Why does Connery frown upon the Series?

AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
It's odd, considering it's what made him famous in the first place. Most James Bond Documentaries have had all of the Actors giving Interviews apart from Connery. Just look at the recent one (Forgotten it's name) to know what I mean. You think he would be a bit more Grateful towards Eon and the people who went to see his Films during his tenure as Bond.
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  • NeverSayDieNeverSayDie Posts: 495MI6 Agent
    Everything or Nothing.
    Yes I know what you mean. To be fair to him he is retired now and must have
    done a million interviews in his day.
    Sean seems to have felt he was massively underpaid for his role as Bond.
    I think I read it on the Bond on Bond book that one of the directors suggestion bringing Connery as a Partner at Eon with creative input rather than just an actor but Cubby and Harry refused.
  • Moore ThanMoore Than EnglandPosts: 3,173MI6 Agent
    Sean seems to have felt he was massively underpaid for his role as Bond.
    I think I read it on the Bond on Bond book that one of the directors suggestion bringing Connery as a Partner at Eon with creative input rather than just an actor but Cubby and Harry refused.

    It was Terence Young who suggested that Sean Connery be made a partner, but Cubby Broccoli & Harry Saltzman refused believing the character of James Bond was bigger than the actor who portrayed him. They were eventually proved right.
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    Everything or Nothing.
    Yes I know what you mean. To be fair to him he is retired now and must have
    done a million interviews in his day.
    Sean seems to have felt he was massively underpaid for his role as Bond.
    I think I read it on the Bond on Bond book that one of the directors suggestion bringing Connery as a Partner at Eon with creative input rather than just an actor but Cubby and Harry refused.

    Considering that he now living in a mansion over in Spain whilst claiming to have Scottish Independence in mind, it's hard to think that he was underpaid.
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,828MI6 Agent
    Yes, I think he's one hell of an ungrateful sod to be honest. One reason I like his films, but not the man himself very much. Plus, as a staunch unionist, I am totally opposed to his politics. -{
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  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,241MI6 Agent
    I think it's safe to assume that Connery is the biggest dick out of all the bonds in real life (Obviously going by what we've read, heard etc)
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • The Domino EffectThe Domino Effect Posts: 3,636MI6 Agent
    Love his films (apart from the awful hair, poorly-covered tattoos and his struggling attempts to hide his Scottish accent), but have no time for the man for numerous well-chronicled reasons.
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,828MI6 Agent
    Jarvio wrote:
    I think it's safe to assume that Connery is the biggest dick out of all the bonds in real life (Obviously going by what we've read, heard etc)

    I'd second that - he's no Roger Moore really, is he. Moore, the gentleman who never forgot the Bond films' impact on his career and has acted as the Grand Old Man of Bond and as the James Bond Ambassador ever since, God bless him!

    Though, I'm sure the George Lazenby of 1969-70 could give Connery a run for his money in "Biggus Dickus" status! :))
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  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    Connery wanted more input and a bigger share of the takings, Cubby and Harry said no, Connery threw his rattle.

    I can understand it when you see Connery getting hounded for autographs, and I know he buried the hatchet with Cubby before he died, but I can't help feel there's still some animosity with him and EoN.

    I just wish that Connery could be a little more like erm, Moore and remember what bond did for him. Much wants bloody more I guess.
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  • ausbondfanausbondfan Posts: 61MI6 Agent
    According to IMDB Sean made a lot of money from Bond.

    I've gone to the trouble of calculating how much he made in today's dollars

    Dr No: 20,000 in 1962. 152,000 today. 125,000 dollar bonus total is 946,000 dollars

    From Russia With Love: 250,000 in 1963 which is 1.8 million dollars in 2012

    Goldfinger: 500,000 in 1964 plus 5 percent. 3.5 million total in 1964 that's almost 26 million dollars in 2012

    Thunderball: 750,000 in 1965 which is close to 5.5 million in today's dollars

    You Only Live Twice: 1 million which is 7.3 million dollars today

    Diamonds Are Forever: 6.7 million which is 38 million dollars today

    Never Say Never Again (Which I count because he wouldn't of got the role without being the original Bond for EON): 6.4 million in 1983 which is 14.7 million today.

    Connery made more than any other Bond (Including Roger Moore) and he won't even come out for the 50 years of Bond celebrations or even talk about his time as Bond anymore?

