if I recall correctly, I have been constantly asked to back up my claim that the Dalton Bonds flopped at the bo - which I did
This is another instance of 'Granny knows best'
Neither of Dalton's films 'flopped' at the box office....both made a healthy profit....to say anything else is silly....maybe they didn't make as MUCH profit as was hoped for - but we can't know that for certain, unless Babs & Mickey say so in public...
I also think its perfectly acceptable for people to change their opinions...as one gets older its POSSIBLE one gets wiser B-) Just look at how MANY changed their opinion of Craig...so I hold no store at all by the comments of 'RW'....even more so as I asked him a question that he has neglected to answer, a sure sign of 'facts made up syndrome'
Remember people...88.75% of all statistics are made up )
Dear Sir Miles :x
you can repeat it on and on - it does not get much better by repeating it.
You know a bit about my professional background and my experiences with brands and franchises:
I am too lazy to check the real numbers again, so take the numbers as an example:
EDIT: Ah, forget it, I have tried to explain it to you previously, so why should I expect that you understand it today.
That's a bad excuse for the management - particularly when they say: "We are still profitable".
Real business does not work like that and if you don't believe me, ask kewee :v
Now as for changing opinions: I have no problem with it - I do it all the time!
What I don't like is when in the case of your pal, he shoehorned his fanatism into every possible topic and discussion. This happened for many months, it's gotten better.
What I don't accept from him are the personal remarks.
You are (officially) entiteled to call me everything you want but I choose when I don't like it from others -{
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Remember people...88.75% of all statistics are made up )
So you say.... )
...and 100% that you are getting from me!
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,757Chief of Staff
I'm MUCH happier hearing the line 'we are still profitable' than 'we are losing money' and the Dalton films made money :007) Not that that should be the over-riding issue as to whether you LIKE something/somebody or not...some don't like Craig even though his Bond films have been box-office gold -{
I'm sure some of the, err...'watches'...you post on here sell for good money...doesn't mean they are nice though B-)
But they sucked at the boxoffice. Summer release (which often happened with Connery/Moore releases as well) may have been a factor, Dalton was another one - imo a bigger one!
I for my part would like to return to topic - god how I hate that off-topic talk
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,757Chief of Staff
You did say that the Dalton movies flopped at the box-office...a term I would take - in the context given - to mean a loss...I suppose the more modern term of 'under-performed' is better suited ) but, as you say...that's not all Tim's fault...
See...I mention your crappy watch taste and all of a sudden you cave in and want to move on... )
You did say that the Dalton movies flopped at the box-office...a term I would take - in the context given - to mean a loss...I suppose the more modern term of 'under-performed' is better suited )
Your interpretation - not my fault
Yes his movies where flops because they underpreformed.
See...I mention your crappy watch taste and all of a sudden you cave in and want to move on... )
My degree of fanatism does not go far enough to missionate you on my impeccable taste and knowledge when it comes to watches.
That's why I am changing the topic with disgust everytime that you show up with your lack of taste and knowledge re. watches.
However your cleanup - knowledge and experience is not beaten -{
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I share RWs opinion about your change in personal opinion and the degree of fanatism that you are following this. IMO You are certainly one of "them".
I'm coming to get you, Barbara...
Back when I first joined, I also didn't own or have any desire to see CR or QOS or YOLT or LALD or FYEO. This too has changed. I didn't change my attitude concerning THEM to be in with any 'cool crowd' either.
Sometimes people change a bit here & there with time. Sometimes people take other people's advice & give stuff a new chance. Sometimes we evolve.
Unless we are already perfect, like you, Sir Toys. :007)
But that's a huge difference to attacking the fans of others actors like "brainwashed minions who actually pay to watch a mug-eared midget", "Moore? - Clown suit, need I say more?" as if Moore fans watch the films solely because of this or the double-take pigeons, and not to forget the "stupid audiences at the time". X-(
(These lines all come more or less directly from the aggressive die-hard-Daltonist/Flemingist corner.)
Or more or less directly from the ether....but, giving you a chance to prove me wrong - whom exactly do you attribute those quotes too..?..and whom would you put in the 'Daltonist/Flemingist corner' ?
