I hope the rumors aren't true! Like pretty much everyone else, I also have been rooting that this time they are starting off with a classic gunbarrel sequence, it's been 10 years since a Bond movie started that way for christ sake!
I remember when I first watched QoS and the movie just started with that rock, I was saying to my friends, oh my god, where's the gunbarrel sequence? Is this already the movie, or just another trailer?! ?:) Seconds later I realised that it was indeed the movie, and the gunbarrel was left out, only to find it at the end of the movie...
It should really be at the start of Skyfall, there's no question about it, I think there isn't a single fan arround who would be against that...
It should really be at the start of Skyfall, there's no question about it, I think there isn't a single fan arround who would be against that...
Well....just to prove how awkward I can be...
....I'm more than happy that the gunbarrel was where it was in CR and I'm very happy with what they have done with it for Skyfall...when you see it...it will all make sense
I predict that the gun barrel will not be at the start or the end, but rather after bond comes "back to life"... that's just my prediction, could be way off
It should really be at the start of Skyfall, there's no question about it, I think there isn't a single fan arround who would be against that...
Well....just to prove how awkward I can be...
....I'm more than happy that the gunbarrel was where it was in CR and I'm very happy with what they have done with it for Skyfall...when you see it...it will all make sense
It should really be at the start of Skyfall, there's no question about it, I think there isn't a single fan arround who would be against that...
Well....just to prove how awkward I can be...
....I'm more than happy that the gunbarrel was where it was in CR and I'm very happy with what they have done with it for Skyfall...when you see it...it will all make sense
Judging by that comment im guessing it's not at the start then :P )
It should really be at the start of Skyfall, there's no question about it, I think there isn't a single fan arround who would be against that...
Well....just to prove how awkward I can be...
....I'm more than happy that the gunbarrel was where it was in CR and I'm very happy with what they have done with it for Skyfall...when you see it...it will all make sense
If it's not at the start... No it won't.
I can't believe you will rate this film over it's placement of the gunbarrel sequence....I think your time will be better spent if you continue your hobby of judging books by their covers 8-)
Seems a bit overboard to me as well. Of course, it's not my business to tell anyone what should matter to them, or how much it should matter, but if the film is otherwise outstanding in every other way, couldn't we put the placement of the gunbarrel sequence in perspective a bit? Just asking.
....I'm more than happy that the gunbarrel was where it was in CR and I'm very happy with what they have done with it for Skyfall...when you see it...it will all make sense
If it's not at the start... No it won't.
I can't believe you will rate this film over it's placement of the gunbarrel sequence....I think your time will be better spent if you continue your hobby of judging books by their covers 8-)
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Seems a bit overboard to me as well. Of course, it's not my business to tell anyone what should matter to them, or how much it should matter, but if the film is otherwise outstanding in every other way, couldn't we put the placement of the gunbarrel sequence in perspective a bit? Just asking.
For some that would seem a far too rational thought....
Know what? Things change. And Bond is blond.
We have our 'traditional' Bonds, these new ones can do as they please as long as the movies themselves are good.
That's my opinion & I'm sticking to it. )
The white dots and gun barrell really should be at the start, just as the end credits go at the end, pre-title sequence is before the title sequence etc. It is such a simple thing and there is really no further need to play around with it. Yes, I can live without it, but I have very fond memories growing up watching these movies and even trying to replicate the gunbarrell sequence with friends and video camera, cardboard cut out and red cellophane.
Know what? Things change. And Bond is blond.
We have our 'traditional' Bonds, these new ones can do as they please as long as the movies themselves are good.
That's my opinion & I'm sticking to it. )
Mine too, don't judge the film, by the barrel
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I can't believe you will rate this film over it's placement of the gunbarrel sequence....I think your time will be better spent if you continue your hobby of judging books by their covers 8-)
I happen to agree with FitzoChris on this. The gunbarrel needs to be at the start. If not, it'll go down in my ratings, no matter how good the film happens to be.
I am very much a traditionalist and I am against change for change's sake. That's what the placement of the gunbarrel anywhere other than the very beginning of the film is - a change, for no reason other than to change it. There is no good reason that I can see why the gunbarrel sequence can't be at the start.
