Could Goldfinger be considered an early reboot?

osrisosris Posts: 558MI6 Agent
Could Goldfinger be considered an early reboot? It is very different to DN and FRWL, in both style and Bond’s character, in that Connery plays him with less of an edge. Also, it was the first Bond film to have a bevy of beautiful women working for the villain (Pussy Galore’s “flying circus”, or whatever they were called). Also, Odd Job was the first over-the-top cartoon-like henchman; and the finale where the US army and CIA come to help Bond, as they do in later Bond films, was first introduced here.

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  • perdoggperdogg Posts: 432MI6 Agent
    osris wrote:
    Could Goldfinger be considered an early reboot? It is very different to DN and FRWL, in both style and Bond’s character, in that Connery plays him with less of an edge. Also, it was the first Bond film to have a bevy of beautiful women working for the villain (Pussy Galore’s “flying circus”, or whatever they were called). Also, Odd Job was the first over-the-top cartoon-like henchman; and the finale where the US army and CIA come to help Bond, as they do in later Bond films, was first introduced here.

    I would prefer a reboot based on FRWL. I believe I could write a screen treatment to make it relevant today.
    "And if I told you that I'm from the Ministry of Defence?" James Bond - The Property of a Lady
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    I consider Goldfinger to be more of an evolution towards a somewhat lighter style than a reboot.
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,868Chief of Staff
    osris wrote:
    It is very different to DN and FRWL, in both style and Bond’s character

    Most of the difference is due to the change in director, with Terence Young (till the next film) being replaced with Guy Hamilton.
  • Agent007jamestAgent007jamest usaPosts: 163MI6 Agent
    Also on Goldfingers plane SC asked about his brief case & is told it did not survive. A reference to FRWL
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    I consider Goldfinger to be more of an evolution towards a somewhat lighter style than a reboot.

    I agree, it was more an evolution. A true reboot would have had someone like Charles Bronson doing Bond, and they would have let him keep his moustache.
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • osrisosris Posts: 558MI6 Agent
    I consider Goldfinger to be more of an evolution towards a somewhat lighter style than a reboot.

    I suppose so.
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,845MI6 Agent
    Yes, an evolution, there was no such thing as a reboot in 1964 - computers were all the size of a room back then. I get your point, though. Where the rot set in - leaving aside the Bond novels - focus on cars, girls, gadgetry, everything but Bond's character itself!
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    superado wrote:
    I agree, it was more an evolution. A true reboot would have had someone like Charles Bronson doing Bond, and they would have let him keep his moustache.
    :)) :)) :)) :))
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • osrisosris Posts: 558MI6 Agent
    superado wrote:
    I agree, it was more an evolution. A true reboot would have had someone like Charles Bronson doing Bond, and they would have let him keep his moustache.

    For me, Craig is a sort of Charles Bronson: emotionless, tough, serious, of few words, brooding, not very handsome, lacking charisma, short, stocky... the list could go on. ;)
  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    focus on cars, girls

    Fleming devotes HUGE amounts of time to cars and girls. If he didn't, I wouldn't have read the novels! :))

    But you do nail it with gadgetry at the expense of Bond's character although I think you start seeing that more in YOLT than GF (gadgetry at the expense of not only Bond, but also quite frankly cars as well as two of the three Bond girls!). You of course see a return to "TB style" Bond where you have a few gadgets, three cool cars (bonus is two British and one American), and MANY girls in On Her Majesty's Secret Service. But then you get DAF and you start snowballing. I don't think GF was the start of it; if it were, then there would be no TB and no OHMSS. I often think GF was more of an excuse to say "but you liked it when we did it in the past!" rather than an actual rot setting in.
    By the way, are you gonna eat that?
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    I don't know what you've been watching, but I have seen Daniel Craig's Bond show pain, fear, anger, tenderness, disappointment and several other emotions. Hardly "emotionless" if you ask me. I think Craig is a good enough actor that he is able to register those emotions without going over the top or being too theatrical about it. As far as Craig not being very handsome, I know many women (and men) who find him to be quite good-looking, but obviously their opinions, like yours, are entirely subjective. And the list could go on. Bottom line - Craig may not be your cup of tea, but he's certainly no Charles Bronson!
    osris wrote:
    superado wrote:
    I agree, it was more an evolution. A true reboot would have had someone like Charles Bronson doing Bond, and they would have let him keep his moustache.

    For me, Craig is a sort of Charles Bronson: emotionless, tough, serious, of few words, brooding, not very handsome, lacking charisma, short, stocky... the list could go on. ;)
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    edited December 2012
    I don't know what you've been watching, but I have seen Daniel Craig's Bond show pain, fear, anger, tenderness, disappointment and several other emotions. Hardly "emotionless" if you ask me. I think Craig is a good enough actor that he is able to register those emotions without going over the top or being too theatrical about it. As far as Craig not being very handsome, I know many women (and men) who find him to be quite good-looking, but obviously their opinions, like yours, are entirely subjective. And the list could go on. Bottom line - Craig may not be your cup of tea, but he's certainly no Charles Bronson!
    osris wrote:
    superado wrote:
    I agree, it was more an evolution. A true reboot would have had someone like Charles Bronson doing Bond, and they would have let him keep his moustache.

