Is Goldeneye the best?

forenglandjames · November 2012

I think its the best due to the fact its realistic, great plot and its in the correct timeline what do you think?

BIG TAM · November 2012

I loved it when it first came out, then went off it a bit but have since started warming to it again. It definitely deserved a cheer following the six year hiatus, but I felt irritated that Dalton had been hard done to as he was so good in the role. But as I say, I'm enjoying it again & can see why it's held in such high regard by many fans.

welshboy78 · November 2012

Ive gone off it a bit, however it prob has one of the most spectacular PTS for a new Bond!! Way over the top but great!!!

In my top 10 but prob not top 5

minigeff · November 2012

forenglandjames wrote:

I think its the best due to the fact its realistic, great plot and its in the correct timeline what do you think?

still my favourite. skyfall being close second.

Jarvio · November 2012

By far the best Brosnan film. But overall on my list, it's 9th.

LastRatStanding · November 2012

Definitely top 10, possibly 5th. The best of Brosnan's for sure.

chrisisall · November 2012

Loved the movie, loved Brosnan it it... but when Natalia screams in the cockpit I get this terrible flashback to Stacy... it never lasts long though.

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Virgil37 · November 2012

No, IMO it´s not the best. Maybe the best bond movie of 1995.

Sir Miles · November 2012

It's a good movie for the most part....but it's also quite boring in places....it's not even Brozza's best Bond movie...

Colonel Shatner · November 2012

GoldenEye is far from the best, but a decent jack of all trades Bond movie, almost like a compilation of most of the previous Bond movies, but in recent years feels padded in places and overall disjointed.

Call me odd but I thought Brosnan's best instalment Tomorrow Never Dies, despite having some grave faults as well.

NeverSayDie · November 2012

It's one of my favourites as it's the first i saw at the cinema and it's the film that made me want to become a film director.
I played the game religiously too!!!
I recently went to a big geeky comic book convention in London (MCM Expo) as Brosnan's Bond
from Goldeneye and even had the Parker pen in my pocket. :-)

chrisisall · November 2012

Colonel Shatner wrote:

Call me odd but I thought Brosnan's best instalment Tomorrow Never Dies, despite having some grave faults as well.

I concur, though I like all of Brosnan's first three.

Barbel · November 2012

chrisisall wrote:

Colonel Shatner wrote:

Call me odd but I thought Brosnan's best instalment Tomorrow Never Dies, despite having some grave faults as well.

I concur, though I like all of Brosnan's first three.

Same here. IMHO the score lets GE down (title song excepted), while TND's music helps enormously (title song excepted).

Le Samourai · November 2012

forenglandjames wrote:

I think its the best due to the fact its realistic, great plot and its in the correct timeline what do you think?

I find GE pretty fantastical and far from realistic.

As for the film itself... I like it but I don't love it. On the plus side, it's well-directed and the cinematography is very good (though not 'Skyfall' good!). There are some nice individual scenes. However, the movie doesn't really seem to gel to me. Part of the problem was Brosnan's performance. It felt like he was trying too hard. I was very conscious of Brosnan playing Bond, as opposed to being Bond. I thought in TND and especially TWINE (my favorite Brosnan Bond) he had loosened up and settled into the role. GE also didn't seem very consistent in tone, as if it couldn't decide between being a darker, more serious Bond film or a wilder, more over-the-top Bond film.

chrisisall · November 2012

Le Samourai wrote:

GE also didn't seem very consistent in tone, as if it couldn't decide between being a darker, more serious Bond film or a wilder, more over-the-top Bond film.

Consistency in tone has never traditionally been a Bond Movie's strong suite.
"I am INVINCIBLE!"
And possibly, it MAY be the strangely charming quality that sets them apart from the rest...

Muston · November 2012

I see GE as a bit over the top but in a good way. It has all the Big Bond elements and Brosnan couldn't have asked for a better start as Bond. Saying that it is second to TWINE in my view.

chrisisall · November 2012

Muston wrote:

Saying that it is second to TWINE in my view.

A very under-rated Bond movie IMO.

DTReinsma · November 2012

It is to me anyway.

Golrush007 · November 2012

I wouldn't put it right at the top, but I do regard GE as one of the best. Number 5 on my list. Definitely the best Brosnan film. I was 8 years old when GE came out, so it was pretty much the first new James Bond film that I was aware of and pretty iconic in my mind. Although, I didn't actually see it until about 1998 on video. It was in 1996/1997 that I started watching the Bond films.

bailorg · November 2012

I think a number of aspects of GE, and to a certain extent all the Brosnan Bond movies, age badly, notably the whole Bond/Moneypenny dialog just screams 1995, which may have worked then but seems increasingly cringe-worthy as time goes by.

Also I never really thought Dench and Brosnan had much chemistry together, especially early on and only looks much worse compared to the excellent chemistry that Dench and Craig have.

As others have noted, Brosnan doesn't seem remotely comfortable playing Bond yet in GE.

In terms of the bigger picture, GE marks the beginning of the era where "the formula" starts to get stale. Once you get beyond the surprisingly decent special effects and the memory of the LTK-GE hiatus subsides, you realize that it is just a very cookie-cutter, formulaic Bond movie where nothing all that interesting or memorable happens.