I can't believe you will rate this film over it's placement of the gunbarrel sequence....I think your time will be better spent if you continue your hobby of judging books by their covers 8-)
I happen to agree with FitzoChris on this. The gunbarrel needs to be at the start.
No, it doesn't need to be, it's cool when it is, and when it isn't it doesn't make much difference. I love goldeneye with the classic gunbarrel opening, and i also like QoS with it being used at the end. The actual film (thats the bit in the middle btw) is thought of as good due to lots of things to do with film making.
You seriously think any discerning film critic is gonna poo-poo or praise the whole film based on where or if a gunbarrel sequence is used?
If not, it'll go down in my ratings, no matter how good the film happens to be.
so if it's not used at the start of a bond film, does this mean you walk out the cinema?
I am very much a traditionalist and I am against change for change's sake. That's what the placement of the gunbarrel anywhere other than the very beginning of the film is - a change, for no reason other than to change it. There is no good reason that I can see why the gunbarrel sequence can't be at the start.
so did you hate TND as bond's car wasn't an aston martn, or do you hate all the films as he's never driven a bentley on screen?
have you hated the series since GE because M is a lady?
have you disliked the series since craig as there's been no Q or Moneypenny?
Change is good, and I get that some traditions are important. Of course, it's important to remember one's roots and to keep some things the same, but as time goes on, times change and so does bond.
if we still had everything done in the style of goldfinger, people would complain that all bond films are the same, you have to have change in order to keep it fresh and maintain the interest in it.
at the end of it, its a bloody gunbarrel, it takes up about 7 seconds of screen time and where or if one is used is, IMO irrelevant to how good the actual film is.
No, it doesn't need to be, it's cool when it is, and when it isn't it doesn't make much difference. I love goldeneye with the classic gunbarrel opening, and i also like QoS with it being used at the end. The actual film (thats the bit in the middle btw) is thought of as good due to lots of things to do with film making.
You seriously think any discerning film critic is gonna poo-poo or praise the whole film based on where or if a gunbarrel sequence is used?
No. I wonder how many of them are die hard Bond fans, and of the die hard Bond fans, how many of those are 'traditionalists'. But ask any traditionalist, however, and their views might be different.
so if it's not used at the start of a bond film, does this mean you walk out the cinema?
No. I never said that I'll "hate" it as a result of the gunbarrel sequence not being where it should rightfully be, but in my view, the film will be worse off for it. The only Bond film that I came close to walking out of was Die Another Day, but I stayed in the vain hope that it'd get better. It didn't.
so did you hate TND as bond's car wasn't an aston martn, or do you hate all the films as he's never driven a bentley on screen?
have you hated the series since GE because M is a lady?
have you disliked the series since craig as there's been no Q or Moneypenny?
I think Bond should be driving a Bentley on screen.
I think M should be a man.
I think Bond should still smoke and drink like the literary Bond does.
I think the actors who play Bond (or any other recurring character from Fleming's novels) should look somewhat like the Bond (or those recurring characters) that was described in the Fleming novels.
These things, although minor in the scheme of the entire series, are issues that really bug me. For those reasons, none of the modern Bond films will ever displace any of the films in my personal current top 5, which are the first four films and On Her Majesty's Secret Service. When I watch modern Bond films, I can't help but feel that the film could be so much better if more elements of the literary Bond and the classic cinematic Bond were included. While Daniel Craig has done well to an extent to bring back the literary Bond on screen, I rate him as the third best Bond behind Connery and Dalton, if only because he looks nothing like the literary Bond.
Change is good, and I get that some traditions are important. Of course, it's important to remember one's roots and to keep some things the same, but as time goes on, times change and so does bond.
I believe having the gunbarrel sequence at the very start of the film is one of those important, non-negotiable traditions. Yes, I agree certain things need to change: the stories change from film to film, but the defining characteristics of a Bond film should not. The formula that makes a good film is not necessarily the same formula that makes a good Bond film. A film can be a great action film but be a crap Bond film at the same time.
at the end of it, its a bloody gunbarrel, it takes up about 7 seconds of screen time and where or if one is used is, IMO irrelevant to how good the actual film is.
Then why not have it at the start? What difference would it make?
