Mixed emotions about OHMSS !

FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
This week I have been trying to gain an appreciation for the 1969 Bond film On Her Majesty’s Secret Service. In a recent poll by 007 magazine, the once-underrated film was voted #1 ahead of Goldfinger and From Russia With Love. Since I’ve never been a huge fan of the film I decided I should give it another try. Several years ago I did read the Ian Fleming novel, but for now I just listened to an abridged version on audiotape to bring myself up to speed. Next I watched all the special features on the Ultimate Edition DVD and finally rewatched the film with director Peter Hunt’s commentary. Sadly, I ended up liking the film even less than I remembered.

OHMSS is a puzzlement, because I appreciate what it tried to accomplish by following the novel and adding a sensitive side to James Bond. I salute the hardcore Bond fans in the 70’s who wrote to Cubby expressing their admiration for the film and begged for the series to revert to a more realistic tone and follow the original Fleming novels. Sounds good right? Read on.

OHMSS joins the prestigious company of Dr. No and From Russia With Love as being the most faithful to Fleming’s Bond. Although, where FRWL is a tense and realistic cold war thriller, OHMSS has ridiculous over-the-top plot that would be better suited for a lavish Roger Moore escapade. Blofeld’s plan of brainwashing girls to wreck havoc on England’s livestock is total crap.
Even Peter Hunt admitted in the DVD commentary that the plot was “nonsense” and the hypnosis scenes were “corny.” Although, Hunt seems pleased that he managed to pull them off “convincingly.” Unfortunately, the interior sets in the film look terrible and far from convincing. Bright purple or bright green colors dominate the design and end up resembling a cheesy episode of Star Trek. The Piz Gloria filled with beautiful women reminds me of Octopussy’s exotic island or Drax’s studfarm in Moonraker. Yet neither of these films ever draws much comparison to Fleming.

The OHMSS pre-title sequence is one of the worst in the series. It begins looking like a cigarette commercial with excessive closeups of Bond smoking. Tracy wanders into the ocean, but her head never actually dips underwater. So why is she unconscious when Bond carries her back? Who are the henchmen that attack Bond? This is never explained. In the novel, this scene makes more sense because it took place after the gambling scene and the henchmen were the same ones who escorted Bond to meet Tracy’s father. Fortunately, the PTS is not a total loss because it was reworked and improved for better scenes such as the dune buggy attack in For Your Eyes Only and the recreational car chase in Goldeneye.

OHMSS has several very strong points. The soundtrack is topnotch and the instrumental title song blows me away every time. Very suspenseful safecracking scene without a word of dialog. Remote mountain fortress in the Swiss Alps is cool as hell. Wedding scene was very well done and the Aston Martin DB8 looks terrific in flowers. Ending breaks my heart every time. (Nevermind the bullet hole in the front windshield would be impossible for that drive-by shooting.)

However, the real centerpiece is the skiing and bobsledding chases. Bond films have a long lineage of great winter action scenes and it all started with OHMSS. Willy Bogner’s brilliant and exciting handheld work combined with the helicopter mounted harness resulted in the most stunning ski chase scenes ever. Fortunately for 007 fans, Bogner would contribute other exceptional winter action scenes in TSWLM, FYEO, and AVTAK.

Peter Hunt said, “Sean Connery is NOT James Bond. James Bond is James Bond.” Despite this confident claim, there are many direct references to past Connery films. I’m willing to overlook this because I can appreciate the uncertainty about a new actor in the role.

Lazenby’s tall slender frame looked quite dapper in a suit. He dressed very sharply in some scenes, but overall donned the most unfortunate clothing ever seen in a Bond film: The tan jumpsuit with an orange turtleneck is flat out ugly. The white frilly shirts are laughable. Blue spandex tights were okay. The kilt was ridiculous enough, but seeing it drop to the floor really went too far! How many of his outfits were parodied in Austin Powers?

