Dalton. Severely under rated.

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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,757Chief of Staff
    +1
    I find it amazing that they had intended to do a " flying carpet" gag in TLD. :#

    That's when they thought Moore could reprise the role...
    YNWA 97
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,757Chief of Staff
    Bondtoys wrote:
    I love watching Living Daylights and Licence to kill on silent..then you can see the awesome overacting by Dalton..

    hahaha, I love that observation - finally someone who accepts the reality.

    Your contribution wins you an honour membership in the "Tim Dalton Misty-Eyed Fan Club" - welcome on board -{

    Gracias...I shall be a proud member.....although I enjoy Dalton in that Stephen Berkoff is outta control in Octopussy kinda way. But yeah he was a crybaby like Craig..and had a complete disregard for orders. Craig at least has a reason..His M was incompetent & Schizophrenic. -{ -{ -{

    Good - that's two of you....now go play in a corner and leave the adults to have a grown up discussion :007)
    YNWA 97
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Sir Miles wrote:
    Good - that's two of you....now go play in a corner and leave the adults to have a grown up discussion :007)
    :)) :)) :)) You're so mean, Sir Miles! -{
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Bondtoys wrote:
    just want to give a counter-opinion into all that Dalton-fanboy-cheering *
    I found him weak and weepy and he almost sank the EON tanker ;) {[]

    :D No that's not true - there are many factors for the franchise troubles but one of them was Dalton's bad acceptance with the audience.

    *sometimes I wonder if I am in a One-Direction girlie forum or on a 007 board :o

    Ahh.......so you admit you've been checking out the One-Direction girlie forum! Good for you, Toys. Don't be afraid to be yourself!
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    so you admit you've been checking out the One-Direction girlie forum! Good for you, Toys. Don't be afraid to be yourself!
    One must embrace one's self. A lot. Bondtoys knows this. B-)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent

    Gracias...I shall be a proud member.....although I enjoy Dalton in that Stephen Berkoff is outta control in Octopussy kinda way. But yeah he was a crybaby like Craig..and had a complete disregard for orders. Craig at least has a reason..His M was incompetent & Schizophrenic. -{ -{ -{

    Well, Moore sometimes overacted as well - but with the difference that he did not take anything, anybody, any role seriously - but Dalton did.

    Dalton imo is an average man in all regards and is way away from being a cool cat like Connery and Moore. He tries to come over cool, urbane, serious but he's not.
    I doubt that when he came first into EON's office - the ladies where falling off their chairs like they did with Lazenby.

    To make things worse he limits himself actionwise to 2 expressions:
    Being seriously interested in a leading lady (particularly in TLD) and living out rage.

    Both he expresses by having wet eyes - that's why I call him weepy.

    He does not want to shoot Kara - tears
    Saunders gets shot - tears and he pops a balloon (imo the most ridiculous scene - never convinced me)
    He talks to Kara in the tent - tears
    He shares some time with her in Vienna - tears
    He gets reunited with her at the afghanistan base - tears

    He's asked about his previous marriage - tears
    He finds Della and Felix - tears
    He gets fired - tears

    the list is endless and that's my main beef with him.

    Not sure if you have ever seen a Bollywood Blockbuster movie. In hindi movies, actores express their feelings with tears! There is a lot of crying going on and I feel similarly embarrassed seeing my hero permanently shedding tears because his acting is so limited.

    It's just annoying!

    See how Roger says goodbye to Lisl after she's been killed by Loque and you see how great such a scene can be done without tears!
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I've never seen any of these tears. Have you a special emo setting on your Bluray player. :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    In all of these scenes he has misty eyes - just turn it on on HD ;)
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Perhaps it wasn't just Dalton's eyes that were misty. Watching those scenes. :))
    Although I'll look out for them on future viewings. :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    I think he's a rubbish screen presence. I caught him at the end of that Depp Jolie film The Tourist. Wanted to like him, but even in one moment when he's looking at a piece of paper he sort of has to exaggerate his expression, shaking his head a bit, so those in the gallery can see. It just seems awkward.

