golden Gun)[/*]
[*]An explosion ripping through the MI6 building (The World Is Not Enough)[/*]
[*]The quartermaster / armourer issuing 007 with a new PPK (Doctor No)[/*]
[*]And it's a signature gun! Licence To Kill[/*]
[/list]
Will be very intrigued to see how it turns out. Quite promising.
These may not be direct references but certainly echoes of past films. When Bond grabs the wheel of the Defender from Eve, it reminds me of Bond grabbing the wheel of the 2CV from Melina Havelock in For Your Eyes Only. Bond and Severine at the casino, reminds me of Bond and Onatopp at the casino in Goldeneye.
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Just my opinion, but I don't think many of these are direct refrences as in DAD. Rather
(We being slightly obsessive over the Bond Films) spot every Little Point. )
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Just my opinion, but I don't think many of these are direct refrences as in DAD. Rather
(We being slightly obsessive over the Bond Films) spot every Little Point. )
I think you’re right. I would be very surprised if the myriad of references pointed out in this thread were intentional. I don’t think the screenwriters Eon are using are dedicated Bond fans like the people in this thread are. I’m sure the most obvious references are intended, though.
By the way, there hasn’t been a good Bond opening credit song since “Licence to Kill”, in my view; and I can’t see "Skyfall" breaking this pattern. The Brosnan era had some of the worst songs in the series: almost parodies of the songs from the Shirley Bassey eras.
there hasn’t been a good Bond opening credit song since “Licence to Kill”, in my view; and I can’t see "Skyfall" breaking this pattern. And the Brosnan era had some of the worst songs in the series, which were almost parodies of the songs from the Shirley Bassey eras.
I mostly agree. Although I thought 'you know my name' was ok...
Goldeneye - Not a favourite, but at least iconic
TND and TWINE - Same as above
DAD - God damn awful
CR (You Know My Name) - Not bad. Not great, but still ok...
QOS (Another Way To Die) - Oh dear god, can somebody kill me now? (Even worse than DAD)
there hasn’t been a good Bond opening credit song since “Licence to Kill”, in my view; and I can’t see "Skyfall" breaking this pattern. And the Brosnan era had some of the worst songs in the series, which were almost parodies of the songs from the Shirley Bassey eras.
I mostly agree. Although I thought 'you know my name' was ok...
Goldeneye - Not a favourite, but at least iconic
TND and TWINE - Same as above
DAD - God damn awful
CR (You Know My Name) - Not bad. Not great, but still ok...
QOS (Another Way To Die) - Oh dear god, can somebody kill me now? (Even worse than DAD)
Yes, “You Know My Name” was an improvement. I think if it had been sung by another singer, though, it would have been better. I liked the way Arnold used melodic motifs from it in his score, as Barry would have.
The CR soundtrack is by far the best of recent times - Chris Cornell did a great job. The Quantum sound was okay, it was the singing that killed it; try listening to the instrumental.
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Just my opinion, but I don't think many of these are direct refrences as in DAD. Rather
(We being slightly obsessive over the Bond Films) spot every Little Point. )
OK. We'll have to disagree on that one - I don't doubt at all that they are intended as knowing nods to the older films and novels. I couldn't have found a reference like one of those in a trailer for the last two for example, but there are six or seven fairly obvious references to the past in that one.
I think after so many Bond movies and novels it would be hard not to find som things that reminds us of other things. But I agree Bond`s "death" and the imprinted gun are very distinctive and has t be referenses to YOLT and LTK.
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sorry, my bad, i think its the US trailer where you see the front of the car and it looks more jag XC to me..
also, take a look here;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgr2syY_OU4
and go to around 1:16, the girl with bond on the sailing boat...... vesper?!
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Eon are done with the CR/QoS storyline.
Still, she's got a striking resemblance all the same IMO.
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I know it doesn't look much like her but I am pretty certain that is Severine (Berenice Marlohe). They are on board a yacht sailing to meet her employer, Raoul Silva. Marlohe and Daniel Craig were both photographed on the yacht in between takes.
Its a Mercedes S-Class; I have a S63 AMG and the steering wheel you see in the scene of the trailer is exactly the same as mine; only mine is black steering wheel with piano lacquer wood as opposed to the lighter-coloured steering wheel with burr-walnut trim.
Furthermore, the scene where Bond is "testing" his PPK; the gun is pointing to the door and again. The switchgear is exactly the same as mine; chrome door handle which you can see left of the gun, the door locks and the buttons for the seat adjustment are obscured by the barrel and the right of the gun are the memory buttons for the drivers seat.
The C-Class does not feature switchgear as shown on the trailer and the stitching on the S-Class steering wheel is different to the C-Class.
Perhaps they are sailing from Shanghai to Macao? The GQ interview says Severine is in those two places and in the South China Sea.
