Could I ask DEFIANT 74205, why you haven't read any of the continuing novels ?
and do you include Col Sun.
It's probably because I think the Fleming books are better, and everything written by Fleming is "cannonical" Bond as opposed to those written by continuation authors. I guess I'm a bit of a "Fleming purist" in that sense.
As for suggestions for a book to review, why not start at the beginning with Casino Royale?
Glad your enjoying it AS. Fleming was a great writer he knew how to drive a story along. Making the film makers job a little easier. )
Hi TP just finished chapter 15 (background to a spy) I was looking forward to this part of the film most of all
when JB meets KB , the words I.F uses paints a complete picture in the mind ,and takes me back to Turkey
the smell of the spices the mint, the black coffee, and the cigarette smoke ,pure magic. I enjoyed this chapter most of all
is the best yet to come ? I was disappointed to read that Bond did not order his coffee medium sweet as in the film
oh well
Don't worry always shaken, Fleming moves the story along. I think his use of
details help ground you in the story, The train sequence is especially good.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
IMHO the whole book is better than the movie. I think the plot makes a lot more sense in the novel. Even though the movie is in my top 3, the book wins hands down.
Don't worry always shaken, Fleming moves the story along. I think his use of
details help ground you in the story, The train sequence is especially good.
Yes,during chapter 15 (background to a spy) was supprised to read in the space of 8 paragraphs
that Fleming uses the word rape twice to describe the goings on of his family/countrymen
took me completely by supprise ,not that it doesn't fit in ,in fact it more than perfectly works
it just made my chuckle to think of Fleming sitting there in Goldeneye, typewriter,cup of tea in hand
writing about people being raped ? are there any more supprises in store
Several of the things I admire about Fleming was his ability to put the reader right in the moment of the story, no matter how long ago it was written (writers like Conan Doyle and Alistair Maclean and Raymond Chandler did this as well). His journalistic ability to describe all the senses in the environment - the smell of the air and of food, the feel of a place or an object, etc. takes me out of the present and transports me temporarily into the story just as a good film does. His reporter's sense of getting details correct (though he made mistakes sometimes as all writers do) and keeping the plot moving and the pages turning is why he is in my pantheon of fiction writers. As he said, he wasn't trying to compete with Shakespeare, he was just trying to entertain on a more commercial level. Some younger readers sometimes have problems wrestling with the geopolitics of the time because they were born post Soviet Union and are only used to terrorists, North Korea, etc.. It's another reason it takes a writer like Fleming to make it all seem present and real.
Several of the things I admire about Fleming was his ability to put the reader right in the moment of the story, no matter how long ago it was written (writers like Conan Doyle and Alistair Maclean and Raymond Chandler did this as well). His journalistic ability to describe all the senses in the environment - the smell of the air and of food, the feel of a place or an object, etc. takes me out of the present and transports me temporarily into the story just as a good film does. His reporter's sense of getting details correct (though he made mistakes sometimes as all writers do) and keeping the plot moving and the pages turning is why he is in my pantheon of fiction writers. As he said, he wasn't trying to compete with Shakespeare, he was just trying to entertain on a more commercial level. Some younger readers sometimes have problems wrestling with the geopolitics of the time because they were born post Soviet Union and are only used to terrorists, North Korea, etc.. It's another reason it takes a writer like Fleming to make it all seem present and real.
Totally agree , for me (being old enough (damm) ) I remember the old soviet union , and all its goings on
my dad worked in Moscow in the 70s in the exhibition game and remembers being shall we say watched
by men in big coats also myself ,have been lucky enough to have visited a lot of Bond locations
so to read/watch Bond is easier to relate to what the master is trying to portray ,cant wait to finish the book
any suggestions on wich one I should by next (this should be interesting Sir Miles )
It may sound strange and though logically it would make sense to read Dr. No next, I actually think you should get Casino Royale and then the others leading up to FRWL. It will put you more in line with the sequence of Bond's life and his missions. Even though the stories are independent of each other, they are placed around the year they are written and sometimes Fleming references something that may have happened in the previous book or what's happening in the real world at that time.
Loved this one. Was a little disappointed it didn't end similarly to the film, but Donovan Grant is terrifying. Apparently it could be argued Fleming created the first serial killer in fiction. I don't know what is more scary, Grant or the idea of Rosa Klebb in skimpy clothing. Equally nightmarish! I did let out a little "eek!" at the day Kerim treats women but I wonder if Fleming shared that view-point. Great novel anyway.