Then why not have it at the start? What difference would it make?
you've answered your own question here.
ok, so the use of the word 'hate' was a bit much, apologies for that.
i can see where you're coming from with the traditionalist ideal here, but i can't help feel that there can't be many bond films you like past the connery era.
I can't believe you will rate this film over it's placement of the gunbarrel sequence....I think your time will be better spent if you continue your hobby of judging books by their covers 8-)
I happen to agree with FitzoChris on this. The gunbarrel needs to be at the start. If not, it'll go down in my ratings, no matter how good the film happens to be.
I am very much a traditionalist and I am against change for change's sake. That's what the placement of the gunbarrel anywhere other than the very beginning of the film is - a change, for no reason other than to change it. There is no good reason that I can see why the gunbarrel sequence can't be at the start.
You see...I find it very odd that you place such emphasis on the gunbarrel having to be at the start...as I have said, there is a REASON why the gunbarrel is where it is in this movie...and it will become clear why when you see it...it isn't where it is in this movie just for the sake of it....
I have to agree with those who say that the gun-barrel needs to be at the start. I know some people are saying that it isn't vital that it's at the start, but for me, and many others, it is. It's part of what identifies a bond film as a bond film.
Someone mentioned how M is a woman might annoy some. It doesn't me, but the gun-barrel does. IMO the gun-barrel is on another level to things like that, but that's just me.
I do understand though what people are saying about how the gun-barrel works on Skyfall. I obviously can't comment on that as I haven't seen it. So yes, I will reserve judgement until I've seen it.
It's certainly possible to disagree without getting angry at each other. You've just gotta keep a level head and respectuflly disagree. I'm used to it - my opinions are not exactly shared by many on here - what with hating adele's diction, and loving AVTAK so much... People are gonna disagree, it's all cool -{
I have to admit that I am stunned by how big a deal some folks are making about the gunbarrel sequence. I consider myself a true Bond fan, going all the way back to Dr. No, and by and large I think the older (i.e. Connery era) films are the best. So in some sense I am a traditionalist. But to devalue Skyfall because of the placement or lack of the gunbarrel sequence, no matter how good the movie is????? Sorry - that just doesn't compute with me. And I'm not disparging those Bond fans who feel that way - I just don't understand them.
I have to admit that I am stunned by how big a deal some folks are making about the gunbarrel sequence. I consider myself a true Bond fan, going all the way back to Dr. No, and by and large I think the older (i.e. Connery era) films are the best. So in some sense I am a traditionalist. But to devalue Skyfall because of the placement or lack of the gunbarrel sequence, no matter how good the movie is????? Sorry - that just doesn't compute with me. And I'm not disparging those Bond fans who feel that way - I just don't understand them.
With me, it wouldn't de-value the film or knock any points off it as a whole. But it would certainly annoy me.
I have to admit that I am stunned by how big a deal some folks are making about the gunbarrel sequence. I consider myself a true Bond fan, going all the way back to Dr. No, and by and large I think the older (i.e. Connery era) films are the best. So in some sense I am a traditionalist. But to devalue Skyfall because of the placement or lack of the gunbarrel sequence, no matter how good the movie is????? Sorry - that just doesn't compute with me. And I'm not disparging those Bond fans who feel that way - I just don't understand them.
With me, it wouldn't de-value the film or knock any points off it as a whole. But it would certainly annoy me.
It should really be at the start of Skyfall, there's no question about it, I think there isn't a single fan arround who would be against that...
Well....just to prove how awkward I can be...
....I'm more than happy that the gunbarrel was where it was in CR and I'm very happy with what they have done with it for Skyfall...when you see it...it will all make sense
You sound like you have already seen Skyfall? How could you possibly know what they have done with it in Skyfall? ?:) Do you happen to be a movie critic that already got to see it early on?
It should really be at the start of Skyfall, there's no question about it, I think there isn't a single fan arround who would be against that...
Well....just to prove how awkward I can be...
....I'm more than happy that the gunbarrel was where it was in CR and I'm very happy with what they have done with it for Skyfall...when you see it...it will all make sense
You sound like you have already seen Skyfall? How could you possibly know what they have done with it in Skyfall? ?:) Do you happen to be a movie critic that already got to see it early on?
