Convince Me of Craig

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  • RogueAgent007RogueAgent007 Corn-fed central USPosts: 154MI6 Agent
    edited March 2013
    Has it occurred to you that part of the reason Craig was chosen was because of the darker, edgier tone the producers and writers were going for? They realized that it would take a different caliber of actor to play the role the way they envisioned and they felt Craig fit the bill. Just because something is written in the script doesn't mean every actor will be able to successfully translate it to the screen. That's why it's a bit of a thin argument to say that the scripts "made" Craig. Look, it's obvious you don't think much of Craig as Bond, and that's fine. But it's equally obvious that nothing anyone says will change your mind, so I'm not sure where you're going with this "convince me of Craig""thread. No offense, but what's the point?

    What's the word I'm looking for...oh yes: bullsh*t!
    Craig is acknowledged by fellow actors as one of the best of his generation. Besides, QoS is not exactly a fan favourite. If you don't like Craig, fine! Just don't try to slag him off with bad arguments.

    1: There is a certain level of professional courtesy in those statements that must be accounted for. For the most part, actors don't bad mouth fellow actors because they might have to work along side them sometime and that's a bad foot to start off on.

    2. Read the posts man, Brosnan's biggest criticism is the silliness which made its way back into the series under his tenure. That was written in. The biggest plus(to some) in Craig's portrayal is the dark edginess and brooding nature. Also written in.

    I appreciate you asking. I was coming to that. I have a tendency to goes against the grain. When I see something hyped to the max, I begin to drop it in my book. It has in the past been an obstacle to me and I suspect that is what has happened. I've seen Craig touted as the greatest Bond ever, and I don't agree. What I'm trying to decipher is if my mental block is kicking in and blocking me from seeing all the angles. This thread has helped me with that. While I probably will never see eye to eye with you BL about him, I have come to appreciate that some of what has been done in these last three has been more of a journey than I realized. I kept seeing them as individual films, like the classics. I realize they aren't now. I have determined to watch Craig's films again with this in mind.

    I've missed the balance we saw with Connery, Dalton, and Brosnan. But maybe that's the point. What you've helped me see is that these last three movies are leading up to the Bond I love. You've given me reason for hope in this reboot, which has been really hard on me.

    I respect all your opinions and I apologize if I've stepped on toes here. That was not my intention. I was trying to understand what I was missing when so many love him and I don't. Trying to understand why I had to be talked into seeing Sky fall. Why I felt like a fan left behind. I feel better about it and who knows...maybe I'll even come to appreciate DC more.

    From one fan to another I thank all of you.
    Beg your pardon, forgot to knock...
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Trying to understand why I had to be talked into seeing Sky fall. Why I felt like a fan left behind. I feel better about it and who knows...maybe I'll even come to appreciate DC more.
    DC is my least favourite Bond. Much like my pinky is my least favourite finger.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • RogueAgent007RogueAgent007 Corn-fed central USPosts: 154MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Trying to understand why I had to be talked into seeing Sky fall. Why I felt like a fan left behind. I feel better about it and who knows...maybe I'll even come to appreciate DC more.
    DC is my least favourite Bond. Much like my pinky is my least favourite finger.

    You have six fingers? Are you Count Rogen? Beware of Spaniards with swords, my friend. LOL. -{
    Beg your pardon, forgot to knock...
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    You have six fingers?
    No sir, I have ten. :v
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • RogueAgent007RogueAgent007 Corn-fed central USPosts: 154MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    You have six fingers?
    No sir, I have ten. :v