    Lazenby who only got 400,000 for his 1 film is always happy to come out and talk about his time as Bond, Dalton who made 8 million is always happy to talk about it, Brosnan is as well as is Roger Moore.

    Connery just comes off as really greedy if IMDB is correct on the figures Connery would of made almost 100 million dollars from Bond alone (In 2012 money) and of course it launched his career thus giving him other high paid acting gigs.that he probably wouldn't of got otherwise.

    I don't want him to be like a Roger Moore but he definitely should do the major celebrations.
  • DEFIANT 74205DEFIANT 74205 Perth, AustraliaPosts: 1,881MI6 Agent
    ausbondfan wrote:
    Connery just comes off as really greedy if IMDB is correct on the figures Connery would of made almost 100 million dollars from Bond alone (In 2012 money) and of course it launched his career thus giving him other high paid acting gigs.that he probably wouldn't of got otherwise.

    I don't think it's simply a matter of money. Connery starred as Bond during the height of Bond-mania. As I understand it, part of the dispute is that Connery felt he was being used as a tool to promote the franchise, and aside from constantly being hounded by autograph hunters as minigeff referred to, he felt that this lead to him being typecast as James Bond to the detriment of his chances of securing other roles. When people saw Connery back then, they didn't see an actor playing James Bond, they saw James Bond.
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    That still does not excuse his current unwillingness to participate in Interviews, Documentaries, etc.

    Also, I don't agree with his Nationalistic Views either.
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  • DEFIANT 74205DEFIANT 74205 Perth, AustraliaPosts: 1,881MI6 Agent
    That still does not excuse his current unwillingness to participate in Interviews, Documentaries, etc.

    Also, I don't agree with his Nationalistic Views either.

    I didn't say it does. I was merely stating that I think is dispute with EON has more to do than money.

    I don't have to like his reasons nor agree with them, whatever they happen to be, but I respect his decision not to participate.
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  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    I just think it was a totally unique and wasted opportunity.

    Wouldn't it have been so great for the fans to have all the bond actors lined up together for the caneras?

    It kinda gets me how these people moan about the constant attention from the worlds press, yet this would have been totally expected when they took on the role.

    "We'd like you to be the next James Bond"

    "Oh great, I'll be able to keep it quiet though, won't I?"

    I think appearing for the 50th anniversary would have done Connery a lot more good than shunning it, but hey, he's made his money, the fans aren't important anymore and the world can go to hell can't it? I wonder if he'd feel the same if he was still lugging coal around?
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  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,241MI6 Agent
    It does get to me sometimes - how Connery comes across as such a dick in real life. I really enjoy his portrayal as bond, and he's one of my favourite bonds - but that annoys me because he's so damn ungrateful. It makes me feel that "why should we be grateful to him if he's not grateful to the franchise?"

    I know that Connery as bond and Connery in real life are different things, but the latter can actually effect our opinions on the former more than we realise...
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • JohnMastersonJohnMasterson MinnesotaPosts: 326MI6 Agent
    edited December 2012
    Jarvio wrote:
    It does get to me sometimes - how Connery comes across as such a dick in real life. I really enjoy his portrayal as bond, and he's one of my favourite bonds - but that annoys me because he's so damn ungrateful. It makes me feel that "why should we be grateful to him if he's not grateful to the franchise?"

    I know that Connery as bond and Connery in real life are different things, but the latter can actually effect our opinions on the former more than we realise...


    You guys can't even really begin to understand what Sean Connery went through because you haven't gone through it yourselves. You guys can sit here on your moral platitudes and complain about how Sean Connery bit the hand that fed him and basically told the fans to go **** themselves, but you'll never really know what Sean Connery went through because you cannot walk a mile in his shoes.
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    Look at Lazenby, only made one Film and he is always happy to do an Interview about it. Moore was also hounded because he was expected to fill some pretty big Shoes left by Connery, but he had no problem with any of it.
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  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,241MI6 Agent
    Jarvio wrote:
    It does get to me sometimes - how Connery comes across as such a dick in real life. I really enjoy his portrayal as bond, and he's one of my favourite bonds - but that annoys me because he's so damn ungrateful. It makes me feel that "why should we be grateful to him if he's not grateful to the franchise?"

    I know that Connery as bond and Connery in real life are different things, but the latter can actually effect our opinions on the former more than we realise...


    You guys can't even really begin to understand what Sean Connery went through but you haven't gone through it yourselves. You guys can sit here on your moral platitudes and complain about how Sean Connery bit the hand that fed him and basically told the fans to go **** themselves, but you'll never really know what Sean Connery went through but you can't walk a mile in his shoes.