I have to admit that I am stunned by how big a deal some folks are making about the gunbarrel sequence. I consider myself a true Bond fan, going all the way back to Dr. No, and by and large I think the older (i.e. Connery era) films are the best. So in some sense I am a traditionalist. But to devalue Skyfall because of the placement or lack of the gunbarrel sequence, no matter how good the movie is????? Sorry - that just doesn't compute with me. And I'm not disparging those Bond fans who feel that way - I just don't understand them.
I wouldn't consider myself a die hard Bond fan... but I prob know more about the movies, actors, directors etc than most of my friends, and I did get back into Bond once Craig became 007... but I'm not bothered either about where the gun barrel is placed... and didn't even really register it was missing in CR until it was talked about on here...
It is surprising how people are so rigid with their opinions on where it should be.... I would have thought script, actors and direction would be more important... but there you go! So if it's at the beginning, middle or end, it makes no difference to me....
However I have yet to dislike any Bond song... including Madonna's one, AND I liked the invisible car (NOT the paragliding though)... so there you go!
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Wow, Lexi! You actually are a diehard fan! Even I found a Bond song that I dislike. But it's not Madonna's Die Another Day (I like that one). It "All Time High" from Octopussy. That song literally puts me to sleep every time I hear it! )
I have to admit that I am stunned by how big a deal some folks are making about the gunbarrel sequence. I consider myself a true Bond fan, going all the way back to Dr. No, and by and large I think the older (i.e. Connery era) films are the best. So in some sense I am a traditionalist. But to devalue Skyfall because of the placement or lack of the gunbarrel sequence, no matter how good the movie is????? Sorry - that just doesn't compute with me. And I'm not disparging those Bond fans who feel that way - I just don't understand them.
I wouldn't consider myself a die hard Bond fan... but I prob know more about the movies, actors, directors etc than most of my friends, and I did get back into Bond once Craig became 007... but I'm not bothered either about where the gun barrel is placed... and didn't even really register it was missing in CR until it was talked about on here...
It is surprising how people are so rigid with their opinions on where it should be.... I would have thought script, actors and direction would be more important... but there you go! So if it's at the beginning, middle or end, it makes no difference to me....
However I have yet to dislike any Bond song... including Madonna's one, AND I liked the invisible car (NOT the paragliding though)... so there you go!
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I remember when I first watched QoS and the movie just started with that rock, I was saying to my friends, oh my god, where's the gunbarrel sequence? Is this already the movie, or just another trailer?! ?:) Seconds later I realised that it was indeed the movie, and the gunbarrel was left out, only to find it at the end of the movie...
It should really be at the start of Skyfall, there's no question about it, I think there isn't a single fan arround who would be against that...
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Well....just to prove how awkward I can be...
....I'm more than happy that the gunbarrel was where it was in CR and I'm very happy with what they have done with it for Skyfall...when you see it...it will all make sense
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If it's not at the start... No it won't.
Judging by that comment im guessing it's not at the start then :P
I can't believe you will rate this film over it's placement of the gunbarrel sequence....I think your time will be better spent if you continue your hobby of judging books by their covers 8-)
For some that would seem a far too rational thought....
We have our 'traditional' Bonds, these new ones can do as they please as long as the movies themselves are good.
That's my opinion & I'm sticking to it.
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I happen to agree with FitzoChris on this. The gunbarrel needs to be at the start. If not, it'll go down in my ratings, no matter how good the film happens to be.
I am very much a traditionalist and I am against change for change's sake. That's what the placement of the gunbarrel anywhere other than the very beginning of the film is - a change, for no reason other than to change it. There is no good reason that I can see why the gunbarrel sequence can't be at the start.
No, it doesn't need to be, it's cool when it is, and when it isn't it doesn't make much difference. I love goldeneye with the classic gunbarrel opening, and i also like QoS with it being used at the end. The actual film (thats the bit in the middle btw) is thought of as good due to lots of things to do with film making.
You seriously think any discerning film critic is gonna poo-poo or praise the whole film based on where or if a gunbarrel sequence is used?
so if it's not used at the start of a bond film, does this mean you walk out the cinema?
so did you hate TND as bond's car wasn't an aston martn, or do you hate all the films as he's never driven a bentley on screen?
have you hated the series since GE because M is a lady?
have you disliked the series since craig as there's been no Q or Moneypenny?