    That said, he is brilliant in Hot Fuzz, Framed (a Lynda La Plante drug smuggler thriller from the 90s - catch if you can, Toliso Soto or whatever from LTK is in it too) and pretty good in Lion in Winter. The common theme? He plays bad guys. But whenever he has to evoke sympathy, it just doesn't work for me. I think he was a bad guy in Flash Gordeon too and what little I saw I just didn't like in that either, I could always see him acting.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    I think he's a rubbish screen presence. I caught him at the end of that Depp Jolie film The Tourist. Wanted to like him, but even in one moment when he's looking at a piece of paper he sort of has to exaggerate his expression, shaking his head a bit, so those in the gallery can see. It just seems awkward.
    It's a theatrically trained style of acting, one which I happen to respect & enjoy. And I own The Tourist, in which he is great. :D
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • DelicatessenInSteelDelicatessenInSteel Posts: 181MI6 Agent
    I was watching the living daylights and just noticed how skinny and unthreatening he looks..theres that scene where he daintily jumps over the fence with Kara and is ambushed by the Mujahadin..he's as skinny as her and looks like the wind could blow him over..and he looks silly throwing a punch like he's uncomfortable. Other than that I think he's great.. I love all the Bonds..excluding Brosnan even though I may not like most of their movies..Craig, Connery.
    1.MoonRaker 2.OHMSS 3.LALD 4.OP 5.FYEO 6.DR. NO 7.YOLT 8.LTK 9.CR 10.AVTAK
  • DelicatessenInSteelDelicatessenInSteel Posts: 181MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    I think he's a rubbish screen presence. I caught him at the end of that Depp Jolie film The Tourist. Wanted to like him, but even in one moment when he's looking at a piece of paper he sort of has to exaggerate his expression, shaking his head a bit, so those in the gallery can see. It just seems awkward.
    It's a theatrically trained style of acting, one which I happen to respect & enjoy. And I own The Tourist, in which he is great. :D

    Absolutely agree on the theatrical style & acting for the Gallery..subtle he is not..he makes Roger Moore's eyebrow raising sublime in its delicate understatedness. But thats why he's great..I don't take him seriously as Bond so that makes him fun. :D
    1.MoonRaker 2.OHMSS 3.LALD 4.OP 5.FYEO 6.DR. NO 7.YOLT 8.LTK 9.CR 10.AVTAK
  • Rainier WolfcastleRainier Wolfcastle Posts: 484MI6 Agent
    edited August 2013
    chrisisall wrote:
    It's a theatrically trained style of acting, one which I happen to respect & enjoy.
    Stage acting and screen acting are two different things. Dalton's "acting" is like watching an old Buster Keaton movie. Great acting when watching a Shakespeare play from the last row in a stage theater, or even works in films like "Flash Gordon" and "Rocketeer" and of course "The Lion in Winter" - but please not for Bond. And even as the oh-so-Fleming Bond he still sat in the cello case or on that magic carpet when the director shouted "Action!" No difference to Moore in his clown suit. They get handsomely paid to deliver what the producers and directors want. Why the poor writing and direction are always held against Moore (as if he blackmailed Cubby to include the Tarzan yell or had to twist an arm to get a double-take pigeon) while the same poor writing and direction in Dalton's films are still Moore's fault ("stupid gags written with [_] Roger Moore [_] Pierce Brosnan in mind").


    So, why is it that you - now the high priest of the Church of the Latter-Day Fanboys of Timothy Dalton - needed a quarter of a century to see the greatness of Dalton and his two Bond films? Just a few of your quotes (ah, isn't the search function great? :p )
    chrisisall wrote:
    Dalton was surely intense, and had that edge, but lacked the casual indifference & controlled cool surface Bond needs to present to the world, probably a result of lazy direction more than anything else IMO.
    chrisisall wrote:
    The Living Daylights- Decent enough plot, Dalton tries hard, but he's just too excitable for me.
    chrisisall wrote:
    But there IS one Bond movie I hate.
    No, it's not the misfire known as Die Another Day (and Lord knows I dislike that flick immensely), it's Licence To Kill.
    That movie is right up there with Highlander 2 & Steel Magnolias. I hate it.
    It's just another mean 80's Die Hard-like in-your-face fest. They even had Michael Kamen (Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Last Boyscout) doing the score. We get to see a woman beaten over & over to tears, a man get his leg chewed off by a shark, a dude's head pop in a pressure chamber, etc...
    There was a plot of sorts, but between Dalton's growing scowl & big rigs doing wheelies, I find it hard to recall.
    But I can't forget the villain's end- set on fire & blown up... and then blown up more. ajb007/insane
    Oh, and after all the grim we get Felix happy on the phone as if nothing at all has happened (or as Calvin Dyson put it, "Well he sounds all jovial, someone want to ring him up & remind him his wife was just brutally murdered?").
    Wait- that wasn't offensive enough, let's see a stone fish wink at us too. ajb007/mad
    So, DAD was nonsense, but LTK was fresh skunk roadkill. IMO, of course.
    chrisisall wrote:
    Back in '79 I saw MR, and walked out grieving.
    Then FYEO and I felt a bit better.
    Then OP & I was like, uh, okaaaaay.
    Then AVTAK, and I was like, did they really HAVE to?
    Then TLD, and I kinda liked it a little...
    Then LTK, and I realized I'd never see a really great Bond movie ever again.
    Then Goldeneye, which was like a gift from the gods. Enthusiasm renewed! But 16 years of no great Bond movies surely sucked.
    ... and that was just on the first three pages! :o :D