    LOL, sorry for the gratuitous Princess Bride reference. I'm in a weird mood
    Beg your pardon, forgot to knock...
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    I'm in a weird mood
    Incontheevable.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Distorted HumorDistorted Humor Posts: 66MI6 Agent
    Nothing better then a MLT.....
    1 - GE, 2 - DN, 3 - CR, 4 - GF, 5 - FYEO, 6 - TLD, 7 - SF, 8 - FRWL, 9 - LALD, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - LTK, 12 - OP, 13 - YOLT, 14 - TB, 15 - MR, 16 - TWINE, 17 - OHMSS, 18 - TND, 19 - DAD, 20 - TMWTGG, 21 - AVTAK, 22 - DAF, 23 - QoS
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    I appreciate your thoughtful response, fellow fan. For a while I thought maybe you were just trolling, but I have come to realize that you are genuinely struggling to see something in Craig's Bond that others like myself have come to admire. Maybe you'll never get there, but that's okay. After all, I STILL don't understand the love for Roger Moore! -{
    Has it occurred to you that part of the reason Craig was chosen was because of the darker, edgier tone the producers and writers were going for? They realized that it would take a different caliber of actor to play the role the way they envisioned and they felt Craig fit the bill. Just because something is written in the script doesn't mean every actor will be able to successfully translate it to the screen. That's why it's a bit of a thin argument to say that the scripts "made" Craig. Look, it's obvious you don't think much of Craig as Bond, and that's fine. But it's equally obvious that nothing anyone says will change your mind, so I'm not sure where you're going with this "convince me of Craig""thread. No offense, but what's the point?

    1: There is a certain level of professional courtesy in those statements that must be accounted for. For the most part, actors don't bad mouth fellow actors because they might have to work along side them sometime and that's a bad foot to start off on.

    2. Read the posts man, Brosnan's biggest criticism is the silliness which made its way back into the series under his tenure. That was written in. The biggest plus(to some) in Craig's portrayal is the dark edginess and brooding nature. Also written in.

    I appreciate you asking. I was coming to that. I have a tendency to goes against the grain. When I see something hyped to the max, I begin to drop it in my book. It has in the past been an obstacle to me and I suspect that is what has happened. I've seen Craig touted as the greatest Bond ever, and I don't agree. What I'm trying to decipher is if my mental block is kicking in and blocking me from seeing all the angles. This thread has helped me with that. While I probably will never see eye to eye with you BL about him, I have come to appreciate that some of what has been done in these last three has been more of a journey than I realized. I kept seeing them as individual films, like the classics. I realize they aren't now. I have determined to watch Craig's films again with this in mind.

    I've missed the balance we saw with Connery, Dalton, and Brosnan. But maybe that's the point. What you've helped me see is that these last three movies are leading up to the Bond I love. You've given me reason for hope in this reboot, which has been really hard on me.

    I respect all your opinions and I apologize if I've stepped on toes here. That was not my intention. I was trying to understand what I was missing when so many love him and I don't. Trying to understand why I had to be talked into seeing Sky fall. Why I felt like a fan left behind. I feel better about it and who knows...maybe I'll even come to appreciate DC more.

    From one fan to another I thank all of you.
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    After all, I STILL don't understand the love for Roger Moore! -{ e
    He held Bond in place through the dark times in his 'Saintly' way! ;)
    And he had his moments IMO. -{
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    I appreciate your thoughtful response, fellow fan. For a while I thought maybe you were just trolling, but I have come to realize that you are genuinely struggling to see something in Craig's Bond that others like myself have come to admire. Maybe you'll never get there, but that's okay. After all, I STILL don't understand the love for Roger Moore! -{
    Has it occurred to you that part of the reason Craig was chosen was because of the darker, edgier tone the producers and writers were going for? They realized that it would take a different caliber of actor to play the role the way they envisioned and they felt Craig fit the bill. Just because something is written in the script doesn't mean every actor will be able to successfully translate it to the screen. That's why it's a bit of a thin argument to say that the scripts "made" Craig. Look, it's obvious you don't think much of Craig as Bond, and that's fine. But it's equally obvious that nothing anyone says will change your mind, so I'm not sure where you're going with this "convince me of Craig""thread. No offense, but what's the point?

    I appreciate you asking. I was coming to that. I have a tendency to goes against the grain. When I see something hyped to the max, I begin to drop it in my book. It has in the past been an obstacle to me and I suspect that is what has happened. I've seen Craig touted as the greatest Bond ever, and I don't agree. What I'm trying to decipher is if my mental block is kicking in and blocking me from seeing all the angles. This thread has helped me with that. While I probably will never see eye to eye with you BL about him, I have come to appreciate that some of what has been done in these last three has been more of a journey than I realized. I kept seeing them as individual films, like the classics. I realize they aren't now. I have determined to watch Craig's films again with this in mind.

