Throwing Guns in Movies ?

ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
I was wondering after watching Skyfall. On the train Bond runs out of
bullets and in disgust throws his Gun away.
For those in the know is this part of Gun trainning, in the military.
I'll point out I know nothing about guns or shooting but,..................

Couldn't you still use the gun as a "Club" to hit someone with. Or use it
to threaten the next person you meet as they wouldn't know it was unloaded.

Not picking on Skyfall as it's done in many Movies, just wondering if it was the
normal "Movie logic" of if there was a tactical reason for it.
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  • PPK packerPPK packer Posts: 45MI6 Agent
    That's a great question.

    It is standard training to reholster a firearm when it is no longer needed. That would include when it's no longer of any use, such as when it's empty.

    Someone may have to throw a gun away if it was empty and they don't have the time to reholster it before going hands on with an assailant. Even this may be a bit of a stretch because you're quite right about using a gun as a striking weapon. And when you're in this type of fight, if anyone is going to have a gun, loaded or not, I want it to be me.

    I have seen a pistol used as a striking weapon and it works well. In the situation I'm referring to the pistol was loaded and there was/is a real danger of the pistol discharging due to the impact, or repeated impact, or improper trigger finger placement. Using one to strike is not normally recommended.

    It's rare, but there are times when you will draw your firearm in a deadly force encounter and then circumstances change and you're suddenly into a non-lethal, or less-than-lethal, force situation and you're standing there with your pistol in your hand. That's when you want to transition to a lower level force option, if one is available.

    These things are very fast and very fluid. You'll see that I don't use words like "never" or "always". That's because at the end of the day it doesn't matter what you do as long as you go home to your family.

    In case I haven't answered your question, I know of no tactical reason to throw a gun away.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    -{ Thanks for the relpy, PPK packer.
    It's just one of those questions, which I've always
    wanted to ask, but usually forget.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • LiamLiam Now where was I? Let me see...Posts: 50MI6 Agent
    Throwing something away just looks much more dramatic than to reholster the thing, that's probably the reason for seeing it so often in movies. Tactical reasons I can think of none. Legal reasons could apply, in some countries getting caught with a gun can add 20 to 50 years to your prison sentence.
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  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    I think the whole idea of Bond throwing is out-of-date ppk away is just to emphasis the 'devil may care' attitude and the fact that he's seriously outgunned and better off without it.

    empty ppk vs glock 17 with high cap mag...... :(
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  • don pdon p Posts: 607MI6 Agent
    this is why NATO use standard 5,56 .. ammo can be found all over the battlefield...
  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    don p wrote:
    this is why NATO use standard 5,56 .. ammo can be found all over the battlefield...

    i dunno how you managed it don, but try as I might, that 5.56 just won't go into my ppk....

    (reaches for the manchester spanner)
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  • don pdon p Posts: 607MI6 Agent
    minigeff wrote:
    don p wrote:
    this is why NATO use standard 5,56 .. ammo can be found all over the battlefield...

    i dunno how you managed it don, but try as I might, that 5.56 just won't go into my ppk....

    (reaches for the manchester spanner)


    lol...
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    This would probably be better for a Matt Helm film, as
    he seemed to have a "special" gun for each film. But how
    about Q designing a Gun that could double as a Boomerang :))
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,427MI6 Agent
    A nod to throwing the gun in the opening scene of CR? On the crane, I think.

    Or another reference to SF's genius: like the gun, Bond is to be a spent cartridge, to be thrown away when not needed... 8-)
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  • always shakenalways shaken LondonPosts: 6,287MI6 Agent
    i dont know how any of the secret services alocate equipment to their opratives,
    but certainley in British police forces all equipment is (booked out) to you
    from your car right down to your speed cuffs ,they are numbered also
    even your CS gas canister is weighed in/out and you ,no one else is responsible for it
    this is to speed up investigations when it goes bent ,on who hit who with what
    to protect the officer and also the suspect ,so to return back to the nick
    and tell the skipper or guvnor sorry i threw it away would be as welcome as a
    snake in a lucky dip,so i go along with film effect,
    By the way, did I tell you, I was "Mad"?
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,504MI6 Agent
    i dont know how any of the secret services alocate equipment to their opratives,
    but certainley in British police forces all equipment is (booked out) to you
    from your car right down to your speed cuffs ,they are numbered also
    even your CS gas canister is weighed in/out and you ,no one else is responsible for it
    this is to speed up investigations when it goes bent ,on who hit who with what
    to protect the officer and also the suspect ,so to return back to the nick
    and tell the skipper or guvnor sorry i threw it away would be as welcome as a
    snake in a lucky dip,so i go along with film effect,

    I don't think that this would apply to a government sanctioned assassin :))
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