Your Most Controversial Bond Opinions

I saw a thread like this on another site and thought it was a fun idea. I apologize if there’s another topic like this (I did a couple searches and couldn’t find one).

The subject line says it all: Tell us your deepest, darkest James Bond movie confessions – your opinions that are so far outside the norm that you’re practically ashamed of them...the opinions to which other fans say “WHAT?!!” or “BOOO!” to. Because I guarantee that EVERY single one of us has at least one opinion that other Bond fans think is downright crazy.

So do you think Moonraker is the best film in the series? Do you think the Bond/Mayday sex scene in AVTAK was hot? Do you think Madonna’s DAD theme song ranks with the best of the Bond songs? This is the place to tell us.

I’m hoping this will stir up some fun debates, but also hoping that people can remain civil. I would hate to start a topic that devolves into insults and name-calling.

I’ll start with my own (rather outside the norm) opinions:

--I hate the song “Goldfinger.”
--I think George Lazenby is terrific as Bond, and wish he had continued with the role
--I think Blofeld is the weakest villain of the series. He’s either not there, or he’s being given ridiculous, bordering-on-hilarious portrayals by Pleasance, Savalas, or Gray.

And yes, those are my honest opinions – not saying them to be provocative. Feel free to disagree/yell/scream...or perhaps even agree :)

Anyone have any others?
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  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,241MI6 Agent
    "A View To A Kill" being one of the best. Seriously, I completely love it. I couldn't care less about Roger's age or Stacey Sutton, because the sheer awesomeness of the film makes up for any flaws. Max Zorin is an amazing villain. And the film has very enjoyable action sequences - the city hall fire, the fire engine chase, the mine sequence, and the golden gate bridge fight - all one after the other!

    AVTAK is bloody entertaining, and it still depresses me to this day that so many bond fans are always damn negative about it. The film entertains me and I enjoy it. I hate the constant AVTAK bashing! :#
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    - I like Madonna's theme song for Die Another Day.
    - I didn't find Jill St. John to be particularly hot in Diamonds Are Forever.
    - You Only Live Twice is one of my favorite Bond films!
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • PDJamesBondPDJamesBond Posts: 180MI6 Agent
    edited October 2012
    Jarvio, I completely agree with you about AVTAK! I didn’t include it because I don’t technically “love it.” I just like it very much. But I REALLY don’t get all the hate for it (although I understand that Stacy is shrill and annoying). But definitely underrated!

    And Blackleiter, I can’t agree with you on numbers 1 or 3, but I will wholeheartedly agree that Tiffany Case is NOT hot!
  • 7700777007 Posts: 502MI6 Agent
    These seem to be unpopular around here at least:

    -OHMSS ,one of the worst Bond films towards the very bottom of my list.

    -Dalton , one the worst Bonds it's close between him and Lazenby. Both Dalton films are way down on my list as well.
  • JimatayJimatay Posts: 126MI6 Agent
    From Russia With Love title track is my favourite title track. - I dunno what it is but nobody seems to pick that one.
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    I'm surprised to see someone agrees with me about Jill St. John. I'm expecting to be villified over that one! (Or at least have someone demand the name of my "oculist"!)
    - I like Madonna's theme song for Die Another Day.
    - I didn't find Jill St. John to be particularly hot in Diamonds Are Forever.
    - You Only Live Twice is one of my favorite Bond films!

    Jarvio, I completely agree with you about AVTAK! I didn’t include it because I don’t technically “love it.” I just like it very much. But I REALLY don’t get all the hate for it (although I understand that Stacy is shrill and annoying). But definitely underrated!

    And Blackleiter, I can’t agree with you on numbers 1 or 3, but I will wholeheartedly agree that Tiffany Case is NOT hot!
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,241MI6 Agent
    - I like Madonna's theme song for Die Another Day.
    - I didn't find Jill St. John to be particularly hot in Diamonds Are Forever.
    - You Only Live Twice is one of my favorite Bond films!

    We may disagree about AVTAK, but at least we can agree about YOLT -{
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • PDJamesBondPDJamesBond Posts: 180MI6 Agent
    77007, we will never be friends :) J/k, but I do STRONGLY disagree with both of your statements (Dalton is my favorite Bond). But hey, that’s the fun of this =)

    Jimatay, the FRWL theme song (not the opening instrumental, but the one sung by Matt Munro) is in my top 5 Bond songs. I love it. But you’re right – no one ever picks it.

    And Blackleiter, I don’t know about anyone else, but at least you found one person who agrees with you about the extremely unattractive Jill St. John :)
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,241MI6 Agent
    - I like Madonna's theme song for Die Another Day.
    - I didn't find Jill St. John to be particularly hot in Diamonds Are Forever.
    - You Only Live Twice is one of my favorite Bond films!

    Jarvio, I completely agree with you about AVTAK! I didn’t include it because I don’t technically “love it.” I just like it very much. But I REALLY don’t get all the hate for it (although I understand that Stacy is shrill and annoying). But definitely underrated!

