Bond whipping out a telescoping baton and whipping the bejeezus out of a couple big henchmen would make a great fight scene. Or better yet, Q issuing Bond a specially designed baton that produces a high voltage electrical shock. Picture this: Bond confronted by a very large hulking steroidal looking henchmen. Bond pulls out the smallish looking baton, and extends it. Said henchman looks at the baton and laughes at it, maybe a "you can't hurt me with that little thing of yours" type remark. Bond proceeds to virtually electracute the henchman, leaving him shaking on the ground with a visible large wet stain by his crotch. Bond walks away and of course makes some darkly humorous comment.
Ilike your thinking Howardb,didnt Clint Eastwood ,as a US secret service agent beat the cr*p out of a guy
in one of his films with a baton ??
This is an element from the John Gardner Bond novels too - see the opening of Nobody Lives Forever (1986) where Bond bets up bad guys attacking Princess Sukie Tempesta with an ASP long extendable baton just like his ASP 9 mm firearm, if memoery serves.
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
The ASP baton is great tool. I still carry mine daily, although many of my companions have stopped.
It is surprisingly less effective than one might think as a striking weapon though.
If your goal is to kill or break small bones, then it works like a charm. However, if you're trying to control someone by attacking the major muscle mass, and not cause lasting damage, you really have to put some effort into it and it will take multiple strikes, at least three.
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This is an element from the John Gardner Bond novels too - see the opening of Nobody Lives Forever (1986) where Bond bets up bad guys attacking Princess Sukie Tempesta with an ASP long extendable baton just like his ASP 9 mm firearm, if memoery serves.
Indeedy. Bond uses his ASP baton (shortest version, which is 16") in a few books up until Scorpius (No Deals being another one he batters people with it). He never mentions it after that. Although he carries his ASP pistol right to the end of Gardner's tenure.
Interestingly, I used to talk to Mr Benson quite a bit and he wanted to continue arming Bond with the ASP pistol, but the Fleming literary agents insisted on the return of the PPK. So he armed Felix with the ASP instead. Both baton and pistol.
The ASP baton is great tool. I still carry mine daily, although many of my companions have stopped.
It is surprisingly less effective than one might think as a striking weapon though.
If your goal is to kill or break small bones, then it works like a charm. However, if you're trying to control someone by attacking the major muscle mass, and not cause lasting damage, you really have to put some effort into it and it will take multiple strikes, at least three.
I still have my 26" model, eventhough I haven't had a "professional" use for it for several years now. The effectiveness, or lack of it, is surprising. I found it out the hard way, couldn't bring a guy down with strikes so I had use a choke. Later (several years later, Helsinki isn't excactly Deadwood) I whacked a guy to a thigh with a 4cell maglite and it worked like charm, that one dropped like a sack of potatos. Funny thing though, a baton is more politically correct less lethal option than a Maglite...
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech
The ASP baton is great tool. I still carry mine daily, although many of my companions have stopped.
It is surprisingly less effective than one might think as a striking weapon though.
If your goal is to kill or break small bones, then it works like a charm. However, if you're trying to control someone by attacking the major muscle mass, and not cause lasting damage, you really have to put some effort into it and it will take multiple strikes, at least three.
I still have my 26" model, eventhough I haven't had a "professional" use for it for several years now. The effectiveness, or lack of it, is surprising. I found it out the hard way, couldn't bring a guy down with strikes so I had use a choke. Later (several years later, Helsinki isn't excactly Deadwood) I whacked a guy to a thigh with a 4cell maglite and it worked like charm, that one dropped like a sack of potatos. Funny thing though, a baton is more politically correct less lethal option than a Maglite...
4 cell maglight ,you were lucky, we was only allowed a 2 cell
A 4 cell Maglight is a formidable weapon......akin to a miniature baseball bat.