I hold no store at all by the comments of 'RW'....even more so as I asked him a question that he has neglected to answer, a sure sign of 'facts made up syndrome'
Remember people...88.75% of all statistics are made up )
You asked yesterday evening and today evening I am researching - what did you expect? Some people have a job... 8-)
You know them well enough and have clashed with them in the past, one was even banned recently. Parts I may have read on other forums, or offending posts are regularly deleted so it's not that surprising that I can't give you direct search results.
The "Clown suit, need I say more?" came from a post where Peter Travers was quoted, so is not from this forum. (But probably can be found here too but I admit that I have misremembered.) No Daltonist as he puts TLD and LTK (or should I better write FSR - fresh skunk roadkill ), chrisisall?) right were they belong, at the very bottom right above QOS.
The "brainwashed minions who actually pay to watch a mug-eared midget" was the extracted essence of some posts and comprised in one sentence. But also included what others have extracted from the same content in their replies, even though the poster didn't say so literally.
Like one poster writing about the DC movies "as long as that morose, apologetic, whining actor fills the suit" and "What perturbs me even more than the film itself is the acceptance it has received" (needless to say from a frustrated die-hard Daltonist but one of the anti-Craig faction) it can be read as "Why did all those idiots watch this film and make it so successful?". No, "idiots" wasn't written there white on grey, just as the "brainwashed minions" weren't - that came from a reply. (Well, it was "unwashed" instead of "brainwashed".)
Our friend on the other hand, continues to lecture and talk down to us uneducated, unwashed minions.
... another even felt addressed as "ignorant scum" from that same post:
Yeah that's right....we are all ignorant scum not fit to breathe the same air as yourself...how can we possibly understand or begin to comprehend what drivel is served up before us as entertainment, as we are mere plebs
The "mug-eared midget" was a small exaggeration from me. But surely excusable, as the reply with the "ignorant scum" came from you, Sir Miles, remember?
LTK (or should I better write FSR - fresh skunk roadkill ), chrisisall?)
As we are discussing a fictional character in a movie I understand & accept not everyone holds in such high regard as I, this cheap ploy at irritating me just doesn't work Mr. Wolf.
This would never happen, but imagine if they brought back Dalton as a Villain! He was an excellent eccentric bad guy in Hot Fuzz, just imagine T-Dal against Craig. Ugh. Make it happen Broccoli!
Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,757Chief of Staff
You asked yesterday evening and today evening I am researching - what did you expect? Some people have a job... 8-)
You have to research ? Why ? You should know where these quotes/people are before coming out with stupid statements...and you worked today...well done you !
You know them well enough and have clashed with them in the past, one was even banned recently. Parts I may have read on other forums, or offending posts are regularly deleted so it's not that surprising that I can't give you direct search results.
I'm not here to find answers for you...I asked YOU for YOUR opinion...do I need to think for you now ?
And now you tell me most of these come from 'other forums'... 8-)
You also tell me that you have put your own spin on other peoples words - that's nice of you... 8-)
... another even felt addressed as "ignorant scum" from that same post:
Yeah that's right....we are all ignorant scum not fit to breathe the same air as yourself...how can we possibly understand or begin to comprehend what drivel is served up before us as entertainment, as we are mere plebs
The "mug-eared midget" was a small exaggeration from me. But surely excusable, as the reply with the "ignorant scum" came from you, Sir Miles, remember?
And now you take words out of context to try and back up your non-existant claims...nuff said...I was right...and you couldn't even answer the straight question I asked of you... 8-)
This would never happen, but imagine if they brought back Dalton as a Villain! He was an excellent eccentric bad guy in Hot Fuzz, just imagine T-Dal against Craig. Ugh. Make it happen Broccoli!
Don't forget his fantastic 4 episodes as a villain on CHUCK recently!
Just found this thread - Dalton has always been my fave - he's equally at home in a tuxedo, a uniform or anything in between - he has the sense of moral outrage at the injustices he's fighting (which all of the Bond's have with the exception of Craig and Lazenby). He can be dramatic, funny, romantic and violent. As others have said, it's a real shame the franchise was dying at the time despite both TLD and LTK being excellent films with great story lines and characters. Dalton was just right - not too silly like Moore, not too superficial like Brosnan, not too sexist like Connery, and not too gritty and scarred like Craig.
