Why James Bond?

CmdrAtticusCmdrAtticus United StatesPosts: 1,102MI6 Agent
This has probably been answered a lot and there seems to be many
answers to my question, but what do members think is the largest reason
for the cultural longevity and fascination of Bond? Are there any other
characters on which a series has been based that have lasted half a
century in the history of film and print, and for that matter, to this degree of success? Though it's obvious that Star Trek and Star Wars and Doctor Who keep rolling on through various degrees of success and through different evolutions since the 1960's and 70's, and they are iconic in their place in the history of pop culture, these are sci-fi based characters and stories in the future (or alternate universes), whereas the Bond series is only about a contemporary man who is a spy.

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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    I think one of the main Reasons is because of Bonds Character himself, most of the Male Populace wants to be him.
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
    Bond is, to be fair, one of a number of iconic characters emerging from the last century or two. Alongside Superman, Batman, Sherlock Homes and Dracula, Bond has enjoyed lasting success. Like all these characters, Bond is an archetype based on much older types - heroes and villains alike - stretching back as far as you can get (eg Homer's stories of heroes, villains, and monsters - and even before Homer too).

    Like each, Bond has been successfully interpreted in the media, mostly print and on film, and by different actors in different ways according to the times, which adds to his longevity.

    IMO, the secret of Bond's appeal is because he bridges the gap between man and superman - he does the kind of things we'd love to do but can't, and he's grounded in reality. I think Fleming said that Bond is "who every man wants to be.... And who every woman wants to have between the sheets". Bond is good at everything, which we'd all love to be, and lives a lifestyle most of us can only dream of - moments of great danger interspersed by moments of great luxury. He knows what he wants and, for the most part, he gets it. But there's just enough humanity about Bond that we can empathise with him, he's not a cartoon character, we can see ourselves in him.

    And a final thing - we can all be a little bit like Bond every day. Whether it's when we say a witty line, or when we enjoy a bit of banter with the opposite sex, or when we wear a certain item of clothing, or drink a fine wine: it brings us a small step closer to feeling Bondian, and isn't that what it's all about?
    "How was your lamb?" "Skewered. One sympathises."
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Why not? I mean, what's not to like? :D
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    My earliest memories of Bond live with other childhood heroes. The appeal of these figures has crept into my consciousness and imagination, making me think, wow, I want to be like that. I wasn't too much of a sports fan or athlete, so the "types" of heroes apart from Bond that I remember appealing to me were superheroes (Batman, Superman), singers (Elvis), movie soldiers and detectives. With that last one, the police detective, it's important to note that the appeal in my mind, was never associated with James Bond. Anyway, the heroics was common among these "types," but the appeal of someone like Elvis and James Bond was this attractive and cool image of the male that I wanted to be. The action/heroics aspect of course is part of the package but comes in a close second. Then, there's the weaponry and gadgets; what made them different from those used in cop, military, cowboy and even superhero tv shows and movies (like Batman's cool equipment) is how elegant Bond's were, with him using a small pistol as an example and how he fires his PPK accurately and effortlessly. The clincher of course were the bigger gadgets, like the Aston Martin and Lotus Esprit. What made those different than Batman's? Bond's stuff could exist in the real world (a "normal" looking car vs. a strange looking Batmobile coming down the road) and along those lines his capabilities were earthbound with no superpowers.
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • Mr_OsatoMr_Osato Posts: 398MI6 Agent
    It is quite simple. The Bond I love is not a superhero, but he is a man of the world. He leads an adventurous life, it takes him allover the globe, he drives the most beautiful cars, sleeps with the most beatiful women, sleeps in the most expensive hotels and eats the best food. Plus he is educated, charming, enjoys the finer things in life, has the nicest clothes, looks good.

    Like Blackleiter says: what is not to like?

    I have no affection for superheroes, although I did like the Batman movies. But James Bond, yeah, that is a man I would like to be when I grow up. Ah, forgot, I am already grown up :D
    OHMSS, FRWL, DN, GF, CR, GE, SP, YOLT, TB, TSWLM, LALD, TLD, TND, FYEO, SF, MR, TMWTGG, TWINE, OP, AVTAK, DAF, LTK, QOS, DAD

    1. Connery 2. Craig 3. Brosnan 4. Dalton 5. Lazenby 6. Moore
  • CmdrAtticusCmdrAtticus United StatesPosts: 1,102MI6 Agent
    I thank you all for your input. I suppose the following explains it as well as anything:

    What is Bond’s winning formula? One key factor is the balance between continuity and change, between staying reliably the same and seeming fresh and new. Certain elements of every Bond movie are unwavering, so we feel an affectionate familiarity with them; others are new each time, so we don’t feel as if we are watching the same film over and over again. A Bond film is licensed to get on with the story knowing that we have already bonded with Bond. It is a rare advantage. How many other characters are so iconic that they can survive a change of actors without any drop in popularity? The 007 formula may seem as rigid as one of Sean Connery’s toupees, but the space within it that is left open for variation and evolution is just as important. Each film can have a new villain, a different love interest and any number of exotic locations. What’s more, it can be set in different time periods, in that Bond always operates in the period when the film is made, whether that is the 1960s, the 21st century or at any point in between. This allows the films to adapt to the cinematic trend of the moment.
    Look for that cocktail of stability and malleability in other franchises and you will not find it. Batman and Spider-Man, for instance, are restricted to their stomping grounds of Gotham and New York, where they encounter the same small roster of colourful antagonists. No wonder audiences wouldn’t put up with them for 50 years without a break. Zorro, The Three Musketeers, and the Pirates of the Caribbean are all tied to specific places and periods. Indiana Jones may not to be bound to a specific milieu, but he is synonymous with a specific actor. Meanwhile, at the other end of the spectrum, there are franchises which are so loose and indistinct that almost nothing connects the various instalments, leaving little for an audience to grow attached to (Die Hard or Mission Impossible series). Ask yourself this: would anyone get excited if a “Mission: Impossible” finished with the caption “Ethan Hunt Will Return”? It is unlikely. But when a Bond film finishes with the equivalent promise, it still leaves a tingle of anticipation, even after 50 years. Here is another viewpoint:

    Professor James Chapman of Leicester University, author of Licence To Thrill: A Cultural History of the James Bond Films, said it that the reason for Bond's longevity was about the series ability to successfully negotiate change.

    "They responded to changes in geopolitics, to technological change, and changes in the film industry," he said.

    "Each generation gets its own Bond. They have managed to renew the franchise in such a way that it taps into what's going on not just in society but in the popular taste in film culture."

    So I suppose we may always have Bond in film, as long as whoever owns the franchise in the future can keep up that balancing act in relation to cultural/technical and political change.

    In a strange way, it's why such figures as Bugs Bunny or the other Looney Toon
    characters are still enjoyed by millions. We already know them and what they're habits are. The enjoyment is riding along with them to see which next misadventure they will encounter and how they'll extract themselves from it. Put it another way: we know the Coyote is going to fail to catch the Road Runner. The fun is watching what his next trap is and just how it fails (usually with that long drop to the canyon floor).
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    I thank you all for your input. I suppose the following explains it as well as anything:

    What is Bond’s winning formula? One key factor is the balance between continuity and change, between staying reliably the same and seeming fresh and new. Certain elements of every Bond movie are unwavering, so we feel an affectionate familiarity with them; others are new each time, so we don’t feel as if we are watching the same film over and over again. A Bond film is licensed to get on with the story knowing that we have already bonded with Bond. It is a rare advantage. How many other characters are so iconic that they can survive a change of actors without any drop in popularity? The 007 formula may seem as rigid as one of Sean Connery’s toupees, but the space within it that is left open for variation and evolution is just as important. Each film can have a new villain, a different love interest and any number of exotic locations. What’s more, it can be set in different time periods, in that Bond always operates in the period when the film is made, whether that is the 1960s, the 21st century or at any point in between. This allows the films to adapt to the cinematic trend of the moment.
    Look for that cocktail of stability and malleability in other franchises and you will not find it. Batman and Spider-Man, for instance, are restricted to their stomping grounds of Gotham and New York, where they encounter the same small roster of colourful antagonists. No wonder audiences wouldn’t put up with them for 50 years without a break. Zorro, The Three Musketeers, and the Pirates of the Caribbean are all tied to specific places and periods. Indiana Jones may not to be bound to a specific milieu, but he is synonymous with a specific actor. Meanwhile, at the other end of the spectrum, there are franchises which are so loose and indistinct that almost nothing connects the various instalments, leaving little for an audience to grow attached to (Die Hard or Mission Impossible series). Ask yourself this: would anyone get excited if a “Mission: Impossible” finished with the caption “Ethan Hunt Will Return”? It is unlikely. But when a Bond film finishes with the equivalent promise, it still leaves a tingle of anticipation, even after 50 years. Here is another viewpoint:

    Professor James Chapman of Leicester University, author of Licence To Thrill: A Cultural History of the James Bond Films, said it that the reason for Bond's longevity was about the series ability to successfully negotiate change.

    "They responded to changes in geopolitics, to technological change, and changes in the film industry," he said.