I still like the idea of the electro-shock baton. Beyond the always enjoyable gratuitus violence you get a new "gadget" from Q, and the rare opportunity in a Craig era film for Bond to make something that should be very difficult into something very easy....huge henchman hits the ground in a wreathing heap with aforementioned urine stained pants (gotta stay gritty)with a flickof Bond's wrist, Bond straightens his tie, makes darkly humorous remark. Perfect melding of the gritty more real Craig and the old Connery "make it look easy" school. -{
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The electric baton has been done over and over. Even Brozzas Thomas Crown Affair had one.
Yes, it is true: SC electrocuted OJ, RM shocked Jaws can't remember if GL or TD shocked anybody, but Brozzer electrocuted Renard (?) in that sub.
Although, a taser to the teeth kind of tactical questioning would be very much up DCs alley, remember in the current era of Bond he's ex-sas and therefore he would be familiar with this type of action .
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
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NO! I have retract my previous comment about wanting to see Bond pulling a taser number on a target. This is because I had a vision and I did not like it: Daniel Graigs voice, dark and menacing, right before the gunbarrel: "My name is James Bond, and this is the longest day of my life." People thought that Bond turning into Bourne was bad, now how about Bond turning into Bauer...?
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech
Yes, it is true: SC electrocuted OJ, RM shocked Jaws can't remember if GL or TD shocked anybody, but Brozzer electrocuted Renard (?) in that sub.
Although, a taser to the teeth kind of tactical questioning would be very much up DCs alley, remember in the current era of Bond he's ex-sas and therefore he would be familiar with this type of action .
DC uses a taser in 007 Bloodstone (PS3/Xbox 360). Just in case you want to see what it looks like. )
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Another option would be to use the *Walther PPK/S in 9mm short. The 9mm short (.380ACP aka 9x17mm) is said to be a good option if a person wants to carry a compact pistol that is not chambred in .45 ACP or 9x19mm since it still offers decent power despite the small size cartridges. Even thought the magazine only holds 7 rounds it would a small step up from the .32 ACP PPK Bond has used for decades.
*This was what Q issues Bond in Skyfall with the palm reader grip.
Am I the only one who still likes the walther p99 from CR I personally think it is the best gun for bond in the modern world also its far more concealable than a full sized glock or 1911 which are the most common pistols used to day
Bond is too cool to have a 'standard issue sidearm'... It worked well in Skyfall. The only thing I didn't like was the fact that Eve carried one as well. It should be Bond's personal choice, not on general issue to all and any field operatives.
I pains me to disagree with ASP9mm on this, but I absolutely think the PPK should be standard issue. The MI6 arsenal could also include P226 Sigs and maybe even the P99.
Bond is a goverment agent and his "license to kill" is assigned to him by the goverment. If he was some kind of rouge agent then he could have a goofy pistol that breaks down into little bits like a cigarette lighter or fountain pen. After all if we think back to Dr. No and From Russia with Love, the PPK was used by MI6 and the CIA. Remember, "Where'd you get measured for this, Bud?" As a kid I thought it was cool to see Leiter, Kerim Bey and Nash all using the PPK ... I loved seeing that pistol.
Novel Bond was issued a PPK because his personal choice in pistols was a disaster!
Having the PPK an issue weapon is way cool. I guess you Brits, don't think it's special because your military actually bought and issued the PPK, don't get me wrong, the 1911A1 and the Beretta 92 are good guns, but a a rack full of PPKs ... wow!
I have to say for me one of the most lame lines in the series is Robby Coltrane's "Walther PPK, only six men I know carry such a weapon.." Come on, millions of PPKs have been made since 1930 - there has to be more than six guys/gals out there packing a PPK!
Sorry fella's but the PPK IS 007, like the DB5 ... I really wish they would just stick with tradition and not try to freshen Bond's weapon with fake stuff like a "micro derma sensor grip", or changing it to a 9mm short. Bond should always be undergunned and have to rely on his wits - not a "special pistol" to get out of scrapes. It's too late in the game to tweak his image by giving him a PPS, PQX or PDP - whatever flavor of the month plastic POS is popular today.
PS: Batons/saps are for cops and thugs! Whatever happened to the old secret agent "judo chop".