    So, what happened? Figured that if you want to belong to the cool bunch of AJB and MI6 you'd have to praise Dalton suddenly? ;)
    Although it is well known that all the cool guys like Moore's films best! :p But there's still time to become wiser and change your opinion again! :))





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    (photo: conceptcarz.com)

    Let's face the truth: Dalton's films (and also OHMSS, sorry BT :)) ) are the "Edsel Bonds". Nobody wanted to see the films just like nobody wanted to buy the cars ("nobody" of couse being an exageration for both films and cars - a small group was brave enough).
    And now, if you see a 1958 Edsel convertible on the street, you think "Great car!" - Which doesn't at all look out of place among the Pontiacs or Oldsmobiles of the time, although its horsecollar grille is still distinctive.

    Just like all the Dalton fanboys that either didn't like the films back then or weren't even born and wouldn't find the iron curtain on a map of Europe, now telling us decades later how great Dalton was. And too bad that he didn't make more movies, and that the audiences back then were too stupid to see the greatness of Dalton's acting and therefore just couldn't appreciate the "realistic" cold-war plot of TLD and the "Flemingesque" revenge story of LTK ... 8-)


    Enjoy his films, put his lifesize poster on your bedroom wall if you must, but why do the Dalton fanboys always come across like missionaries? If you think Dalton was the best, why not enjoy being a member of a very exclusive club without having to belittle other members? Do you see fans of the other Bond actors ever do the same? (Well, there are a few Craig fans who think that everything before was utter crap.)
    Edsel owners are proud of their cars but they won't tell you that the Edsel was the greatest car ever made, years ahead of its time and the auto-buying public in 1958/59 was so extremely stupid.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    edited August 2013
    So, why is it that you - now the high priest of the Church of the Latter-Day Fanboys of Timothy Dalton - needed a quarter of a century to see the greatness of Dalton and his two Bond films? Just a few of your quotes (ah, isn't the search function great? :p )
    chrisisall wrote:
    But there IS one Bond movie I hate.
    No, it's not the misfire known as Die Another Day (and Lord knows I dislike that flick immensely), it's Licence To Kill.
    That movie is right up there with Highlander 2 & Steel Magnolias. I hate it.
    It's just another mean 80's Die Hard-like in-your-face fest. They even had Michael Kamen (Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Last Boyscout) doing the score. We get to see a woman beaten over & over to tears, a man get his leg chewed off by a shark, a dude's head pop in a pressure chamber, etc...
    There was a plot of sorts, but between Dalton's growing scowl & big rigs doing wheelies, I find it hard to recall.
    But I can't forget the villain's end- set on fire & blown up... and then blown up more. ajb007/insane
    Oh, and after all the grim we get Felix happy on the phone as if nothing at all has happened (or as Calvin Dyson put it, "Well he sounds all jovial, someone want to ring him up & remind him his wife was just brutally murdered?").
    Wait- that wasn't offensive enough, let's see a stone fish wink at us too. ajb007/mad
    So, DAD was nonsense, but LTK was fresh skunk roadkill. IMO, of course.
    I plead guilty to talking out of my butt back when I first joined, commenting on films that strenuously that I'd not actually SEEN in decades. I Thank the Daltonites here for setting me straight & getting me to give them another chance. And I do not belittle people who do not enjoy the thespian antics of Mr. Dalton like I do, I just demand respect for the dude, just like any other Bond actor.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Rainier WolfcastleRainier Wolfcastle Posts: 484MI6 Agent
    But still: You did see them back in 1987 and 1989 and didn't like them back then. So why constantly lamenting that Dalton only did two films and should've done more if you maybe would not even paid to watch the next one?

