Moore and the PPK

AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
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Has anyone noticed how odd Moore's handling of the PPK was? (As in the way he held it)
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  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,535MI6 Agent
    He hated guns and used to flinch badly when firing them. Brosnan looked uncomfortable too and handled them quite badly.
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,845MI6 Agent
    I always thought that (while he blinked) he had the correct handling (no doubt from wartime/national service etc.) of the two-handed grip when firing. John Gardner had James Bond use this method at around the same tiime in his James Bond continuation novels. Gardner even used the two-handed grip method in publicity stills for Licence Renewed and Icebreaker and the Saab 900 Turbo.
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  • ZorinIndustriesZorinIndustries United StatesPosts: 837MI6 Agent
    Hmm i never noticed this! Guess i need to pay more attention
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  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,535MI6 Agent
    Silhouette Man wrote:
    I always thought that (while he blinked) he had the correct handling (no doubt from wartime/national service etc.) of the two-handed grip when firing. John Gardner had James Bond use this method at around the same tiime in his James Bond continuation novels. Gardner even used the two-handed grip method in publicity stills for Licence Renewed and Icebreaker and the Saab 900 Turbo.

    Ahh, but that's because Gardner knew about the Quell System. Well ahead of its time.

    Moore knew how to handle a pistol, that is for sure. But it was an old system he was taught.
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,845MI6 Agent
    Moore Bond also handles the Magnum revolver in Live and Let Die very peculiarly - with his hands jumping and starting with the gun - Moore's military experience really shines through in these experiences. I actually think he was one of the better actors with a gun. John Glen famously said that Charles Dance in FYEO could not hold a Luger gun properly. And look where he is now... :)
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,845MI6 Agent
    Asp9mm wrote:
    Silhouette Man wrote:
    I always thought that (while he blinked) he had the correct handling (no doubt from wartime/national service etc.) of the two-handed grip when firing. John Gardner had James Bond use this method at around the same tiime in his James Bond continuation novels. Gardner even used the two-handed grip method in publicity stills for Licence Renewed and Icebreaker and the Saab 900 Turbo.

    Ahh, but that's because Gardner knew about the Quell System. Well ahead of its time.

    Moore knew how to handle a pistol, that is for sure. But it was an old system he was taught.

    Aspy, could you give me a brief synopsis of the Quell System - I'm no firearms expert. Also, John Gardner was in the Royal Marines 42 Commando near the end of World War II in the Far East theatre of war. I believe that the two-handed grip is standard form there? Plus, Roger Moore is the only James Bond actor to use the two-handed grip in his gunbarrel sequence. It might be an old system, but as Moore was the oldest actor to play Bond at least in the Eon series (and only Barry Nelson, born in 1920 was older, unless one counts David Niven, born in 1910) it's fitting. The two-handed grip is probably best seen in For Your Eyes Only, where Bond fires at Locque's car. In fact, one of the most famous publicity photos comes from that scene with Moore dong the two-handed grip in the tunnelway.
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  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,416MI6 Agent
    Asp9mm wrote:
    He hated guns and used to flinch badly when firing them. Brosnan looked uncomfortable too and handled them quite badly.
    How was Brosnan's gun handling bad? other then shooting one handed often, just curious.
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  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,535MI6 Agent
    walther p99 wrote:
    Asp9mm wrote:
    He hated guns and used to flinch badly when firing them. Brosnan looked uncomfortable too and handled them quite badly.
    How was Brosnan's gun handling bad? other then shooting one handed often, just curious.

    He holds them incorrectly, usually by not seating them correctly in his hand (most women do this when picking up a pistol), and he limp wrists when firing. You can see it at the most extreme when he is using the P99.
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    Connery held it perfectly in my Opinion.
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  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,535MI6 Agent
    Silhouette Man wrote:
    Aspy, could you give me a brief synopsis of the Quell System - I'm no firearms expert. Also, John Gardner was in the Royal Marines 42 Commando near the end of World War II in the Far East theatre of war. I believe that the two-handed grip is standard form there? Plus, Roger Moore is the only James Bond actor to use the two-handed grip in his gunbarrel sequence. It might be an old system, but as Moore was the oldest actor to play Bond at least in the Eon series (and only Barry Nelson, born in 1920 was older, unless one counts David Niven, born in 1910) it's fitting. The two-handed grip is probably best seen in For Your Eyes Only, where Bond fires at Locque's car. In fact, one of the most famous publicity photos comes from that scene with Moore dong the two-handed grip in the tunnelway.

    The old system used by Moore was an isosceles stance. In a nutshell, this stance has been replaced by the much better Weaver system which uses opposing forces applied to the firearm by each arm to give a more stable platform (think Don Johnson's Sonny Crockett shooting form).

    The Quell System is and was very radical and uses the non dominant eye. It takes a Hell of a lot of learning and unlearning to become second nature, as well as weeks of practice. It's not very well known. Gardner knew of it after he researched the ASP pistol.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Theodore
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,845MI6 Agent
    Asp9mm wrote:
    Silhouette Man wrote:
    Aspy, could you give me a brief synopsis of the Quell System - I'm no firearms expert. Also, John Gardner was in the Royal Marines 42 Commando near the end of World War II in the Far East theatre of war. I believe that the two-handed grip is standard form there? Plus, Roger Moore is the only James Bond actor to use the two-handed grip in his gunbarrel sequence. It might be an old system, but as Moore was the oldest actor to play Bond at least in the Eon series (and only Barry Nelson, born in 1920 was older, unless one counts David Niven, born in 1910) it's fitting. The two-handed grip is probably best seen in For Your Eyes Only, where Bond fires at Locque's car. In fact, one of the most famous publicity photos comes from that scene with Moore dong the two-handed grip in the tunnelway.

    The old system used by Moore was an isosceles stance. In a nutshell, this stance has been replaced by the much better Weaver system which uses opposing forces applied to the firearm by each arm to give a more stable platform (think Don Johnson's Sonny Crockett shooting form).

    The Quell System is and was very radical and uses the non dominant eye. It takes a Hell of a lot of learning and unlearning to become second nature, as well as weeks of practice. It's not very well known. Gardner knew of it after he researched the ASP pistol.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Theodore

    Thanks for all of the additional information on the ASP and firing techniques, Aspy. You seem to be AJB's resident firearms expert. Could you tell me your source for all you know about John Gardner and the ASP 9mm. I'm very curious if there is a book/article/online journal that contains this information. As a resident Gardnerist on AJB, I'd really love to hear more on this. I do hope that you can point me in the right direction, Aspy? Thanks so much. :)
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Asp9mm wrote:
    The old system used by Moore was an isosceles stance. In a nutshell, this stance has been replaced by the much better Weaver system which uses opposing forces applied to the firearm by each arm to give a more stable platform (think Don Johnson's Sonny Crockett shooting form).

    The Quell System is and was very radical and uses the non dominant eye. It takes a Hell of a lot of learning and unlearning to become second nature, as well as weeks of practice. It's not very well known. Gardner knew of it after he researched the ASP pistol.
    This reminds me of martial arts... -{
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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Of course! Everything he did as Bond was perfect! :D
    AlphaOmegaSin wrote:
    Connery held it perfectly in my Opinion.
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  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    I tend to pick up on this sort of stuff, as well. One of the most notable (and overlooked), I think, was when Little Nellie had "her" machine guns burst-firing as opposed to pulling the trigger and letting it run out of ammo. That was because Kenneth Wallis, an RAF Wing Commander, was 1) behind the controls, and 2) Little Nellie really did have .303 Vickers machine guns.
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