Change is good, and I get that some traditions are important. Of course, it's important to remember one's roots and to keep some things the same, but as time goes on, times change and so does bond.
if we still had everything done in the style of goldfinger, people would complain that all bond films are the same, you have to have change in order to keep it fresh and maintain the interest in it.
at the end of it, its a bloody gunbarrel, it takes up about 7 seconds of screen time and where or if one is used is, IMO irrelevant to how good the actual film is.
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No. I wonder how many of them are die hard Bond fans, and of the die hard Bond fans, how many of those are 'traditionalists'. But ask any traditionalist, however, and their views might be different.
No. I never said that I'll "hate" it as a result of the gunbarrel sequence not being where it should rightfully be, but in my view, the film will be worse off for it. The only Bond film that I came close to walking out of was Die Another Day, but I stayed in the vain hope that it'd get better. It didn't.
I think Bond should be driving a Bentley on screen.
I think M should be a man.
I think Bond should still smoke and drink like the literary Bond does.
I think the actors who play Bond (or any other recurring character from Fleming's novels) should look somewhat like the Bond (or those recurring characters) that was described in the Fleming novels.
These things, although minor in the scheme of the entire series, are issues that really bug me. For those reasons, none of the modern Bond films will ever displace any of the films in my personal current top 5, which are the first four films and On Her Majesty's Secret Service. When I watch modern Bond films, I can't help but feel that the film could be so much better if more elements of the literary Bond and the classic cinematic Bond were included. While Daniel Craig has done well to an extent to bring back the literary Bond on screen, I rate him as the third best Bond behind Connery and Dalton, if only because he looks nothing like the literary Bond.
I believe having the gunbarrel sequence at the very start of the film is one of those important, non-negotiable traditions. Yes, I agree certain things need to change: the stories change from film to film, but the defining characteristics of a Bond film should not. The formula that makes a good film is not necessarily the same formula that makes a good Bond film. A film can be a great action film but be a crap Bond film at the same time.
Then why not have it at the start? What difference would it make?
you've answered your own question here.
ok, so the use of the word 'hate' was a bit much, apologies for that.
i can see where you're coming from with the traditionalist ideal here, but i can't help feel that there can't be many bond films you like past the connery era.
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You see...I find it very odd that you place such emphasis on the gunbarrel having to be at the start...as I have said, there is a REASON why the gunbarrel is where it is in this movie...and it will become clear why when you see it...it isn't where it is in this movie just for the sake of it....
Someone mentioned how M is a woman might annoy some. It doesn't me, but the gun-barrel does. IMO the gun-barrel is on another level to things like that, but that's just me.
I do understand though what people are saying about how the gun-barrel works on Skyfall. I obviously can't comment on that as I haven't seen it. So yes, I will reserve judgement until I've seen it.
It's certainly possible to disagree without getting angry at each other. You've just gotta keep a level head and respectuflly disagree. I'm used to it - my opinions are not exactly shared by many on here - what with hating adele's diction, and loving AVTAK so much... People are gonna disagree, it's all cool -{
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With me, it wouldn't de-value the film or knock any points off it as a whole. But it would certainly annoy me.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
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You sound like you have already seen Skyfall? How could you possibly know what they have done with it in Skyfall? ?:) Do you happen to be a movie critic that already got to see it early on?
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he saw it on saturday.
so did i
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Holy ****! I'm behind once again! - So, I guess we can confirm that the gunbarrel wasn't at the start of the movie?
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May I ask how you guys were able to already see it this past saterday??
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I wouldn't consider myself a die hard Bond fan... but I prob know more about the movies, actors, directors etc than most of my friends, and I did get back into Bond once Craig became 007... but I'm not bothered either about where the gun barrel is placed... and didn't even really register it was missing in CR until it was talked about on here...
It is surprising how people are so rigid with their opinions on where it should be.... I would have thought script, actors and direction would be more important... but there you go! So if it's at the beginning, middle or end, it makes no difference to me....
However I have yet to dislike any Bond song... including Madonna's one, AND I liked the invisible car (NOT the paragliding though)... so there you go!