Phrases that describe George Lazenby’s Bond in OHMSS film are along the lines of “more human” “more serious” and “more emotional” However, aside from the tragic ending I find him to exhibit all the usual 007 traits in a rather disappointing fashion.

Snobbery: “Royal Beluga...North of the Caspian!”

Sexism: “Please stay alive...at least for tonight”

Know-it-all: “Unusually small for a Nymphalis pholychloris.” (note- No offense M, but butterfly collecting is about the stupidest hobby ever. Beautiful specimen, let’s kill it.)

One Liners: “He had lots of guts” (note- In the novel the red snow made Bond’s stomach turn)

The most human characterization of Bond we have ever seen is Roger Moore in A View to a Kill when he cooks an omelet, fixes the electricity, and then sleeps in a chair with a shotgun to guard the girl. Lazenby’s Bond did nothing that made me identify with him as a real human being or even root for his character.

Bond is supposed to be in love right? That was established by the romantic montage showing the two starry eyed lovers spending quality time together. Yet, as soon as Bond arrives at Piz Gloria he is eager to sleep with other girls. We are now entering a bizarre bachelor party fantasy for Bond. No sooner has he left Ruby’s bedroom then he is already bedding another beauty in his own room. Several other affairs are implied after the curling match as if he had them all scheduled for sex appointments. This shameless unfaithful behavior undermines the entire love story with Tracy. Imagine if Bond managed to resist sleeping with any of the beauties? That would have really impressed the hell out of me and made his relationship with Tracy much stronger. Like “Damn, 007 really is in love!”

While the first three Bond films remain firmly on my short list of favorites, I flat out don't understand how OHMSS can even be considered the best of the entire series.
My current 10 favorite:

1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
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  • LastRatStandingLastRatStanding ScotlandPosts: 296MI6 Agent
    Personally I thought the PTS was really good; the stylish intro for Lazenby, not seeing his face etc. I thought he looked pretty intriguing while he was driving - the bumchin close up was something else :p And I don't see how a close up of Bond smoking looks too much like a cigarette advert as the point was to not reveal Bonds face yet - remember this is Lazenbys big intro for perhaps a run of 7 films. The fight scene is good, very exciting but I do agree the book explains it better and there is no reason for Tracy to be as weak as she comes across when Bond catches up to her (it almost looks like Bond himself knocks her out so he can carry her away from the sea).

    Yep - the soundtrack is awesome. It's always been a stand out score for me and the opening titles song is a classic. The ending too is classic - a real memorable Bond moment which displays a real change in emotion for a Bond flick and some of Lazenbys best acting. I've actually never questioned Lazenby's acting and don't really understand why it gets dissed so much!

    As for your views on the ski scenes, you're absolutely right. The entire ski chase scene from Bond escaping Piz Gloria to meeting Tracy at the Ice rink to driving to the barn and proposing to getting caught in the avalanche is really amazing and probably one of my favourite Bond sections of all time. Yes it's not quite like the book in ways but it's perfect for the film and I really can't fault it!

    As for your Quotes I can imagine Fleming's bond suggesting snobbery in mostly the same ways that Lazenby does in the film, perhaps not with the Butterfly thing but still. The "Please stay alive.. at least for the night" line is a direct quote from the book if i remember correctly. There is a slight issue with the one liners as I dont think Lazenby has enough charm to pull most of them off but it doesn't bother me much.