    "Each generation gets its own Bond. They have managed to renew the franchise in such a way that it taps into what's going on not just in society but in the popular taste in film culture."

    So I suppose we may always have Bond in film, as long as whoever owns the franchise in the future can keep up that balancing act in relation to cultural/technical and political change.

    In a strange way, it's why such figures as Bugs Bunny or the other Looney Toon
    characters are still enjoyed by millions. We already know them and what they're habits are. The enjoyment is riding along with them to see which next misadventure they will encounter and how they'll extract themselves from it. Put it another way: we know the Coyote is going to fail to catch the Road Runner. The fun is watching what his next trap is and just how it fails (usually with that long drop to the canyon floor).

    I think you have explained it about as well as it can be explained. Kudos to you! -{
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    I love Bond because he's great at what he does, but he's also a bit messed-up... isn't that like most of us talented/achiever-types in this world? B-)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • ixtoreixtore NYCPosts: 111MI6 Agent
    My first post here - and a fitting topic.

    Obviously everyone at AJB is a dedicated fan of the books and films. I'm not sure what I can add to what's already been said, but for me, there's this:

    Bond is a lone gun. He is self reliant, worldly, fearless, impetuous and driven. Wouldn't we all like the chance to be given a mission with no restrictions, be totally self sufficient, able to wile our way into the enemy's nest, escape from our missteps and finally foil that dastardly villain a moment before disaster would have struck?

    Why James Bond? Who else?
    The scent smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. Then the soul-erosion produced by high gambling - a compost of greed and fear and nervous tension - becomes unbearable and the senses awake and revolt from it.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Welcome ixtore, -{

    I think you've made some very good points. I'm still trying to
    pin down just what it is about Bond that made me a fan. :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • ixtoreixtore NYCPosts: 111MI6 Agent
    Thanks for the welcome, Thunderpussy!

    My answer to what made me a fan is easy. I was a kid, saw Dr. No on first run at one of my local theatres and was hooked.
    The scent smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. Then the soul-erosion produced by high gambling - a compost of greed and fear and nervous tension - becomes unbearable and the senses awake and revolt from it.
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    ixtore wrote:
    My first post here - and a fitting topic.

    Obviously everyone at AJB is a dedicated fan of the books and films. I'm not sure what I can add to what's already been said, but for me, there's this:

    Bond is a lone gun. He is self reliant, worldly, fearless, impetuous and driven. Wouldn't we all like the chance to be given a mission with no restrictions, be totally self sufficient, able to wile our way into the enemy's nest, escape from our missteps and finally foil that dastardly villain a moment before disaster would have struck?

    Why James Bond? Who else?

    Nicely stated! Welcome aboard! -{
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • ixtoreixtore NYCPosts: 111MI6 Agent
    Thank you, Blackleiter.
    The scent smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. Then the soul-erosion produced by high gambling - a compost of greed and fear and nervous tension - becomes unbearable and the senses awake and revolt from it.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    ixtore wrote :
    My answer to what made me a fan is easy. I was a kid, saw Dr. No on first run at one of my local theatres and was hooked.

    -{ :))
    In many ways it was the same for Me, Only it was when Dr No was shown on TV for the first time.
    Although I'd already deen LALD as a kid ( Don't know why, that didn't hook me,I was too young
    I guess ;) ).
    Even though it did look a little "Old" it moved along at such a pace never slowing, I too was hooked.
    Infact that got me in to reading the Books, But as to what it is about Bond that makes me a fan ?
    I guess it's his selfreliance, wit, and sence of duty. Also Fleming's imagination to write such brilliant
    plots and characters. Whatever it was I'm just happy I became hooked. :007)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • DelicatessenInSteelDelicatessenInSteel Posts: 181MI6 Agent
    I think the producers are genius..they think generationally if thats a word. You get Dr No & FRWL pretty straight forward adult fare then comes Goldfinger & you get the kids. You reset or change actors & you get the adults again OHMSS..LALD/MWTGG & then you go for the Kids TSWLM/MR. Rinse and repeat and you get a whole new generation taking the next generation. Daniel Craig has a Moonraker or Die Another Day coming soon...Mark my words...
    1.MoonRaker 2.OHMSS 3.LALD 4.OP 5.FYEO 6.DR. NO 7.YOLT 8.LTK 9.CR 10.AVTAK
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    It does help that Fleming's novels are all set in different locations and have different villains. That helps make Bond more of an iconic figure, a fixed point who interacts with an interesting outside world, with all its variations.

    However, that theme has changed of late, as it's made clear that Bond has to be a different person at the end of the picture to who he was at the beginning, the writers have to follow the screenwriter's blueprint.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
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