    I've missed the balance we saw with Connery, Dalton, and Brosnan. But maybe that's the point. What you've helped me see is that these last three movies are leading up to the Bond I love. You've given me reason for hope in this reboot, which has been really hard on me.

    I respect all your opinions and I apologize if I've stepped on toes here. That was not my intention. I was trying to understand what I was missing when so many love him and I don't. Trying to understand why I had to be talked into seeing Sky fall. Why I felt like a fan left behind. I feel better about it and who knows...maybe I'll even come to appreciate DC more.

    From one fan to another I thank all of you.

    BL, didn't you think Youknowthename's "bullsh*t" response was closer to trolling? I didn't see you object to his rude post. I also didn't notice anything unreasonably said by RogueAgent007. Do you define trolling here as anything negative being mentioned about Craig?

    On what you said about EON hiring DC because they needed a "better" actor to pull off the grittier reboot, do you know anything conclusive about that? Based on early casting rumors via alleged EON crew on this very board, Clive Owen was the strongest contender with negotiations supposedly falling through, but the consideration for Owen and eventual hiring of Craig makes sense about the particular direction EON wanted with the reboot...so, its possible they considered Craig because Owen helped set the particular flavor of what they were looking for.

    As for being a superior actor for a rebooted role that the other contenders weren't qualified for, where are the best actor awards? I'm not saying DC is not a great actor, but I don't think he runs circles around the other Bond actors as some would like to think.
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • Distorted HumorDistorted Humor Posts: 66MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    After all, I STILL don't understand the love for Roger Moore! -{ e
    He held Bond in place through the dark times in his 'Saintly' way! ;)
    And he had his moments IMO. -{

    Moore, for being a "funny bond" still has some of the most memeorbal kills, two that pop in my head are knocking the guy off the roof in TSWLM and kicking the car in FYEO.
    1 - GE, 2 - DN, 3 - CR, 4 - GF, 5 - FYEO, 6 - TLD, 7 - SF, 8 - FRWL, 9 - LALD, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - LTK, 12 - OP, 13 - YOLT, 14 - TB, 15 - MR, 16 - TWINE, 17 - OHMSS, 18 - TND, 19 - DAD, 20 - TMWTGG, 21 - AVTAK, 22 - DAF, 23 - QoS
  • RogueAgent007RogueAgent007 Corn-fed central USPosts: 154MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    After all, I STILL don't understand the love for Roger Moore! -{ e
    He held Bond in place through the dark times in his 'Saintly' way! ;)
    And he had his moments IMO. -{

    Moore, for being a "funny bond" still has some of the most memeorbal kills, two that pop in my head are knocking the guy off the roof in TSWLM and kicking the car in FYEO.

    True! My favorite Moore moment is the PTS(finally figured that one out!) for TSWLM. Skiing off that cliff was epic!
    Beg your pardon, forgot to knock...
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    First of all, the reason I initially thought RogueAgent007 might have been trolling is because I thought he was being unreasonable harsh about Craig's looks and all. However, as the thread developed I was able to discern a more thoughtful approach to his questions and concerns about Craig and I began to take him seriously. Second, I felt that the comments by youknowmyname weren't worthy of response, so I didn't respond. As for your notion that I somehow define any criticism of Craig as trolling, I have no idea where you are getting that from. I have seen many critical things said about Craig in this forum because, let's face it he's not everyone's cup of tea. But I defy you to show me where I have ever accused anyone of trolling because they were critical of Craig. I also never said that EON hired Craig because he is a better actor than anyone else. What I said was that perhaps they were looking for a different "caliber" of actor who could better convey the darker shades of Bond. I don't profess to have any inside information or insight about the circumstances that led to Craig's hiring. I merely asked if RogueAgent007 had ever considered that angle. Maybe I'm not very good at making myself clear sometimes, but I hope this gives you a better idea of where I'm coming from.
    superado wrote:
    I appreciate your thoughtful response, fellow fan. For a while I thought maybe you were just trolling, but I have come to realize that you are genuinely struggling to see something in Craig's Bond that others like myself have come to admire. Maybe you'll never get there, but that's okay. After all, I STILL don't understand the love for Roger Moore! -{

