unbelievable? which bit, the size of the calibre, the fact non of the goons could hold the damn thing properly, the fact non of them are wearing any eye protection, or that the gun used in the clip isn't an Anderson Wheeler? )
i think an eye protection would not help...at these recoil...
) i dont think any eye protection is there to stop bullets or a rifle slamming into your head nico, its there to stop debris etc going in ya eyes and pretty much as sensible as ear protection.
as for the rifle, any of them could fire it if they were leaning into the shot. still, its got one hell of a kick to it. i think the first guy isn't gonna be able to flag a cab for a month after that )
Relative to "Skyfall", I wonder if any villains are gonna meet their end from the muzzle of that cannon? That elephant rifle could be part of some potential classic Bond moments -{ Should be interesting how that is handled...gonna need some good editing and camera angles, etc to be able to capture the destructive impact to a human while maintaining a PG-13 rating. FRWL had the attache case, Goldfinger the Aston, TB the jet pack and underwater gadgets, YOLT had "Nellie" and "Skyfall" will have "the elephant gun" B-) -{
Maybe its used against the Silva's Merlin helicopter? I know that in the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan the Mujahideen used similar weapons against helicopters.
Maybe its used against the Silva's Merlin helicopter? I know that in the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan the Mujahideen used similar weapons against helicopters.
I still think it is a double barrel shotgun or at least a smaller cal. Anderson Wheeler rifle. I have shot a double rifle in 500 nitro and from viewing the trailer an unhealthy number of times not even Bond could shoot it from the hip.
I still think it is a double barrel shotgun or at least a smaller cal. Anderson Wheeler rifle. I have shot a double rifle in 500 nitro and from viewing the trailer an unhealthy number of times not even Bond could shoot it from the hip.
Of course you can't shoot it from the hip without risking your own life, but it's a movie and anything can happy on the silver screen. But I'm with you on this one, I can't see why James Bond would need a big game hunters rifle in the location where he is. A shotgun would make more sense.
Firstly: on the official Anderson Wheeler facebook page it's stated, that Bond is using the 500 NX Double Rifle. Secondly: why is he using it - well, I guess, like someone said here before, Bond's using everything in the fight againts Silva, and the rifle could belong to his father for example, as it was his home and even the place of birth (in the Casino Royale Dossier it was stated, that Andrew Bond was born in Glencoe). I don't really care anyway about why Bond is shooting the rifle from his hip in the trailer, the thing that bothers me are the bullet holes in the window of the Aston DB5
Firstly: on the official Anderson Wheeler facebook page it's stated, that Bond is using the 500 NX Double Rifle. Secondly: why is he using it - well, I guess, like someone said here before, Bond's using everything in the fight againts Silva, and the rifle could belong to his father for example, as it was his home and even the place of birth (in the Casino Royale Dossier it was stated, that Andrew Bond was born in Glencoe). I don't really care anyway about why Bond is shooting the rifle from his hip in the trailer, the thing that bothers me are the bullet holes in the window of the Aston DB5
I recall reading somewhere (probably on AJB) about the use of "antique" firearms in the film. In the trailers it is obvious that Silva is seen shooting some sort of flintlock type pistol. I'm guessing the Anderson Wheeler is something that was stashed at the ancestral home....could have belonged to Bond's uncle or father.
I wouldn't fret about Bonds ability to handle the Anderson Wheeler, he is James Bond not Austin Powers
Anderson Wheeler are a UK based gun, art and clothing shop. The company sells shotguns, bolt action and double rifles which are made in France, Germany and Spain and branded as Anderson Wheeler, this includes the best and field grade guns. The gun provided to the armourer for use in the latest James Bond movie Sky Fall, was made in France and as far as I am aware the company has never employed an English gunmaker.
I had the opportunity a few years ago to fire a double barrel rifle, it was a 450 Nitro Express, still very formidable. It kicked like a mule, my right shoulder went numb after the second shot. However, it blasted two holes completely through a V-8 engine block at about a 100 yards.
Some early anti-tank guns in the Great War were just elephant guns with hardened bullets to defeat the light steel armour. Elephant guns were also used by some British and Commonwealth snipers because of their ability to really reach out and touch someone.
Just because something is old does not make it less lethal.
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I love the idea of Bond using whatever he can get his hands on. The Anderson Wheeler 500 Nitro Express is not the first time Bond has used an old school type heavy duty weapon....remember Roger Moore getting all "Dirty Harry" with a .44 Magnum in LALD? -{
I love the idea of Bond using whatever he can get his hands on. The Anderson Wheeler 500 Nitro Express is not the first time Bond has used an old school type heavy duty weapon....remember Roger Moore getting all "Dirty Harry" with a .44 Magnum in LALD? -{
.44 magnum? Pffft, T54 main battle tank more like!