I pains me to disagree with ASP9mm on this, but I absolutely think the PPK should be standard issue. The MI6 arsenal could also include P226 Sigs and maybe even the P99.
Bond is a goverment agent and his "license to kill" is assigned to him by the goverment. If he was some kind of rouge agent then he could have a goofy pistol that breaks down into little bits like a cigarette lighter or fountain pen. After all if we think back to Dr. No and From Russia with Love, the PPK was used by MI6 and the CIA. Remember, "Where'd you get measured for this, Bud?" As a kid I thought it was cool to see Leiter, Kerim Bey and Nash all using the PPK ... I loved seeing that pistol.
Novel Bond was issued a PPK because his personal choice in pistols was a disaster!
Having the PPK an issue weapon is way cool. I guess you Brits, don't think it's special because your military actually bought and issued the PPK, don't get me wrong, the 1911A1 and the Beretta 92 are good guns, but a a rack full of PPKs ... wow!
I have to say for me one of the most lame lines in the series is Robby Coltrane's "Walther PPK, only six men I know carry such a weapon.." Come on, millions of PPKs have been made since 1930 - there has to be more than six guys/gals out there packing a PPK!
Sorry fella's but the PPK IS 007, like the DB5 ... I really wish they would just stick with tradition and not try to freshen Bond's weapon with fake stuff like a "micro derma sensor grip", or changing it to a 9mm short. Bond should always be undergunned and have to rely on his wits - not a "special pistol" to get out of scrapes. It's too late in the game to tweak his image by giving him a PPS, PQX or PDP - whatever flavor of the month plastic POS is popular today.
PS: Batons/saps are for cops and thugs! Whatever happened to the old secret agent "judo chop".
Hahhah! How about SMERSH? They must either have a very limited circle of friends or very little interest in firearms: YOLT Blofeldt:"An unknown Englishman was in your office the other day." Osato:"Correct number 1" 1:"Do you know what gun this is?" O:"Walther PPK." 1:"Only one person we know uses this sort of gun. James Bond." O:"But Bond is dead!" Brand:"It was in all the news papers!" 1:"Rubbish Bond is alive!"
A perfectly good cover, brule`, all because of vanity in the choise of a tool!
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech
Bond is too cool to have a 'standard issue sidearm'... It worked well in Skyfall. The only thing I didn't like was the fact that Eve carried one as well. It should be Bond's personal choice, not on general issue to all and any field operatives.
I pains me to disagree with ASP9mm on this, but I absolutely think the PPK should be standard issue. The MI6 arsenal could also include P226 Sigs and maybe even the P99.
Bond is a goverment agent and his "license to kill" is assigned to him by the goverment. If he was some kind of rouge agent then he could have a goofy pistol that breaks down into little bits like a cigarette lighter or fountain pen. After all if we think back to Dr. No and From Russia with Love, the PPK was used by MI6 and the CIA. Remember, "Where'd you get measured for this, Bud?" As a kid I thought it was cool to see Leiter, Kerim Bey and Nash all using the PPK ... I loved seeing that pistol.
Novel Bond was issued a PPK because his personal choice in pistols was a disaster!
Having the PPK an issue weapon is way cool. I guess you Brits, don't think it's special because your military actually bought and issued the PPK, don't get me wrong, the 1911A1 and the Beretta 92 are good guns, but a a rack full of PPKs ... wow!
I have to say for me one of the most lame lines in the series is Robby Coltrane's "Walther PPK, only six men I know carry such a weapon.." Come on, millions of PPKs have been made since 1930 - there has to be more than six guys/gals out there packing a PPK!
Sorry fella's but the PPK IS 007, like the DB5 ... I really wish they would just stick with tradition and not try to freshen Bond's weapon with fake stuff like a "micro derma sensor grip", or changing it to a 9mm short. Bond should always be undergunned and have to rely on his wits - not a "special pistol" to get out of scrapes. It's too late in the game to tweak his image by giving him a PPS, PQX or PDP - whatever flavor of the month plastic POS is popular today.
PS: Batons/saps are for cops and thugs! Whatever happened to the old secret agent "judo chop".
