James Bond And Swearing

BIG TAMBIG TAM Wrexham, North Wales, UK.Posts: 773MI6 Agent
edited October 2012 in Skyfall - Bond 23 (2012)
I've been reading a bit about SKYFALL & noted there's an utterance of the F-word within its 142 minute running time. I may be showing my age but if that is the case then it's a shame. Whether aimed more at adults in the '60s or kids in the '70s, Bond films have always essentially been family films.

I may have the charge of hypocrisy levelled at me for having no problems with a more hard-edged attitude to violence, but violence has always been part of the character's make-up. Hence the one-liners to alleviate the brutality. Hard swearing just seems so out of character & I'd always hoped cussing might be kept to a bare minimum. I'm no prude (heck, SCARFACE & GOODFELLAS are two of my favourite films) but it just doesn't suit Bond's world.

It won't ultimately turn me off an otherwise high quality film. It's just a shame they've had to resort to it, that's all.

PS I've just remembered J.W. Pepper almost utteringing the word in LIVE & LET DIE & Dalton coming close to mouthing it when fending off the swordfish in LICENCE TO KILL. I suppose if used for comic effect I might be spared my blushes.

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  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    To be honest, I don't mind bond (or any other character) uttering a naughty word in the heat of a moment. I think it adds realism to a scene when a character reacts naturally with a 'Jesus Christ!' etc instead of acting all super human and brushing the situation off in, what can sometimes be, an unrealistic manner.
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  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,755MI6 Agent
    It's rated PG-13 in the States so there can't be too many f-bombs. The MPAA film rating system can really be bizarre in the States. You can still get a PG-13 if you only use the F word once and not as a sexual reference.
  • Jedi MasterJedi Master UKPosts: 1,093MI6 Agent
    It's 12A in Britain (even under 12s can attend if they are with an adult), I'm not sure if that's a higher or lower rating than PG13!

    But anyway, I remember being surprised by the F-bomb, thinking it was a little out of tone for a Bond film but that it worked and was funny. But I can't for the life of me remember where it happened! Can anybody remind me ('neath cover of a spoiler alert of course!)?

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  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    It's 12A in Britain (even under 12s can attend if they are with an adult), I'm not sure if that's a higher or lower rating than PG13!

    But anyway, I remember being surprised by the F-bomb, thinking it was a little out of tone for a Bond film but that it worked and was funny. But I can't for the life of me remember where it happened! Can anybody remind me ('neath cover of a spoiler alert of course!)?

    JediM
    the f bomb is said by M in skyfall lodge where she admits to Bond that she "really f@cked up haven't I?". Naughty M.
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  • HoagieHoagie Posts: 48MI6 Agent
    It's 12A in Britain (even under 12s can attend if they are with an adult), I'm not sure if that's a higher or lower rating than PG13!

    But anyway, I remember being surprised by the F-bomb, thinking it was a little out of tone for a Bond film but that it worked and was funny. But I can't for the life of me remember where it happened! Can anybody remind me ('neath cover of a spoiler alert of course!)?

    JediM

    I was surprised by it too, and baulked a little thinking maybe using the 'F' word was a bit much in a Bond film. Then I remembered it was the 21st century and not 1962, and am now quite comfortable with it's inclusion.
  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    Hoagie wrote:
    It's 12A in Britain (even under 12s can attend if they are with an adult), I'm not sure if that's a higher or lower rating than PG13!

    But anyway, I remember being surprised by the F-bomb, thinking it was a little out of tone for a Bond film but that it worked and was funny. But I can't for the life of me remember where it happened! Can anybody remind me ('neath cover of a spoiler alert of course!)?

    JediM

    I was surprised by it too, and baulked a little thinking maybe using the 'F' word was a bit much in a Bond film. Then I remembered it was the 21st century and not 1962, and am now quite comfortable with it's inclusion.

    I think it was used for a variety of reasons, to add humour, to show the severity of the situation, to shock a little as we don't expect it and to show the character's vulnerability and fact that they aren't perfect.

    I think I worked rather well, pleased that it isn't a regular occurrence and wouldn't mind if it was done again.
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  • schaduwoogschaduwoog Posts: 97MI6 Agent
    I didn't notice actually. 'Messed up' would be better. Someone decided to throw in some cool hollywood lines, like
    'I never liked this house anyway' or something like that. Also a poor line, we immediately got loved with this house, it's beautiful shown, good atmosphere and then we hear Bond that negative about it. I thought it was very bad and not that 'Bondian'. All to be funny, which it isn't. It's more a terminator or triple X line.
  • Jedi MasterJedi Master UKPosts: 1,093MI6 Agent
    schaduwoog wrote:
    I didn't notice actually. 'Messed up' would be better. Someone decided to throw in some cool hollywood lines, like
    'I never liked this house anyway' or something like that. Also a poor line, we immediately got loved with this house, it's beautiful shown, good atmosphere and then we hear Bond that negative about it. I thought it was very bad and not that 'Bondian'. All to be funny, which it isn't. It's more a terminator or triple X line.

    What do you mean?! That kind of throw away line is exactly Bondian! He was clearly distraught about his childhood home being destroyed but he was brushing it off in a nonchalant manner to continue with the job in hand! I thought that was classic Bond, as was the destruction of the car and the look he gave the camera at that point (although I thought they slightly missed the comic tone in that case, but then maybe you preferred that one?).

    I guess we've given up with spoilers? :P
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I loved the Line from M, Thought it very Funny and Very Human.
    It's what any of us would of said. ( well I would ) :))
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  • BIG TAMBIG TAM Wrexham, North Wales, UK.Posts: 773MI6 Agent
    Saw the film on Saturday. Loved it, like so many. M's use of the F-word didn't cause me to have a seizure. Dench's diction was so poor it barely registered!

    I broached this subject to a couple of fellow fans after the screening. They also said it's 2012 not 1962; times change. They then said they liked Brosnan's adventures more. I asked why. They said they were more escapist entertainment, like the '60s & '70s. Ah, so one isn't happy with the general content changing, just the language? They then swore at me & we continued to drink beer.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I can't wait to see the fan video with M swearing all over the place. :))
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  • A7ceA7ce Birmingham, EnglandPosts: 656MI6 Agent
    Agree with Big Tam, muffled diction lost the impact
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Could be to get the 12A, They were made to make it Muffled. :#
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • jon_1ukjon_1uk Posts: 674MI6 Agent
    Could be to get the 12A, They were made to make it Muffled. :#
    mmm i thought it was just said in a low voice as if she was thinking out loud..
    i think it added realism to the situation because if it was a true event i am sure that phrase and worse would of been used.
    IMHO bond films have been wrapped in cotton wool for to long and CR was a well needed reality check that made people remember that Bond is a licensed killer.
    "some men are coming to kill us, we're going to kill them first"
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