    And please, could you remove the image from my quote? ;%
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    Hey RW, I am starting to like you :x *

    I even forgive you the OHMSS snide remark. Many people have it on top of their list, as far as I know, it performed better than the Dalton movies but the OHMSS admirers are not even closely fanatical as the Timboys ( hey a new word for the AJB glossary)

    As for the Edsel, I have always thought, that it's lack of sales was because the grille looked like a vagina and in the 60s, men drove cars, but certainly not cars with a pussy :D

    * I am giving out another honorable membership to the TDMEFC
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Hey :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    edited August 2013
    ...that aside, I find it refreshening to see some more Dalton critics. I have often felt very lonely in these Timboy threads - took a lot of flak but kept course {[]
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,757Chief of Staff
    Bondtoys wrote:
    ...that aside, I find it refreshening to see some more Dalton critics. I have often felt very lonely in these Timboy threads - took a lot of flak but kept course {[]

    That's because there are not many crack-pots like yourself around - most of us have taste on AJB -{

    :p
    YNWA 97
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    Sorry to say that chrisisall has been hanging around mi6-hq, a very intense, humourless crowd, and it has rubbed off on him. Kudos to Wolfcastle, what a dude! -{ :D

    Yeah, Dalton's physique was odd, like his head was too large for his body. He never tanned, or bulked up a bit. He gets his shirt off in LTK once I think and seems a bit embarrassed. Brozzer didn't much get ripped either, so no wonder when Craig made an effort it was a big deal - the first fit looking Bond since, get this, 1969!!! :o :o
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • Rainier WolfcastleRainier Wolfcastle Posts: 484MI6 Agent
    Thanks Nap and BT, a few voices of reason on these threads -{ I almost completely stopped posting outside the collecting forum because of the increasing hostility against the traditional Bond films and especially Moore and Brosnan from the "Flemingists" 8-) (who generally don't appear to be the most likeable bunch of people - but that would be one for the "unpopular Bond opinions" thread {:)).

    Still, the constant repetition of the "Dalton & The Stupid Audiences" mantra was getting on my nerves, returning in every single Dalton thread - here again in the form of
    It's weird how audiences didn't receive his performance that well during that time. His Bond was to 'dark' and 'realistic', while Craig gets all the praise for being exactly that! It is often said Dalton's Bond was ahead of it's time, and people simply weren't ready for it...



    I just want to make clear that the last paragraphs of the previous post and the comment about belittling other members were aimed at the "Dalton fanboys" but not at chrisisall specifically. chrisisall also enjoys Brosnan, Connery and Moore films and he, like Thunderpussy, is not one of those Dalton fans who completely disregard the "traditional formula" Bond films (and indirectly those who enjoy them) as stupid.
    Such comments usually come from the die-hard "Flemingist" corner, those who generally dislike everything made after FRWL up to TLD, with the possible exception of OHMSS. (But with about 2,500 posts praising Dalton within a year chrisisall is nevertheless guilty of being one of the more annoying fanboys ;))
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    The first Bond movie I ever saw in the movie theater was Goldfinger. I was 10 years old and I enjoyed the hell out of it. I've been a Bond film fan ever since. I absolutely love the Connery Films, and I have a great deal of affection for the other films as well. Craig has impressed me a great deal with his portrayal of Bond, and I like all 3 of his films, with Casino Royale being my favorite. Brosnan was pretty decent in the role as well, although I don't believe his films lived up to their full potential because I feel the scripts were generally weak (especially TND and DAD). I also feel very strongly that Dalton is excellent in the role. I felt that way even before I ever read any of the novels, and now when I read them I automatically see Dalton's Bond. That's not because I am some sort of rigid Fleming fanatic (I haven't even read all of the novels yet), nor is it because Dalton appears to be the closest physical match to the Bond described in the books. It's because I think he plays the role well - as an intelligent, skilled agent who takes his job seriously and who is occasionally conflicted about what he does for a living. I think he does fine with the physical aspects of the role (unlike Moore, for example), and while he's a bit awkward with the quips, that fortunately does not play a large role in his incarnation of 007. I never suggest that anyone who disagrees with my opinion of Dalton is wrong, or stupid, or uninformed. That would be nonsense. By the same token, all of the barbs thrown at Dalton for being too theatrical or intense or "misty-eyed" is just so much background noise to me. I think he plays the role brilliantly and the fact that he only did two Bond films strikes me as a real missed opportunity for the franchise.
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,757Chief of Staff
    Thanks Nap and BT, a few voices of reason on these threads -{