+ 1
Great post! And that's coming from a (stiff-@rsed) Brit
I'd like him to keep the PPK, if he has to switch the PPS makes sense.
I would make it a 9mm though because its a more international caliber, the .40 is more of an LEO round.
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@ Turnkey I agree if they do give Bond a PPS it will proubly be the 9mm version since it hold 8 rounds instead of 7 like the .40 caliber version and 9mm ammo is easier to find.
Also for updating I think the PPK is here to stay, though I would object to having the P99 come back for when Bond expects a major gun battle to occur.
The PPK is here to stay seeing as Skyfall emphasized tradition and old ways. I do however would like acknowledgement of the P99, maybe as a pistol in Bond's glove compartment (in-lieu of the Colt long barrel), as that gun was iconic for another generation. I grew up with Brosnan's P99, but as I grew older and felt in love the classics, the PPK is too fitting to get rid of.
But I would like to see Bond logically switch over to a bigger, fallen bad guy's weapon when need be as he does in many movies, and notably in SF. Craig would look really fly with a big magnum revolver if the opportunity arises.
Return to the Beretta, so M can once again say, "That damned Beretta again!"
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It's just as the news of the change from Browning is in
the news. It would sound cool as a reason for Bond's
change of weapon.
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A Glock 18C as Patrice uses at the beginning of Skyfall or a customised Glock 19 with a select fire switch perhaps...
Why the hell does anyone want a fully auto pistol, useless ,you may get one round ,the first one on target, stupid toys. 8-) if you want an SMG use an SMG not a pistol. There is a reason why no military or police unit use them. I have fired the Skorpion, MP5K and Ingram and they are designed as machine pistols, the only one close to useful is the 5K even then I would prefer a 5A3.
A Glock 18C as Patrice uses at the beginning of Skyfall or a customised Glock 19 with a select fire switch perhaps...
Why the hell does anyone want a fully auto pistol, useless ,you may get one round ,the first one on target, stupid toys. 8-) if you want an SMG use an SMG not a pistol. There is a reason why no military or police unit use them. I have fired the Skorpion, MP5K and Ingram and they are designed as machine pistols, the only one close to useful is the 5K even then I would prefer a 5A3.
Because they look cool and it's just a film...not real life.
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This is an element from the John Gardner Bond novels too - see the opening of Nobody Lives Forever (1986) where Bond bets up bad guys attacking Princess Sukie Tempesta with an ASP long extendable baton just like his ASP 9 mm firearm, if memoery serves.
It is surprisingly less effective than one might think as a striking weapon though.
If your goal is to kill or break small bones, then it works like a charm. However, if you're trying to control someone by attacking the major muscle mass, and not cause lasting damage, you really have to put some effort into it and it will take multiple strikes, at least three.
Indeedy. Bond uses his ASP baton (shortest version, which is 16") in a few books up until Scorpius (No Deals being another one he batters people with it). He never mentions it after that. Although he carries his ASP pistol right to the end of Gardner's tenure.
Interestingly, I used to talk to Mr Benson quite a bit and he wanted to continue arming Bond with the ASP pistol, but the Fleming literary agents insisted on the return of the PPK. So he armed Felix with the ASP instead. Both baton and pistol.
I still have my 26" model, eventhough I haven't had a "professional" use for it for several years now. The effectiveness, or lack of it, is surprising. I found it out the hard way, couldn't bring a guy down with strikes so I had use a choke. Later (several years later, Helsinki isn't excactly Deadwood) I whacked a guy to a thigh with a 4cell maglite and it worked like charm, that one dropped like a sack of potatos. Funny thing though, a baton is more politically correct less lethal option than a Maglite...
-Mr Arlington Beech
By the time that Mag-whack incident took place, I had allready made the switch to the private sector. It did raise a bit of a stink though...