    I appreciate you asking. I was coming to that. I have a tendency to goes against the grain. When I see something hyped to the max, I begin to drop it in my book. It has in the past been an obstacle to me and I suspect that is what has happened. I've seen Craig touted as the greatest Bond ever, and I don't agree. What I'm trying to decipher is if my mental block is kicking in and blocking me from seeing all the angles. This thread has helped me with that. While I probably will never see eye to eye with you BL about him, I have come to appreciate that some of what has been done in these last three has been more of a journey than I realized. I kept seeing them as individual films, like the classics. I realize they aren't now. I have determined to watch Craig's films again with this in mind.

    I've missed the balance we saw with Connery, Dalton, and Brosnan. But maybe that's the point. What you've helped me see is that these last three movies are leading up to the Bond I love. You've given me reason for hope in this reboot, which has been really hard on me.

    I respect all your opinions and I apologize if I've stepped on toes here. That was not my intention. I was trying to understand what I was missing when so many love him and I don't. Trying to understand why I had to be talked into seeing Sky fall. Why I felt like a fan left behind. I feel better about it and who knows...maybe I'll even come to appreciate DC more.

    From one fan to another I thank all of you.

    BL, didn't you think Youknowthename's "bullsh*t" response was closer to trolling? I didn't see you object to his rude post. I also didn't notice anything unreasonably said by RogueAgent007. Do you define trolling here as anything negative being mentioned about Craig?

    On what you said about EON hiring DC because they needed a "better" actor to pull off the grittier reboot, do you know anything conclusive about that? Based on early casting rumors via alleged EON crew on this very board, Clive Owen was the strongest contender with negotiations supposedly falling through, but the consideration for Owen and eventual hiring of Craig makes sense about the particular direction EON wanted with the reboot...so, its possible they considered Craig because Owen helped set the particular flavor of what they were looking for.

    As for being a superior actor for a rebooted role that the other contenders weren't qualified for, where are the best actor awards? I'm not saying DC is not a great actor, but I don't think he runs circles around the other Bond actors as some would like to think.
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • RogueAgent007RogueAgent007 Corn-fed central USPosts: 154MI6 Agent
    First of all, the reason I initially thought RogueAgent007 might have been trolling is because I thought he was being unreasonable harsh about Craig's looks and all. However, as the thread developed I was able to discern a more thoughtful approach to his questions and concerns about Craig and I began to take him seriously. Second, I felt that the comments by youknowmyname weren't worthy of response, so I didn't respond. As for your notion that I somehow define any criticism of Craig as trolling, I have no idea where you are getting that from. I have seen many critical things said about Craig in this forum because, let's face it he's not everyone's cup of tea. But I defy you to show me where I have ever accused anyone of trolling because they were critical of Craig. I also never said that EON hired Craig because he is a better actor than anyone else. What I said was that perhaps they were looking for a different "caliber" of actor who could better convey the darker shades of Bond. I don't profess to have any inside information or insight about the circumstances that led to Craig's hiring. I merely asked if RogueAgent007 had ever considered that angle. Maybe I'm not very good at making myself clear sometimes, but I hope this gives you a better idea of where I'm coming from.
    superado wrote:
    I appreciate your thoughtful response, fellow fan. For a while I thought maybe you were just trolling, but I have come to realize that you are genuinely struggling to see something in Craig's Bond that others like myself have come to admire. Maybe you'll never get there, but that's okay. After all, I STILL don't understand the love for Roger Moore! -{

    BL, didn't you think Youknowthename's "bullsh*t" response was closer to trolling? I didn't see you object to his rude post. I also didn't notice anything unreasonably said by RogueAgent007. Do you define trolling here as anything negative being mentioned about Craig?

    On what you said about EON hiring DC because they needed a "better" actor to pull off the grittier reboot, do you know anything conclusive about that? Based on early casting rumors via alleged EON crew on this very board, Clive Owen was the strongest contender with negotiations supposedly falling through, but the consideration for Owen and eventual hiring of Craig makes sense about the particular direction EON wanted with the reboot...so, its possible they considered Craig because Owen helped set the particular flavor of what they were looking for.