    This line alone destroys any credibility you then try and attach to your posts :))
    YNWA 97
  • DelicatessenInSteelDelicatessenInSteel Posts: 181MI6 Agent
    Brilliant post..I like Dalton but the love for him and Craig is outta proportion & outta control . They seem to ignore audience reaction at the time and box office and cling to their own or other opinions they may have copied to makeup their own minds. -{
    1.MoonRaker 2.OHMSS 3.LALD 4.OP 5.FYEO 6.DR. NO 7.YOLT 8.LTK 9.CR 10.AVTAK
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Brilliant post..I like Dalton but the love for him and Craig is outta proportion & outta control . They seem to ignore audience reaction at the time and box office and cling to their own or other opinions they may have copied to makeup their own minds. -{

    Who is this mysterious "they" you refer to? My admiration for Dalton and Craig stems from the simple fact that in my opinion the way they portray Bond works better for the character than some of the other portrayals. I'm sure many of their other fans feel the same way. You and some others disagree. That's fine. But the notion that Dalton and Craig fans are somehow out of control or brainwashed by the opinions of others seems to me to be as silly and unfair as the criticism of non-Dalton fans for not "getting it". Some fans love Connery, some are huge Moore fans, others lean more towards Dalton or Craig. And there are fans who legitimately feel that ALL of the Bond actors are deserving of equal praise. I just assume all of those opinions are based on genuine feelings and not the product of coercion, ignorance, brainwashing, etc.
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    chrisisall also enjoys Brosnan, Connery and Moore films and he, like Thunderpussy, is not one of those Dalton fans who completely disregard the "traditional formula" Bond films (and indirectly those who enjoy them) as stupid.
    Well, thanks...
    (But with about 2,500 posts praising Dalton within a year chrisisall is nevertheless guilty of being one of the more annoying fanboys ;))
    Sorry, I discuss many other things over the course of a year. I do love Dalton, but I've recently been discussing Moore and Brosnan more.
    I shall, however, endeavor to be less annoying about it, happy now? :))

    And for the record, I like all the Bond actors, even Lazenby. They all brought (and bring) something great to the party.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    chrisisall also enjoys Brosnan, Connery and Moore films and he, like Thunderpussy, is not one of those Dalton fans who completely disregard the "traditional formula" Bond films (and indirectly those who enjoy them) as stupid.
    Well, thanks...
    (But with about 2,500 posts praising Dalton within a year chrisisall is nevertheless guilty of being one of the more annoying fanboys ;))
    Sorry, I discuss many other things over the course of a year. I do love Dalton, but I've recently been discussing Moore and Brosnan more.
    I shall, however, endeavor to be less annoying about it, happy now? :))

    And for the record, I like all the Bond actors, even Lazenby. They all brought (and bring) something great to the party.

    No need to apologize, Chris. Your praise of Dalton hasn't been out of line, and you've been more than fair to the other actors. -{
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    No need to apologize, Chris. Your praise of Dalton hasn't been out of line, and you've been more than fair to the other actors. -{
    Thank you sir! -{
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,757Chief of Staff
    Brilliant post..I like Dalton but the love for him and Craig is outta proportion & outta control . They seem to ignore audience reaction at the time and box office and cling to their own or other opinions they may have copied to makeup their own minds. -{

    Thanks - you'll learn that all my posts are brilliant :D

    The 'love' for Dalton and Craig is of the EXACT same proportion as all the negative - and unwarranted - tripe that some trot out against them...

    You mention "audience reaction and box office" ?:) Really ? Dalton was perceived as a decent choice in the press and his films made a decent profit...Craig had to endure a terrible reaction UNTIL people actually saw the films - then you got 'box office meltdown'....his films have broken box office records...and yet 'some' people will still try and claim that he, and his films, are awful...go figure :s
    YNWA 97
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