Sun was out today so buggered off out of Canary wharf to catch some rays
pint of ice cold Magners,sun lounger and of course FRWL ,ive now read it yippee
excellent writing ,the master puts you right there ,the smells,the sounds,the tastes
Rosa Klebbs massive knickers, no please missus,(what was he thinking)
but the ending the last page,obviousley our hero doesn't die,but now im strung out
does Bond end up in hospital? who long is he out for ,the mind is racing
as to Bonds well being which book do I get now, my brain says Goldfinger
but my heart says DR NO ,I want to relive Jamaica and Dunns river falls
in my minds eye ,please help
Dr No, hands down! It is a great continuation from FRWL. You might even learn some things about why Bond carries a PPK...
Now im confused ,as a non Bond Book reader FRWL was my first attempt
(I know im 53 and that's no excuse houses kids work ect)
but in my Bond world DR no was before FRWL (film wise )now I find book wise DR no is after FRWL
DOH so indeed I will get DR NO , as for the PPK that's not a big issue for me ,but will gladly learn why
not being a gun fan as such, I can see why Bond is issued (film wise with the PPK)
I would have gone for a Mauser Hsc myself, but im sure ASP9mm will put me right
so off to waterstones to get DR NO then
Eon had planned to start the film series with TB (Richard Maibaum had already started work on the screenplay) but the well-known legal problems with that story were just beginning. They didn't have the rights to CR, since Fleming had sold them years previously.
Shooting in Jamaica had major financial advantages at that time (I think this was called the Eady subsidy) so DN was a logical pick to be filmed first. Picking FRWL next was also a logical choice- the book had recieved a big publicity boost after being cited by JFK as a favourite.
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It's probably because I think the Fleming books are better, and everything written by Fleming is "cannonical" Bond as opposed to those written by continuation authors. I guess I'm a bit of a "Fleming purist" in that sense.
As for suggestions for a book to review, why not start at the beginning with Casino Royale?
I'm in! -{
Hi TP just finished chapter 15 (background to a spy) I was looking forward to this part of the film most of all
when JB meets KB , the words I.F uses paints a complete picture in the mind ,and takes me back to Turkey
the smell of the spices the mint, the black coffee, and the cigarette smoke ,pure magic. I enjoyed this chapter most of all
is the best yet to come ? I was disappointed to read that Bond did not order his coffee medium sweet as in the film
oh well
details help ground you in the story, The train sequence is especially good.
Oh yes, definitely. It's even better than the film
Yes,during chapter 15 (background to a spy) was supprised to read in the space of 8 paragraphs
that Fleming uses the word rape twice to describe the goings on of his family/countrymen
took me completely by supprise ,not that it doesn't fit in ,in fact it more than perfectly works
it just made my chuckle to think of Fleming sitting there in Goldeneye, typewriter,cup of tea in hand
writing about people being raped ? are there any more supprises in store
Totally agree , for me (being old enough (damm) ) I remember the old soviet union , and all its goings on
my dad worked in Moscow in the 70s in the exhibition game and remembers being shall we say watched
by men in big coats also myself ,have been lucky enough to have visited a lot of Bond locations
so to read/watch Bond is easier to relate to what the master is trying to portray ,cant wait to finish the book
any suggestions on wich one I should by next (this should be interesting Sir Miles
You're reading Dr. No next? Loved that one too.
pint of ice cold Magners,sun lounger and of course FRWL ,ive now read it yippee
excellent writing ,the master puts you right there ,the smells,the sounds,the tastes
Rosa Klebbs massive knickers, no please missus,(what was he thinking)
but the ending the last page,obviousley our hero doesn't die,but now im strung out
does Bond end up in hospital? who long is he out for ,the mind is racing
as to Bonds well being which book do I get now, my brain says Goldfinger
but my heart says DR NO ,I want to relive Jamaica and Dunns river falls
in my minds eye ,please help
(I know im 53 and that's no excuse houses kids work ect)
but in my Bond world DR no was before FRWL (film wise )now I find book wise DR no is after FRWL
DOH so indeed I will get DR NO , as for the PPK that's not a big issue for me ,but will gladly learn why
not being a gun fan as such, I can see why Bond is issued (film wise with the PPK)
I would have gone for a Mauser Hsc myself, but im sure ASP9mm will put me right
so off to waterstones to get DR NO then
Eon had planned to start the film series with TB (Richard Maibaum had already started work on the screenplay) but the well-known legal problems with that story were just beginning. They didn't have the rights to CR, since Fleming had sold them years previously.
Shooting in Jamaica had major financial advantages at that time (I think this was called the Eady subsidy) so DN was a logical pick to be filmed first. Picking FRWL next was also a logical choice- the book had recieved a big publicity boost after being cited by JFK as a favourite.