    That's why I said he comes across as a dick, rather than he is a dick. None of us know for sure, so that's why I've said things like "from what we've heard"
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • JohnMastersonJohnMasterson MinnesotaPosts: 326MI6 Agent
    edited December 2012
    Look at Lazenby, only made one film and he is always happy to do an interview about it. Moore was also hounded because he was expected to fill some pretty big shoes left by Connery, but he had no problem with any of it.

    We all handle situations differently. And Sean Connery simply couldn't handle being scrutinized by the Japanese Paparazzi, and he couldn't handle essentially being exploited by Cubby Broccoli and Harry Saltzman. I mean the God damn Everything or Nothing documentary says it, itself.

    "And the next thing you knew they came in and said he wasn't going to do the last picture in the deal. And that did not make us happy. I mean, what would you think? Your leading man is gone, and here the series was jeopardized, that's not good news. I thought, it was very bad judgment on their part. The fact is Cubby and Harry renegotiated their deal with us several times, they were keeping themselves happy but they weren't keeping him happy."
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    I do agree with you that Broccoli and Saltzman were control Freaks, not giving anyone else any creative Credit.
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  • JohnMastersonJohnMasterson MinnesotaPosts: 326MI6 Agent
    edited December 2012
    I do agree with you that Broccoli and Saltzman were control Freaks, not giving anyone else any creative credit.

    It's like when Bob Kane came up with the concept of Batman but it wasn't the Batman we know today. It was this really gay and fruity design that looked like a late 1930's version of Adrian Veidt, (Ozymandias) from the Watchmen comics, and Bill Finger came up with a better design and eventually it evolved into what we know today when we think of Batman. But Bob Kane didn't share in the credit.

    And essentially the same thing has happened with James Bond. They never had a pure, literary, cinematic, version of James Bond, what they had was what Terence Young and Sean Connery had come up with, and like Bob Kane, Cubby Broccoli and Harry Saltzman would not share in the credit.
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,427MI6 Agent
    ausbondfan wrote:
    According to IMDB Sean made a lot of money from Bond.

    I've gone to the trouble of calculating how much he made in today's dollars

    Dr No: 20,000 in 1962. 152,000 today. 125,000 dollar bonus total is 946,000 dollars

    From Russia With Love: 250,000 in 1963 which is 1.8 million dollars in 2012

    Goldfinger: 500,000 in 1964 plus 5 percent. 3.5 million total in 1964 that's almost 26 million dollars in 2012

    Thunderball: 750,000 in 1965 which is close to 5.5 million in today's dollars

    You Only Live Twice: 1 million which is 7.3 million dollars today

    Diamonds Are Forever: 6.7 million which is 38 million dollars today

    Never Say Never Again (Which I count because he wouldn't of got the role without being the original Bond for EON): 6.4 million in 1983 which is 14.7 million today.

    Connery made more than any other Bond (Including Roger Moore) and he won't even come out for the 50 years of Bond celebrations or even talk about his time as Bond anymore?

    Lazenby who only got 400,000 for his 1 film is always happy to come out and talk about his time as Bond, Dalton who made 8 million is always happy to talk about it, Brosnan is as well as is Roger Moore.

    Connery just comes off as really greedy if IMDB is correct on the figures Connery would of made almost 100 million dollars from Bond alone (In 2012 money) and of course it launched his career thus giving him other high paid acting gigs.that he probably wouldn't of got otherwise.

    I don't want him to be like a Roger Moore but he definitely should do the major celebrations.

    Well I read that on average per film, Connery got paid less than any other Bond actor aside from Lazenby, if you adjust for inflation! NSNA doesn't count, it wasn't EON, and DAF doesn't count too much cos Connery gave £1m to charity, though he got a huge percentage of the North American gross. On that basis, bearing in mind the phenomonal success of the films in the 60s, Connery had a right to feel shortchanged. As for the whole Bond hoopla, well, Moore is better at all that and being asked daft questions he's been asked a 100 times before, not many of us would put up with that in our prime let alone in our 80s.
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  • Chrisy27Chrisy27 Posts: 52MI6 Agent
    Mendes did say that the bearded old man character in the lodge at the end of Skyfall was going to be Sean Connery but accordingly they didn't even ask him as they knew he would say, ala Duncan Bannatyne "I'm out". So they gave the role straight to Albert Finny.
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    I agree. We don't really know, and for that reason I limit my comments to the work Sean Connery put on screen as Bond. On that count, he's the best in my book. And remember - never criticize a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes. Because at least that way, you're a mile away and you've got his shoes! :))
    Jarvio wrote:
    It does get to me sometimes - how Connery comes across as such a dick in real life. I really enjoy his portrayal as bond, and he's one of my favourite bonds - but that annoys me because he's so damn ungrateful. It makes me feel that "why should we be grateful to him if he's not grateful to the franchise?"