    And Blackleiter, I can’t agree with you on numbers 1 or 3, but I will wholeheartedly agree that Tiffany Case is NOT hot!

    Always nice to read some AVTAK appreciation -{
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • torontobondfantorontobondfan TorontoPosts: 6MI6 Agent
    I don't know if this is a controversial opinion or whether it just isn't a popular choice, but I think Kamal Khan is one of the best villains of the series. I like the wit he has during his dealings with Bond and others throughout the film. Him explaining torture methods to 007 in the method that Louis Jourdan did was also very good. It helped overshadow to me what was a little bit of a confusing plot.

    Let's not also forget General Orlov prancing around the Politburo explaining that he has 22 armored divisions in Germany and another 10 in Czechoslovakia.
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,241MI6 Agent
    I don't know if this is a controversial opinion or whether it just isn't a popular choice, but I think Kamal Khan is one of the best villains of the series. I like the wit he has during his dealings with Bond and others throughout the film. Him explaining torture methods to 007 in the method that Louis Jourdan did was also very good. It helped overshadow to me what was a little bit of a confusing plot.

    Let's not also forget General Orlov prancing around the Politburo explaining that he has 22 armored divisions in Germany and another 10 in Czechoslovakia.

    I've always liked Kamal Khan too. A decent, underrated villain.
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    FRWL (while an excellent movie) bores me a bit these days.

    I really get a kick out of TMWTGG.

    FYEO is a really stupid movie.

    I do not hate Madonna's Die Another Day, if fact I like it.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    --I think Blofeld is the weakest villain of the series. He’s either not there, or he’s being given ridiculous, bordering-on-hilarious portrayals by Pleasance, Savalas, or Gray.
    On another thread I had to think who my favourite villain was, and to my own surprise it was Karl Stromberg, who was played very much how I thought Blofeld SHOULD have been played in previous movies. Your views are not extreme at all IMO.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Signed_By_RogerMooreSigned_By_RogerMoore Posts: 10MI6 Agent
    Diamonds are Forever, A View To a Kill and Moonraker is miles better than Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace

    Judy Dench is one of the worst things to happen to Bond
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Diamonds are Forever, A View To a Kill and Moonraker is miles better than Casino Royale
    Okay, THAT'S a little out there IMO! :)) :)) :)) :))
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Now we're talking controversial!!!!
    chrisisall wrote:
    Diamonds are Forever, A View To a Kill and Moonraker is miles better than Casino Royale
    Okay, THAT'S a little out there IMO! :)) :)) :)) :))
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    I didn't realize you we're a fellow YOLT fan. That's good to know! -{
    Jarvio wrote:
    - I like Madonna's theme song for Die Another Day.
    - I didn't find Jill St. John to be particularly hot in Diamonds Are Forever.
    - You Only Live Twice is one of my favorite Bond films!

    We may disagree about AVTAK, but at least we can agree about YOLT -{
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • PaperbillPaperbill FloridaPosts: 812MI6 Agent
    OHMSS Sucked, one of the worst.
    Dalton's movies sucked.
    I like Daniel Craig
    I liked QoS
  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,406MI6 Agent
    Okay, here we go. I don't mind the TMWTGG car whistle and Roger Moore is my favorite Bond
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  • BIG TAMBIG TAM Wrexham, North Wales, UK.Posts: 773MI6 Agent
    I like THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN theme song.

    I think Sean Connery looks good in DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER.
  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    I find BB strangely fit, no idea why. ;%

    That crocodile jumping bit in LALD, bit daft really, on par with the slidewhistle sound effect in the barrel-roll jump in TMWTGG

    I prefer Micheal Kitchen to Rory Kinnear

    Think the character of Elvis in QoS was totally wasted, the right hand man of the main villian has a handful of lines and no mention anywhere in the film? Utterly lost on me.

    I can't stand the continuity errors in DN, like using a browning for the silencer scene, and connery's stupid gurn as he races the sunbeam.

    The flying car in LALD is a total load of crap.

    DC's skin tight suits look **** too.

    Zorin was one of the best villians, mayday was a load of ****.

    DAD was great, far better than NSNA

    The bath-o-sub in DAF, wtf was that? seriously, what the hell was that for? a getaway? it looked like it had a range of 5yds.

    The fake snake and lion in MR and OP were just Monty Python all over.

    On a postive note, henchman #1's sideburns in DAF are truly magnificant. -{
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  • PDJamesBondPDJamesBond Posts: 180MI6 Agent
    Did someone just say that Moonraker is better than Casino Royale? Okay, now we really ARE talking controversial! Dang!

    I’m liking a lot of these. I also like TMWTGG theme song! Some of the lyrics are dumb but it’s catchy and I like Lulu’s voice.