    Overall OHMSS is rightfully respected by most. It's not my favourite Bond film but it sure is close.
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  • don pdon p Posts: 607MI6 Agent
    i always enjoy this movie, and its been spoke of alot on the forum, for me the best bits of the film are the winter/snow bits when bond meets tracey, she is lovely and the legs bit when she stops infront of bond is great, the music is fab, but,, some og the clothes are boderline awful, it was great to see M,s house, i didnt like the parts of the film where they seemed to show connory as gone and made a point of it like "the other fella didnt have this much fun" or when bond is packing his desk out,
  • SherbrookSherbrook Melbourne AustraliaPosts: 137MI6 Agent
    Don't forget that the movie came out in 1969 and the clothing belongs to that swinging 60s period, frilly shirts and all

    I think that the film is one of the best for non-stop action and features a huge cast of attractive women

    Lazenby seems to be in on the joke with the far-fetched hypnosis plot

    BTW ,as Sir Hilary he breaks with tradition and drinks a malt whisky and branch water
    I must be dreaming
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    Totally agree with Firemass. OHMSS is a very mixed bag. A lot of the corny stuff Connery could have pulled off, he had a real actor's skill, but much of the dialogue only Connery could get away with it, because he made it look like he was sending it up a bit. 'That would be perfectly satisfactory...' in GF for instance. Lazenby doesn't get that.

    Agree that the romance thing never really worked, though they could have made it work, by making it all about Bond's last shallow flings in Piz Gloria. As it is, they do seem rather seedy but not in a good way.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    My views on OHMSS are more in line with the views of LastRatStanding than Firemass. However, I absolutely agree with Firemass about Bond's indiscriminate womanizing at the Piz Gloria when he was allegedly so in love with Tracy. That's one thing that has always bothered me about the film. It's still one of my top Bonds, though.
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:
    Bond is supposed to be in love right? That was established by the romantic montage showing the two starry eyed lovers spending quality time together. Yet, as soon as Bond arrives at Piz Gloria he is eager to sleep with other girls. We are now entering a bizarre bachelor party fantasy for Bond. No sooner has he left Ruby’s bedroom then he is already bedding another beauty in his own room. Several other affairs are implied after the curling match as if he had them all scheduled for sex appointments. This shameless unfaithful behavior undermines the entire love story with Tracy. Imagine if Bond managed to resist sleeping with any of the beauties? That would have really impressed the hell out of me and made his relationship with Tracy much stronger. Like “Damn, 007 really is in love!”
    ^^^THIS!!!!! 8-)
    Always bothered me as well.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    Another flaw, personally I can't get turned on by any of the women in OHMSS, Rigg included (who does turn me on in The Avengers). Bar that bird who goes 'He loves you very much Tracey' in Corsica or something, she's a fox.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,406MI6 Agent
    edited January 2013
    Another flaw, personally I can't get turned on by any of the women in OHMSS, Rigg included (who does turn me on in The Avengers). Bar that bird who goes 'He loves you very much Tracey' in Corsica or something, she's a fox.
    Just watch OP next and you'll be fine
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    Who or what is IP?
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,406MI6 Agent
    Op
    “The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. "
    -Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
  • jeffchjeffch Posts: 163MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:
    Peter Hunt said, “Sean Connery is NOT James Bond. James Bond is James Bond.” Despite this confident claim, there are many direct references to past Connery films. I’m willing to overlook this because I can appreciate the uncertainty about a new actor in the role

    I believe these references were added in just to assure the audience that this was the same character from the previous films. Not to make reference to Connery himself.

    OHMSS is easily one of my favorite Bonds, but yes its not with out its flaws. However when its good its great. From the ski escape form Piz Gloria to the end, its perfect IMO. Also I love the safe cracking scene. But I always find myself skipping over the Bond Tracy falling in love sequence.
  • CmdrAtticusCmdrAtticus United StatesPosts: 1,102MI6 Agent
    My views on OHMSS are more in line with the views of LastRatStanding than Firemass. However, I absolutely agree with Firemass about Bond's indiscriminate womanizing at the Piz Gloria when he was allegedly so in love with Tracy. That's one thing that has always bothered me about the film. It's still one of my top Bonds, though.