I love the idea of Bond using whatever he can get his hands on. The Anderson Wheeler 500 Nitro Express is not the first time Bond has used an old school type heavy duty weapon....remember Roger Moore getting all "Dirty Harry" with a .44 Magnum in LALD? -{
.44 magnum? Pffft, T54 main battle tank more like!
.44 Magnum is the cartridge, Smith & Wesson model 29 S2 with a 6.5" barrel to be precise
Anderson Wheeler? If this was really a Bond family heirloom, I'd be expecting a Purdey, a Boss & Co. (which I've fired in .500 NE...although it was almost completely devoid of finish, it was a heck of a shooter), a W.J. Jeffrey, an E.J. Churchill, a Rigby, or, quite possibly given its extreme name recognition, a Holland & Holland. If you really wanted an affordable heirloom-type gun, you could go with R.B. Rodda & Co. of Calcutta but then, you wouldn't get paid for product placement since they've been out of business since the end of the Raj.
EDIT: The guys firing the gun in the youtube vid are NOT firing a .500 Nitro Express caliber rifle. That's a .577 Tyrannosaur being fired from an A-Square Hannibal bolt-action rifle.
EDIT AGAIN: "Some early anti-tank guns in the Great War were just elephant guns with hardened bullets to defeat the light steel armour."
IIRC, the bullets were solid steel and used against bunkers by the British. Anti-tank rifles were only really used by the Germans, who tried several different calibers (everything from British double rifles to bolt-action 9x57 safari rifles) with solid steel before settling on the famous Tank Gewehr 1918 (in .51 caliber, though John Browning got his hands on it and necked it down to .50 to come up with the .50 BMG). Not only that, but the British Army actually considered using Martini-Henrys with exploding bullets to take down the hydrogen-filled observation balloons and even low-flying Zeppelins. It sounds like madness, but I've seen the boxes of ammo.
Anderson Wheeler? If this was really a Bond family heirloom, I'd be expecting a Purdey, a Boss & Co. (which I've fired in .500 NE...although it was almost completely devoid of finish, it was a heck of a shooter), a W.J. Jeffrey, an E.J. Churchill, a Rigby, or, quite possibly given its extreme name recognition, a Holland & Holland. If you really wanted an affordable heirloom-type gun, you could go with R.B. Rodda & Co. of Calcutta but then, you wouldn't get paid for product placement since they've been out of business since the end of the Raj.
EDIT: The guys firing the gun in the youtube vid are NOT firing a .500 Nitro Express caliber rifle. That's a .577 Tyrannosaur being fired from an A-Square Hannibal bolt-action rifle.
EDIT AGAIN: "Some early anti-tank guns in the Great War were just elephant guns with hardened bullets to defeat the light steel armour."
IIRC, the bullets were solid steel and used against bunkers by the British. Anti-tank rifles were only really used by the Germans, who tried several different calibers (everything from British double rifles to bolt-action 9x57 safari rifles) with solid steel before settling on the famous Tank Gewehr 1918 (in .51 caliber, though John Browning got his hands on it and necked it down to .50 to come up with the .50 BMG). Not only that, but the British Army actually considered using Martini-Henrys with exploding bullets to take down the hydrogen-filled observation balloons and even low-flying Zeppelins. It sounds like madness, but I've seen the boxes of ammo.
I always find the gun information very interesting. My knowledge of firearms is relatively rudimentary....alot of it comes from my father's anecdotes of firing different weapons during WWII.
I would think that the spectacle of Bond using what most people would consider an "elephant gun" will be quite entertaining and give the film some uniqueness that has been missing from most "action" films these days...IMO it's the kind of unusual out of the box stuff that used to make a Bond film a Bond film.
IIRC, the bullets were solid steel and used against bunkers by the British. Anti-tank rifles were only really used by the Germans, who tried several different calibers (everything from British double rifles to bolt-action 9x57 safari rifles) with solid steel before settling on the famous Tank Gewehr 1918 (in .51 caliber, though John Browning got his hands on it and necked it down to .50 to come up with the .50 BMG). Not only that, but the British Army actually considered using Martini-Henrys with exploding bullets to take down the hydrogen-filled observation balloons and even low-flying Zeppelins. It sounds like madness, but I've seen the boxes of ammo.
The Boys ATR was developed in 1936 by Captain H.C. Boys under the name Stanchion Anti-Tank Rifle, well after World War I had ended. It entered service in November (I think) 1937, though, so we're really looking at a WWII weapon, not a WWI weapon. As a matter of fact, aside from the Tank Gewehr 1918, I don't believe there was a WWI anti-tank rifle actually built for the purpose.