    I also agree that Zorin is a terrific villain. Yes, his scheme may be a bit too similar to Goldfinger’s, but he’s so much crazier. That moment when he’s laughing hysterically while gunning down all his henchmen is, IMO, the creepiest moment in Bond history. Gives me chills every time.

    As for the “I like Daniel Craig” comment – I don’t think that’s particularly controversial, is it?
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,241MI6 Agent
    I didn't realize you we're a fellow YOLT fan. That's good to know! -{
    Jarvio wrote:
    - I like Madonna's theme song for Die Another Day.
    - I didn't find Jill St. John to be particularly hot in Diamonds Are Forever.
    - You Only Live Twice is one of my favorite Bond films!

    We may disagree about AVTAK, but at least we can agree about YOLT -{

    Yep, always liked YOLT. It's my second favourite connery film after DN. I find it to be great fun -{
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • DEFIANT 74205DEFIANT 74205 Perth, AustraliaPosts: 1,881MI6 Agent
    I like You Only Live Twice and Diamonds Are Forever. Despite being an advocate of the serious Fleming Bond, those two films are my "guilty pleasures".

    I dislike The Spy Who Loved Me. I thought its plot was pretty poor, as was the Bond girl. I mean, how much more generic a code name can you get than 'XXX'? I wonder how much thought the writers put into that. It's also poorly casted: Stromberg's voice bores me to tears because he speaks in a monotone. It's just hard to get excited about it. I don't know what people see in it.

    Fleming's novel of the same name was much, much better than the film.
    "Watch the birdie, you bastard!"
  • HalconHalcon Zen TemplePosts: 487MI6 Agent
    here are a couple of mine...

    Mayday was hot! i dont care what anybody says!
    After FRWL, Goldfinger is a big dissapointment.
    Octopussy theme 'All Time High' is the best Bond theme ever.
    Gladys Knight was the best singer out of all the Bond theme singers.

    ...and as great as Craig is...he is still not James Bond...
  • LancasterLancaster Posts: 60MI6 Agent
    1) My favourite of the "older" Bond films is TSWLM cos it has everything cool about Bond!
    2) Jaws is a good villain on account of size/teeth but what on earth were they thinking in Moonraker with the whole girlfriend thing!?
    3) I'm bored with Aston Martin association. Great marque but I've always found it ridiculous to suggest an agent drives around in a tank like an Aston - not practical/expensive and shouts "look at me!"
    4) That invisible Aston was pants and borderline Marvel territory
    5) Agree with an earlier post, Goldfinger tune does nothing for me musically, but at least I can remember the title song for that movie! All Bond themes should be named after the film - no exceptions!
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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    I agree with you about Gladys Knight.....that's about it! :))
    Halcon wrote:
    here are a couple of mine...

    Mayday was hot! i dont care what anybody says!
    After FRWL, Goldfinger is a big dissapointment.
    Octopussy theme 'All Time High' is the best Bond theme ever.
    Gladys Knight was the best singer out of all the Bond theme singers.

    ...and as great as Craig is...he is still not James Bond...
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • Golrush007Golrush007 South AfricaPosts: 3,421Quartermasters
    Jarvio wrote:
    "A View To A Kill" being one of the best. Seriously, I completely love it. I couldn't care less about Roger's age or Stacey Sutton, because the sheer awesomeness of the film makes up for any flaws. Max Zorin is an amazing villain. And the film has very enjoyable action sequences - the city hall fire, the fire engine chase, the mine sequence, and the golden gate bridge fight - all one after the other!

    AVTAK is bloody entertaining, and it still depresses me to this day that so many bond fans are always damn negative about it. The film entertains me and I enjoy it. I hate the constant AVTAK bashing! :#

    I always like to see AVTAK getting a bit of love...to me, it is an example of a Bond film being better than the sum of its parts. There are many reasons why I should dislike, and it does rank quite low on my Bond movie list, but I find it very entertaining and a film I frequently enjoy re-watching. The main villains (Zorin and May Day) and the score are excellent and help to make up for the film's shortcomings.
  • Q-Branch_2012Q-Branch_2012 Posts: 80MI6 Agent
    I think it was clear in my review that OHMSS is pretty low down on my list, which is definately a controversial opinion in these parts.

    Als oLALD being one of my favourites as is YOLT
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  • DutchfingerDutchfinger Holland With LovePosts: 1,240MI6 Agent
    Nice idea for a thread! The first pretty off-norm oppinion that comes to my mind is this one:

    I mentioned this one once before, and I think I am one of the view (if not the only) one who has this oppinion:
    I thought Talisa Sota did a great job in LTK! Further more, I actually always thought of the 'I love James SOOO much" line to be an obvious taunt to Pam. She has obviously noticed that Pam was with Bond in the casino, and she delibertly tells her that she slept with Bond last night. Of course she isn't truly deeply in love with Bond, hence she even runs off with El Presidento at the end of the movie. That has always been my interpertation of the line :)
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