    I know that Connery as bond and Connery in real life are different things, but the latter can actually effect our opinions on the former more than we realise...


    You guys can't even really begin to understand what Sean Connery went through because you haven't gone through it yourselves. You guys can sit here on your moral platitudes and complain about how Sean Connery bit the hand that fed him and basically told the fans to go **** themselves, but you'll never really know what Sean Connery went through because you cannot walk a mile in his shoes.
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  • positivelyshockingpositivelyshocking Posts: 53MI6 Agent
    I've often thought about this topic. Connery himself always raises the issue of money, not necessarily his wealth per se but as he said in a 1981 documentary "what I was getting in relation to what they (the producers) were getting"

    He's a Scot and the disparity clearly still annoys him, however my view is that as producers, Saltzman and Broccoli were absolutely within their rights to structure pay however they wished. They had bought the rights, formed the film and production companies, hired the crew's using their own not inconsiderable experience as producers. They were the ones who met Fleming and did the deal, who trawled the idea of a film series round the Hollywood studios and who finally did the deal Arthur Krim & David Picker at United Artists.

    Connery had an agent, why didn't he negotiate a better deal if it was so obvious that he was being wronged?

    Also I think Connery began to believe his own myth. How much worth do we attribute to John Barry or Peter Hunt's editing or the risks taken by George Leech and Bob Simmons to make Connery look good? Or the work of the production designer Ken Adam?
    I'm sure they were all well paid but in comparison to Connery it would have been a lot less and yet they all are vital parts of the Bond phenomenon.

    You can't change his mind I am willing to bet, but it is indeed sad that we couldn't see all the actors together just for one photo opportunity or hear Connery doing his own dvd commentary a la Roger Moore/Pierce Brosnan.

    If Connery were to bury the hatchet he would undoubtedly receive a lot of love from the fans.
  • Blood_StoneBlood_Stone Posts: 184MI6 Agent
    Sean Connery will always be a bitter prick. Sad to say.
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Perhaps. Still the best Bond, though.
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,828MI6 Agent
    Why? Because he's an ungrateful arsehole of course!
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  • CmdrAtticusCmdrAtticus United StatesPosts: 1,102MI6 Agent
    Connery is about 82 and retired. The Bond franchise got his career going and he'll forever be associated for that in film history but he had a successful career as an actor in a variety of roles post Bond and most of them were solid films.
    Compare that with the other actors. Lazenby could have used the franchise to
    get him into a larger career, but he pretty much tripped himself up from the start - being a model without any acting experience was just another huge handicap, whereas the other actors were already established and the Bond films only boosted their careers. However except for Brosnan and Craig, the others did not benefit further career wise from the series. Compare their film careers post Bond to Connery's. Brosnan has gotten to do a few choice films and Craig has no problem getting leads in other large, mainstream films. So Lazenby and Moore are really the only two who still like to benefit financially from making Bond related publicity appearances since they're film careers are
    over (you don't think they do this for free do you?). I know Dalton is still trying to keep his going, but he seems to have really bad agent or agents considering the non Bond films he's done. Sifting through this one can see how Connery doesn't want to associate with the franchise anymore. He's in his 80's, probably not in the best of health and is done with being in the public eye. I can understand his not wanting to do the 50th anniversary publicity storm during the past year or attending the Oscars.
    I agree he's not someone I'd want to know personally (as opposed to someone like Moore), but there it is.
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,427MI6 Agent
    He has done a few clips on Bond over the years, given his opinion and so on. This is a celebration, but if he has mixed feelings about it. It is all a bit cheesy and really he is being used to publicise the new Bond film - it is as simple as that. Just as all the old artefacts and memoribilia and BluRay revamps of yore are used to promote the new films, keep the franchise ticking over.

    Frankly, if Craig's films were to start from scratch, I don't think they'd have made it. It only works cos of the old movies, so Connery has done his bit frankly.
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