-Mr Arlington Beech
I still like the idea of the electro-shock baton. Beyond the always enjoyable gratuitus violence you get a new "gadget" from Q, and the rare opportunity in a Craig era film for Bond to make something that should be very difficult into something very easy....huge henchman hits the ground in a wreathing heap with aforementioned urine stained pants (gotta stay gritty)with a flickof Bond's wrist, Bond straightens his tie, makes darkly humorous remark. Perfect melding of the gritty more real Craig and the old Connery "make it look easy" school. -{
Although, a taser to the teeth kind of tactical questioning would be very much up DCs alley, remember in the current era of Bond he's ex-sas and therefore he would be familiar with this type of action .
-Mr Arlington Beech
-Mr Arlington Beech
DC uses a taser in 007 Bloodstone (PS3/Xbox 360). Just in case you want to see what it looks like.
*This was what Q issues Bond in Skyfall with the palm reader grip.
I pains me to disagree with ASP9mm on this, but I absolutely think the PPK should be standard issue. The MI6 arsenal could also include P226 Sigs and maybe even the P99.
Bond is a goverment agent and his "license to kill" is assigned to him by the goverment. If he was some kind of rouge agent then he could have a goofy pistol that breaks down into little bits like a cigarette lighter or fountain pen. After all if we think back to Dr. No and From Russia with Love, the PPK was used by MI6 and the CIA. Remember, "Where'd you get measured for this, Bud?" As a kid I thought it was cool to see Leiter, Kerim Bey and Nash all using the PPK ... I loved seeing that pistol.
Novel Bond was issued a PPK because his personal choice in pistols was a disaster!
Having the PPK an issue weapon is way cool. I guess you Brits, don't think it's special because your military actually bought and issued the PPK, don't get me wrong, the 1911A1 and the Beretta 92 are good guns, but a a rack full of PPKs ... wow!
I have to say for me one of the most lame lines in the series is Robby Coltrane's "Walther PPK, only six men I know carry such a weapon.." Come on, millions of PPKs have been made since 1930 - there has to be more than six guys/gals out there packing a PPK!
Sorry fella's but the PPK IS 007, like the DB5 ... I really wish they would just stick with tradition and not try to freshen Bond's weapon with fake stuff like a "micro derma sensor grip", or changing it to a 9mm short. Bond should always be undergunned and have to rely on his wits - not a "special pistol" to get out of scrapes. It's too late in the game to tweak his image by giving him a PPS, PQX or PDP - whatever flavor of the month plastic POS is popular today.
PS: Batons/saps are for cops and thugs! Whatever happened to the old secret agent "judo chop".
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Hahhah! How about SMERSH? They must either have a very limited circle of friends or very little interest in firearms: YOLT Blofeldt:"An unknown Englishman was in your office the other day." Osato:"Correct number 1" 1:"Do you know what gun this is?" O:"Walther PPK." 1:"Only one person we know uses this sort of gun. James Bond." O:"But Bond is dead!" Brand:"It was in all the news papers!" 1:"Rubbish Bond is alive!"
A perfectly good cover, brule`, all because of vanity in the choise of a tool!
-Mr Arlington Beech
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Great post! And that's coming from a (stiff-@rsed) Brit
I would make it a 9mm though because its a more international caliber, the .40 is more of an LEO round.
Also for updating I think the PPK is here to stay, though I would object to having the P99 come back for when Bond expects a major gun battle to occur.
... can't say it's ever worked for me though. But, I'm not a secret agent.
But I would like to see Bond logically switch over to a bigger, fallen bad guy's weapon when need be as he does in many movies, and notably in SF. Craig would look really fly with a big magnum revolver if the opportunity arises.
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to work in to the script.
It's just as the news of the change from Browning is in
the news. It would sound cool as a reason for Bond's
change of weapon.
1. People who hate things.
2. Irony.
3. Lists.
Why the hell does anyone want a fully auto pistol, useless ,you may get one round ,the first one on target, stupid toys. 8-) if you want an SMG use an SMG not a pistol. There is a reason why no military or police unit use them. I have fired the Skorpion, MP5K and Ingram and they are designed as machine pistols, the only one close to useful is the 5K even then I would prefer a 5A3.
Because they look cool and it's just a film...not real life.
1. People who hate things.
2. Irony.
3. Lists.