    As for being a superior ac 8-) tor for a rebooted role that the other contenders weren't qualified for, where are the best actor awards? I'm not saying DC is not a great actor, but I don't think he runs circles around the other Bond actors as some would like to think.

    FYI. I took no offense. I know I am harsh with Craig and I do tend to rant a bit. Well..more than a bit 8-) . As to name's comments, whether they were trolling or not is not for me to say. He was trying to defend a position, so as far as I'm concerned, we're good.

    For that matter, I would sit with any of you over a pint, or a Vesper, and discuss these, or any other point of JB, anytime. Just understand that I may occasionally need to be reined in sometimes... :))
    Beg your pardon, forgot to knock...
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    As Pierce Brosnan said in the Bond Story DVD, "Everybody has their guy."

    (in response to various criticism like Oh he's not Sean Connery etc"
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    No problem, Rogue. The important thing is that we're all Bond fans. Looking forward to your continuing contributions to the forum. -{
    First of all, the reason I initially thought RogueAgent007 might have been trolling is because I thought he was being unreasonable harsh about Craig's looks and all. However, as the thread developed I was able to discern a more thoughtful approach to his questions and concerns about Craig and I began to take him seriously. Second, I felt that the comments by youknowmyname weren't worthy of response, so I didn't respond. As for your notion that I somehow define any criticism of Craig as trolling, I have no idea where you are getting that from. I have seen many critical things said about Craig in this forum because, let's face it he's not everyone's cup of tea. But I defy you to show me where I have ever accused anyone of trolling because they were critical of Craig. I also never said that EON hired Craig because he is a better actor than anyone else. What I said was that perhaps they were looking for a different "caliber" of actor who could better convey the darker shades of Bond. I don't profess to have any inside information or insight about the circumstances that led to Craig's hiring. I merely asked if RogueAgent007 had ever considered that angle. Maybe I'm not very good at making myself clear sometimes, but I hope this gives you a better idea of where I'm coming from.
    superado wrote:

    BL, didn't you think Youknowthename's "bullsh*t" response was closer to trolling? I didn't see you object to his rude post. I also didn't notice anything unreasonably said by RogueAgent007. Do you define trolling here as anything negative being mentioned about Craig?

    On what you said about EON hiring DC because they needed a "better" actor to pull off the grittier reboot, do you know anything conclusive about that? Based on early casting rumors via alleged EON crew on this very board, Clive Owen was the strongest contender with negotiations supposedly falling through, but the consideration for Owen and eventual hiring of Craig makes sense about the particular direction EON wanted with the reboot...so, its possible they considered Craig because Owen helped set the particular flavor of what they were looking for.

    As for being a superior ac 8-) tor for a rebooted role that the other contenders weren't qualified for, where are the best actor awards? I'm not saying DC is not a great actor, but I don't think he runs circles around the other Bond actors as some would like to think.

    FYI. I took no offense. I know I am harsh with Craig and I do tend to rant a bit. Well..more than a bit 8-) . As to name's comments, whether they were trolling or not is not for me to say. He was trying to defend a position, so as far as I'm concerned, we're good.

    For that matter, I would sit with any of you over a pint, or a Vesper, and discuss these, or any other point of JB, anytime. Just understand that I may occasionally need to be reined in sometimes... :))
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Now, can we all agree that TMWTGG is Roger's best Bond? :D
    :v
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Nope! That would be FYEO. -{
    chrisisall wrote:
    Now, can we all agree that TMWTGG is Roger's best Bond? :D
    :v
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Nope! That would be FYEO. -{
    chrisisall wrote:
    Now, can we all agree that TMWTGG is Roger's best Bond? :D
    :v
    Hey- I took a shot. ;)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • RogueAgent007RogueAgent007 Corn-fed central USPosts: 154MI6 Agent
    I'm coming up to TMWTGG in my marathon w/ my kids. I'll give you my verdict after that.
    Beg your pardon, forgot to knock...
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    I'm coming up to TMWTGG in my marathon w/ my kids. I'll give you my verdict after that.
    We'll see if you can bump it up a place or two. ;)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Can't blame you for that! :007)
    chrisisall wrote:
    Nope! That would be FYEO. -{
    chrisisall wrote:
    Now, can we all agree that TMWTGG is Roger's best Bond? :D
    :v
    Hey- I took a shot. ;)
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Back on topic with Craig, I think that his writing participation during QOS' production & writer's strike problems proves that he's not only a good Bond, but among the finest. No other actor besides Dalton has had as much impact on the final result, and for that alone you HAVE to respect the dude.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • zaphodzaphod Posts: 1,183MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Back on topic with Craig, I think that his writing participation during QOS' production & writer's strike problems proves that he's not only a good Bond, but among the finest. No other actor besides Dalton has had as much impact on the final result, and for that alone you HAVE to respect the dude.