    For me, Craig is a sort of Charles Bronson: emotionless, tough, serious, of few words, brooding, not very handsome, lacking charisma, short, stocky... the list could go on. ;)

    Why knock Charles Bronson? Are we now arguing about looks in degrees? Here's another case of discrediting the "standard," and in the process of lifting DC up, Bronson get's slammed, pretty unfair. BTW, I'm not the one who mentioned the bit about DC being emotionless.

    But since I've inadvertently introduced Charles Bronson into the conversation, maybe some analysis is due. Like many leading men and action stars in their respective decades, CB was a product of his time and the tough, "emotionless" hero was very appealing during the 60s. Interestingly enough, this was not suitable for movie Bond, who was and has been presented up to even this day with a somewhat charming persona. Paradoxically, the book Bond was less expressive and the "emotionless" demeanor of a Charles Bronson (as observed by other characters) actually would have better approximated this trait. Similar actors from the period come to mind, like Alain Delon, Laurence Harvey and John Philip Law. Perhaps, this is the impression to others that Fleming had in mind while being interviewed and describing Bond as a cipher.

    What an interesting prospect; what if the Bond series was rebooted at 3 or 4 movies in, perhaps continuing even with Connery but in a quietly menacing delivery, or maybe being more repulsive like his villainous character in "A Woman of Straw." I'm sure this was the kind of acting that he yearned to do while he was playing Bond...now that would really be a worthy reboot.
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Perhaps you misunderstood - I wasn't slamming Bronson or his looks. I was merely stating that I think the comparison between Craig and Bronson is off the mark. To me, Bronson did actually appear to be pretty emotionless in most of his roles, and from what I can recall that suited the characters he played. Craig, on the other hand, does display a variety of emotions in his portrayal of Bond. But your thought about the more sinister, menancing Bond is interesting and maybe the next actor who takes over the role will play it that way. (I'd expect a big howl from a lot of fans, though!)
    superado wrote:
    I don't know what you've been watching, but I have seen Daniel Craig's Bond show pain, fear, anger, tenderness, disappointment and several other emotions. Hardly "emotionless" if you ask me. I think Craig is a good enough actor that he is able to register those emotions without going over the top or being too theatrical about it. As far as Craig not being very handsome, I know many women (and men) who find him to be quite good-looking, but obviously their opinions, like yours, are entirely subjective. And the list could go on. Bottom line - Craig may not be your cup of tea, but he's certainly no Charles Bronson!
    osris wrote:

    For me, Craig is a sort of Charles Bronson: emotionless, tough, serious, of few words, brooding, not very handsome, lacking charisma, short, stocky... the list could go on. ;)

    Why knock Charles Bronson? Are we now arguing about looks in degrees? Here's another case of discrediting the "standard," and in the process of lifting DC up, Bronson get's slammed, pretty unfair. BTW, I'm not the one who mentioned the bit about DC being emotionless.

    But since I've inadvertently introduced Charles Bronson into the conversation, maybe some analysis is due. Like many leading men and action stars in their respective decades, CB was a product of his time and the tough, "emotionless" hero was very appealing during the 60s. Interestingly enough, this was not suitable for movie Bond, who was and has been presented up to even this day with a somewhat charming persona. Paradoxically, the book Bond was less expressive and the "emotionless" demeanor of a Charles Bronson (as observed by other characters) actually would have better approximated this trait. Similar actors from the period come to mind, like Alain Delon, Laurence Harvey and John Philip Law. Perhaps, this is the impression to others that Fleming had in mind while being interviewed and describing Bond as a cipher.

    What an interesting prospect; what if the Bond series was rebooted at 3 or 4 movies in, perhaps continuing even with Connery but in a quietly menacing delivery, or maybe being more repulsive like his villainous character in "A Woman of Straw." I'm sure this was the kind of acting that he yearned to do while he was playing Bond...now that would really be a worthy reboot.
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,241MI6 Agent
    Not a reboot, but an evolution and true introduction of the bond formula that would follow throughout many years to come.
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,845MI6 Agent
    Jarvio wrote:
    Not a reboot, but an evolution and true introduction of the bond formula that would follow throughout many years to come.

    Agreed, although Dr No set some of the background up too - Goldfinger was the next most significant and defining update in the films - even AVTAK copies its entire plot structure. :)
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,406MI6 Agent
    Skyfall similar in the sense that Bond is different then the 2 films before.
    “The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. "
    -Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,845MI6 Agent
    xboy614 wrote:
    Skyfall similar in the sense that Bond is different then the 2 films before.

    Yes, a slow evocation of the echo of the James Bond of the films of old.

    That's almost poetic!
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
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