I disagree. I am also in my fifties and have seen all the films in the theaters. Coming from a background that includes indie filmaking, it's not that you cant film any novel page by page to get it on screen intact, it's a matter of compressing and editing it well enough that the major scenes are left in and the best dialogue left in that says the most with the least amount of words. It's also a matter of not jettising the author's original thoughts on their characters and the situations they place them in. The problem with the film series after FRWL was that the producers realized they had a marketing goldmine, and when Fleming died they could manipulate it anyway they wanted in order to pump up the boxoffice. Tie that in with a different director on many of the films and (no matter who's given writing credits) a script ruled by committee, and your given birth to a film series that was more about $$$ than about keeping Fleming's character intact. Those are the largest reasons the films are so different from the novels - not because the novels could not be transferred closely - but because the artistic gravitas it would take to do it was outweighed by the bottom line. The books could easily be done with merit if it were done the way Sherlock Holmes Granada series had been done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwxm3pPGqfs
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I agree with everything you say. The novels could be filmed, more or less, as written, set in their original period, and, now that I come to think of it, they probably would be good, if not as exciting to watch as the best of the Eon ones.
My point, though, is that I like the way the films have taken on a life of their own. I like the escapism, glamour and flippancy that the Connery period excelled in. It got a bit silly with the Moore period, I admit, though some of those films I liked.
For me, the novels and films are two separate and distinct entities that shouldn’t be compared. If the films had closely followed the novels, like you mention they could have, had Fleming not died, then any comparison between the films and the novels would be valid.
I enjoy the novels for different reasons than I enjoy the films. I like the novels because of the way Fleming describes Bond’s world and his lifestyle. I like the films because they portray Bond as more heroic, less obviously British, and almost invincible; fighting universal evils, similar to those in classical Greek mythology.
(Nice car, by the way! -{ )
http://youtu.be/Uwxm3pPGqfs
Yep. I have posted above:
I'm not sure every novel would make a great film, at least not in a contemporary setting. I don't think Bond could call Oddjob 'ape' for instance (and rightly so!) and the 'botanic encyclopedia' part in YOLT might be a bit long and boring for a movie. YOLT was the second Bond novel I read, in Dutch, while I was on holiday. Because I didn't bring enough books I read it twice during that same 3 week holiday but the second time I skipped that entire part. As I have stated before however, I do think the novels contain a lot of unused parts that I'd love to see in the next movies. Who knows, I might get to see some of those scenes in a few months!
Just watched the trailer here:
http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-editors/action-packed-skyfall-trailer-shows-james-bond-shot-094401749.html
And (apologies if someone has pointed this out already), but it's clear that the film is intended partly as a 50th anniversary homage, with nods to old films and at least one of the books.
I count six references in the trailier alone:
[list=*]
[*]M sends a rehabilitated Bond to face a deadly adversary, knowing that he'll either prove himself or die (The Man With The Golden Gun novel)[/*]
[*]The "not like him" moment at 1:20 (In The World Is Not Enough, Cigar Girl says almost exactly the same thing)[/*]
[*]The long shot of the yacht and the little islands (Man With The Golden Gun)[/*]
[*]An explosion ripping through the MI6 building (The World Is Not Enough)[/*]
[*]The quartermaster / armourer issuing 007 with a new PPK (Doctor No)[/*]
[*]And it's a signature gun! Licence To Kill[/*]
[/list]
Will be very intrigued to see how it turns out. Quite promising.
[list=*]
[*]M writes 007's obituary, then he comes back from the dead (Fleming's You Only Live Twice)[/*]
[/list]
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Although impressed by the trailers, I am continuing to er on the side of caution till I see the film itself...
(We being slightly obsessive over the Bond Films) spot every Little Point.
I think you’re right. I would be very surprised if the myriad of references pointed out in this thread were intentional. I don’t think the screenwriters Eon are using are dedicated Bond fans like the people in this thread are. I’m sure the most obvious references are intended, though.
By the way, there hasn’t been a good Bond opening credit song since “Licence to Kill”, in my view; and I can’t see "Skyfall" breaking this pattern. The Brosnan era had some of the worst songs in the series: almost parodies of the songs from the Shirley Bassey eras.
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
I mostly agree. Although I thought 'you know my name' was ok...
Goldeneye - Not a favourite, but at least iconic
TND and TWINE - Same as above
DAD - God damn awful
CR (You Know My Name) - Not bad. Not great, but still ok...
QOS (Another Way To Die) - Oh dear god, can somebody kill me now? (Even worse than DAD)
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
Yes, “You Know My Name” was an improvement. I think if it had been sung by another singer, though, it would have been better. I liked the way Arnold used melodic motifs from it in his score, as Barry would have.
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BTW, if you (think) you have anything better than that...I'd love to hear it -{
I thought the EXACT same thing (not that it was Vesper) but that she looks strikingly similar...and I'm sure that isn't a coincidence!
OK. We'll have to disagree on that one - I don't doubt at all that they are intended as knowing nods to the older films and novels. I couldn't have found a reference like one of those in a trailer for the last two for example, but there are six or seven fairly obvious references to the past in that one.