    Only if you respect the outcome.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    zaphod wrote:
    Only if you respect the outcome.
    You can respect the work without necessarily liking it IMO.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Good point.
    chrisisall wrote:
    zaphod wrote:
    Only if you respect the outcome.
    You can respect the work without necessarily liking it IMO.
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote :
    You can respect the work without necessarily liking it IMO.

    I agree and Fall into this group. :))
    I'm not a fan of QOS but do accept that Craig did his Best to help
    with the script.
    So I do respect him for his efforts, But Don't like the outcome. :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • kissarmy71kissarmy71 Posts: 8MI6 Agent
    I agree with the initial question/post - I don't see anything in Craig either :(
  • KKwheelchairKKwheelchair BathurstPosts: 153MI6 Agent
    i agree that Craig is not the best bond but he's movies are good once you get past him he is the opposite of Brosnan given good movies but can't play the role well while Brosnan was given bad or average movies most of the time but played Bond well
    "You know what's great about you English Octopussy man I must seen that movie, Twice" -the simpsons
  • Mr_OsatoMr_Osato Posts: 398MI6 Agent
    I can relate to the opening poster. To me there are 2 Bonds that perfectly fit the bill:

    - Connery. He has it all: Sexiness, Body, face, suaveness, humor. You can see that he brings danger with him, that he can adapt to any situation being in a casino or in a dangerous bar. A man of the world and the best Bond, period.

    - Brosnan. This man was born to play Bond. watch any interview of Brosnan of the late 80's, early 90's before he was Bond and you see: this guy is James Bond for the future. Exceptionally good looking but not in a pretty boy way, but in a manly way. Suave as hell and good sense of humor. If only Brosnan had the material of Casino Royale or Skyfall, he would have given Connery a run for his money.

    The reason I place Connery first, is that I have the feeling he can adapt himself into any situation. Brosnan is a bit too slick and I dont see him hang out with the local sailors in a dirty alleys bar, despite some scenes.

    Craig is not my Bond. He has the material, he is a good actor, but he is too rough on the edges, I dont imagine women immediately falling in love with him the second they see him.

    Dalton had the edge and good material, but had no sense of humor and misses the suaveness of Bond. I liked the fact that he played Bond like the agent who is not happy with his job, that was great. But he stretched it a bit too far, it lacked a bit of the fun, something Brosnan had more. Best example is in tomorrow never dies, after Paris dies, he coldly kills Dr kaufman, yet has great fun in the BMW parking garage chase.

    Moore, is enjoyable, but impossible to take serious as a secret agent. Has no danger in him and at times I find him extremely annoying when he acts like a know-it-all, especially in Moonraker, when he finishes the sentences of Dr Goodhead. I would have punched him right in the face if he did that with me!

    Lazenby was alright, ups and downs, which is normal considering his age, his lack of experience. He did well considering the circumstances and could have grown in the role more.

    all in all, for me there are just 2 perfect Bonds: Connery and Brosnan.
    OHMSS, FRWL, DN, GF, CR, GE, SP, YOLT, TB, TSWLM, LALD, TLD, TND, FYEO, SF, MR, TMWTGG, TWINE, OP, AVTAK, DAF, LTK, QOS, DAD

    1. Connery 2. Craig 3. Brosnan 4. Dalton 5. Lazenby 6. Moore
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