    I've always put Bond's seduction of the different girls as just his cold blooded attempt at finding out what Blofeld was really up to. In a strange way he figured he was giving them a pleasurable one night stand (that they obviously were not reluctant to have) in exchange for getting more intel. There's obviously a lot of moral juggling going on here considering his relationship with Tracy, but one has to keep in mind that in those situations his instinct is to get his job done as well as to stay alive long enough to finish it. We can be offended by his choice, but remember he was getting info through seducing at the risk of getting caught and killed and in fact he was caught and was almost killed.
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    And of course, those were more liberated times then...

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    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    in the book it seemed like Bond was getting more intel from the girls under the guise of researching their surnames and family backgrounds, whereas the sex was just for recreation.
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • ChromeJobChromeJob Durham, NC USAPosts: 149MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:
    in the book it seemed like Bond was getting more intel from the girls under the guise of researching their surnames and family backgrounds, whereas the sex was just for recreation.
    Exactly, and in fact the point he's at Piz Gloria, he's only just musing about life with Tracy ... she'd sent him a card from the Betty Ford "get your **** together" type clinic ... not the near-engagement they're on in the film. It's a bit of an odd note in film, but what the hey, it's a m-o-v-i-e.

    Let's leave Savile out of this discussion. Someone should've shot that sicko's testicles off decades ago.
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  • toddthatchertoddthatcher ohioPosts: 74MI6 Agent
    Firemass - couldn't agree more. Here's my thoughts on OHMSS:

    http://toddmthatcher.wordpress.com/2013/01/01/the-007-files-on-her-majestys-secret-service/
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    8-) instead of flogging your blog - why don't you explain what you mean?
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    Firemass - couldn't agree more. Here's my thoughts on OHMSS:

    http://toddmthatcher.wordpress.com/2013/01/01/the-007-files-on-her-majestys-secret-service/

    I'm glad you mentioned the dinner sequence. "Bizarre" is a good word for it. Especially the African women eating the banana. yikes!
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:
    "Bizarre" is a good word for it. Especially the African women eating the banana. yikes!
    That's straight up ignorant racism as humour. Not funny, but I let it slide given the era... sort of.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    I agree. It was racist and very disappointing. Even for that era.
    chrisisall wrote:
    Firemass wrote:
    "Bizarre" is a good word for it. Especially the African women eating the banana. yikes!
    That's straight up ignorant racism as humour. Not funny, but I let it slide given the era... sort of.
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I don't know if this has been posted before.
    OHMSS On her Majesty's secret service deleted missing scene Rooftop chase

    http://youtu.be/-Tr8pWfXi3s

    It ends with a mention of the Tube train filled with Dead People, Q had
    set up s a cover for The death of Blofelds henchman.
    ( Which also gets a mention on the "Sherlock" DVD comentaries, as an Idea
    they took and did in an Aircraft )
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    I don't know if this has been posted before.
    OHMSS On her Majesty's secret service deleted missing scene Rooftop chase

    http://youtu.be/-Tr8pWfXi3s

    It ends with a mention of the Tube train filled with Dead People, Q had
    set up s a cover for The death of Blofelds henchman.
    Wow, fascinating!!! Thanks!
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    can't see it here in Germany :(
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • MANDY1MANDY1 TISPosts: 2,608MI6 Agent
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tr8pWfXi3s

    Try that link Mr. Toys ;)

    I think the stills for the flick have been taken from 007 Magazine...not sure though .
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    Thanks, Mandy - can't access it as well
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Bondtoys wrote:
    Thanks, Mandy - can't access it as well
    Are you blocking?
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    no, it says, that my area is not setup for viewing the clip.... :(

    And just for the record: My region is not a hollowed-out volcano - just if someone asks :D
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    It's just a series of the stills that survive from the rooftop chase.
    Which I'm sure the likes of Bondtoys would of already seen. So
    you needn't get too disappointed, ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    Good stuff, rather convoluted for a film that was already going to be too long. Faking a train smash! And it makes no sense anyway if Blofeld was on to Bond at that point, or maybe he was just checking up on Bray's trustworthiness.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    Received the clip, thanks Teppo :x
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
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