EDIT: In fact, you actually had an astonishing number of WWII anti-tank rifles aside from the Boys...for example, the PTRS and PTRD in the USSR, the Italians had one the name of which I cannot recall (shame on me!) and the Finns had probably the best design of the War: the Lahti 20mm, which really COULD do serious damage to Soviet armored cars and was used to punch through the armor surrounding the driver of a BA-10 or BA-20 Armored Car, both of which were in common use during the Winter War. The US Marines also found a use for the Boys once the British had given up on it: shooting rocks in the Pacific that the Japanese liked hiding behind. The bullet may not have felled too many Panzers, but it sure turned the rocks to splinters.
The Boys ATR was developed in 1936 by Captain H.C. Boys under the name Stanchion Anti-Tank Rifle, well after World War I had ended. It entered service in November (I think) 1937, though, so we're really looking at a WWII weapon, not a WWI weapon. As a matter of fact, aside from the Tank Gewehr 1918, I don't believe there was a WWI anti-tank rifle actually built for the purpose.
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unbelievable? which bit, the size of the calibre, the fact non of the goons could hold the damn thing properly, the fact non of them are wearing any eye protection, or that the gun used in the clip isn't an Anderson Wheeler?
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as for the rifle, any of them could fire it if they were leaning into the shot. still, its got one hell of a kick to it. i think the first guy isn't gonna be able to flag a cab for a month after that
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A little throwback to FRWL?
Of course you can't shoot it from the hip without risking your own life, but it's a movie and anything can happy on the silver screen. But I'm with you on this one, I can't see why James Bond would need a big game hunters rifle in the location where he is. A shotgun would make more sense.
I recall reading somewhere (probably on AJB) about the use of "antique" firearms in the film. In the trailers it is obvious that Silva is seen shooting some sort of flintlock type pistol. I'm guessing the Anderson Wheeler is something that was stashed at the ancestral home....could have belonged to Bond's uncle or father.
I wouldn't fret about Bonds ability to handle the Anderson Wheeler, he is James Bond not Austin Powers
Some early anti-tank guns in the Great War were just elephant guns with hardened bullets to defeat the light steel armour. Elephant guns were also used by some British and Commonwealth snipers because of their ability to really reach out and touch someone.
Just because something is old does not make it less lethal.
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.44 magnum? Pffft, T54 main battle tank more like!
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.44 Magnum is the cartridge, Smith & Wesson model 29 S2 with a 6.5" barrel to be precise
EDIT: The guys firing the gun in the youtube vid are NOT firing a .500 Nitro Express caliber rifle. That's a .577 Tyrannosaur being fired from an A-Square Hannibal bolt-action rifle.
EDIT AGAIN: "Some early anti-tank guns in the Great War were just elephant guns with hardened bullets to defeat the light steel armour."
IIRC, the bullets were solid steel and used against bunkers by the British. Anti-tank rifles were only really used by the Germans, who tried several different calibers (everything from British double rifles to bolt-action 9x57 safari rifles) with solid steel before settling on the famous Tank Gewehr 1918 (in .51 caliber, though John Browning got his hands on it and necked it down to .50 to come up with the .50 BMG). Not only that, but the British Army actually considered using Martini-Henrys with exploding bullets to take down the hydrogen-filled observation balloons and even low-flying Zeppelins. It sounds like madness, but I've seen the boxes of ammo.
I always find the gun information very interesting. My knowledge of firearms is relatively rudimentary....alot of it comes from my father's anecdotes of firing different weapons during WWII.
I would think that the spectacle of Bond using what most people would consider an "elephant gun" will be quite entertaining and give the film some uniqueness that has been missing from most "action" films these days...IMO it's the kind of unusual out of the box stuff that used to make a Bond film a Bond film.
What about the boyes rifle then?
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EDIT: In fact, you actually had an astonishing number of WWII anti-tank rifles aside from the Boys...for example, the PTRS and PTRD in the USSR, the Italians had one the name of which I cannot recall (shame on me!) and the Finns had probably the best design of the War: the Lahti 20mm, which really COULD do serious damage to Soviet armored cars and was used to punch through the armor surrounding the driver of a BA-10 or BA-20 Armored Car, both of which were in common use during the Winter War. The US Marines also found a use for the Boys once the British had given up on it: shooting rocks in the Pacific that the Japanese liked hiding behind. The bullet may not have felled too many Panzers, but it sure turned the rocks to splinters.
Sorry, my mistake. I got me WW's mixed up.
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