Q-Branch_2012 · November 2012

I think this is a great Bond movie, but not the best. It is the best Brosnan Bond movie IMO, but overall there are better ones out there.

Luke · November 2012

bailorg wrote:

I think a number of aspects of GE, and to a certain extent all the Brosnan Bond movies, age badly, notably the whole Bond/Moneypenny dialog just screams 1995, which may have worked then but seems increasingly cringe-worthy as time goes by.

Also I never really thought Dench and Brosnan had much chemistry together, especially early on and only looks much worse compared to the excellent chemistry that Dench and Craig have.

As others have noted, Brosnan doesn't seem remotely comfortable playing Bond yet in GE.

In terms of the bigger picture, GE marks the beginning of the era where "the formula" starts to get stale. Once you get beyond the surprisingly decent special effects and the memory of the LTK-GE hiatus subsides, you realize that it is just a very cookie-cutter, formulaic Bond movie where nothing all that interesting or memorable happens.

I agree for the most part, though I think the formula got stale far before Goldeneye. It seems to me that almost all of the formulaic bonds (the films that follow Goldfinger's mold closely) end up near the end of most lists. The Roger Moore films, with the exception of the wonderful LALD, are all extremely formulaic. That's the problem with the Brosnan films as well. Most of the interesting, critically-respected Bond films make divergences from goldfinger's precedent. CR, FRWL, TLD, OHMSS, LALD, etc.

Moore Than · November 2012

My favourite of the Pierce Brosnan era by some distance. Goldeneye is the most entertaining and the only one that holds my attention from start to finish. It features nearly all of my favourite characters of the era. Alec Trevelyan, Natalya Simonova, Xenia Onatopp and Valentin Zukovsky. Even Jack Wade is good in this film.

zaphod · November 2012

Moore Than wrote:

My favourite of the Pierce Brosnan era by some distance. Goldeneye is the most entertaining and the only one that holds my attention from start to finish. It features nearly all of my favourite characters of the era. Alec Trevelyan, Natalya Simonova, Xenia Onatopp and Valentin Zukovsky. Even Jack Wade is good in this film.

I like it a lot, but it has it's problems...the destruction of the base and aftermath goes on far too long. Brozzer seems too slight, young looking and catalogue model like ( as he aged he got better) Natalaya is weak and borderline annoying, and the back story set up with Trevelyan is Implauseable even for a Bond movie. However it's still a favourite.

Q and M · November 2012

would loved to have seen Timothy Dalton in this role!!

zaphod · November 2012

Q and M wrote:

would loved to have seen Timothy Dalton in this role!!

Ditto.

Dalkowski110 · November 2012

Inspired by this thread, I asked two Absolute Flemingist friends of mine who despised Brosnan and GE (one will literally not watch anything between OHMSS and CR except for Dalton's two entries AND consider it a Bond film, but the other is more open-minded and does at least consider any other films part of the Bond canon) what they would have thought had Timothy Dalton been given the role. Once again proving that the guy playing Bond is pretty important, one (first guy) answered that it would be (and I'm quoting him exactly): "with the exception of the DsOB [dates of birth], the best Bond film since Connery" and the other said it would "vault into [his] top five, but not surpass [his] top three of FRWL, CR, and DN".

Vampfox · November 2012

I can't help but wonder how much of Goldeneye's popularity comes from the movie, and how much of it comes from the video game.

TheCello · November 2012

Leading up to Skyfall, my friends and I were discussing our favorite Bonds and after hearing so many say Goldeneye, decided to re-watch. Never minded it but never would have considered it a favorite, and my opinion didn't change rewatching it. Not sure what the big appeal is...I think the first Brosnan and the first Bond in eight years, it was a big thing as the first for our generation.

lahaine · November 2012

Its the only Bronson Bond film where he looked cool but I just never took to Bronson he was to smarmy and slick for my tastes too much bedding the women and silly gagdets and winking at the camera. I could never take him serious.

forenglandjames · November 2012

bailorg wrote:

I think a number of aspects of GE, and to a certain extent all the Brosnan Bond movies, age badly, notably the whole Bond/Moneypenny dialog just screams 1995, which may have worked then but seems increasingly cringe-worthy as time goes by.

Also I never really thought Dench and Brosnan had much chemistry together, especially early on and only looks much worse compared to the excellent chemistry that Dench and Craig have.

As others have noted, Brosnan doesn't seem remotely comfortable playing Bond yet in GE.

In terms of the bigger picture, GE marks the beginning of the era where "the formula" starts to get stale. Once you get beyond the surprisingly decent special effects and the memory of the LTK-GE hiatus subsides, you realize that it is just a very cookie-cutter, formulaic Bond movie where nothing all that interesting or memorable happens.

Judi Dench was the new M into the MI6 which she was disliked and classed as an accountant by Bond and Tanner. To me is seems their chemistry is realistic as it is a result of a post cold war MI6 where the staff have been changed and all had their diversity training if you like leaving Bond looking old fashioned. The chemistry would come only later after Dench had worked with 007 for a longer period of time. Also Daniel Craig and M shouldn't have that relationship due to the fact Casino Royale is set prior to Dr No when Bond just got promoted and also Judi Dench wouldn't have been M. More than likely it would have been a male.

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