Dalton was just right - not too silly like Moore, not too superficial like Brosnan, not too sexist like Connery, and not too gritty and scarred like Craig.
Very interesting comparison there! -{
Always love to meet Daltonites!
don't let you discourage by the "tell me the person" questions. The search function is crap here and you've echoed the general tone and content how particularly the Moore outcomes are labelled by the Dalton Timboys.
I don't frequent other boards (Sir Miles would recommend it and to leave here forwever :v ) and have seen very unfriendly remarks re. Moore's looks, age and performance in fights.
On countless occasions I read the "casual audiences" term just to despise people who don't agree on their pov re. Dalton.
The points you made are valid -{ and I agree with them.
Stage acting and screen acting are two different things. Dalton's "acting" is like watching an old Buster Keaton movie. Great acting when watching a Shakespeare play from the last row in a stage theater, or even works in films like "Flash Gordon" and "Rocketeer" and of course "The Lion in Winter" - but please not for Bond.
And even as the oh-so-Fleming Bond he still sat in the cello case or on that magic carpet when the director shouted "Action!" No difference to Moore in his clown suit. They get handsomely paid to deliver what the producers and directors want. Why the poor writing and direction are always held against Moore (as if he blackmailed Cubby to include the Tarzan yell or had to twist an arm to get a double-take pigeon) while the same poor writing and direction in Dalton's films are still Moore's fault ("stupid gags written with [_] Roger Moore [_] Pierce Brosnan in mind").
Let's face the truth: Dalton's films (and also OHMSS, sorry BT ) ) are the "Edsel Bonds". Nobody wanted to see the films just like nobody wanted to buy the cars ("nobody" of couse being an exageration for both films and cars - a small group was brave enough).
Just like all the Dalton fanboys that either didn't like the films back then or weren't even born and wouldn't find the iron curtain on a map of Europe, now telling us decades later how great Dalton was. And too bad that he didn't make more movies, and that the audiences back then were too stupid to see the greatness of Dalton's acting and therefore just couldn't appreciate the "realistic" cold-war plot of TLD and the "Flemingesque" revenge story of LTK ... 8-)
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
the general tone and content how particularly the Moore outcomes are labelled by the Dalton Timboys.
I ... have seen very unfriendly remarks re. Moore's looks, age and performance in fights.
Dalton was just right - not too silly like Moore, not too superficial like Brosnan, not too sexist like Connery, and not too gritty and scarred like Craig.
I feel a bit sorry for you having only 2 Bond movies that you really can enjoy because all other movies where too ....
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Silly silly British man. It means 'favourite' as in "I like-y the best" not "I can't enjoy others."
Sorry, I have too much fun pokin' you dude. )
You are obviously so self centered and ignorant to realize that I am german and not british.
As for "poking me" why don't you simply **** yourself and leave the adults alone?
And just for the record: I was not even talking to you in that previos post.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
You are obviously so self centered and ignorant to realize that I am german and not british.
Ha ha, I've used that line from Buffy before on you, and you clearly do not remember that I know you're German... Bondtots please don't have a tantrum.... :v
don't let you discourage by the "tell me the person" questions. The search function is crap here and you've echoed the general tone and content how particularly the Moore outcomes are labelled by the Dalton Timboys.
I don't frequent other boards (Sir Miles would recommend it and to leave here forwever :v ) and have seen very unfriendly remarks re. Moore's looks, age and performance in fights.
On countless occasions I read the "casual audiences" term just to despise people who don't agree on their pov re. Dalton.
The points you made are valid -{ and I agree with them.
I asked whom made the remarks because I believed that A: they were made up to support the argument and B: I wanted to know whom he thought was a fanatical Flemingist/Daltonite...to which he admitted that most of the remarks were from other boards or 'his' version of what 'he thought' people were saying...so using the search function would be futile 8-) and I'm still waiting for an answer to the other...
"Echoing the general tone" ?:) Ah right - Making it up B-)
So far all ladies that enjoyed a viewing of a Bond movie with me where
8-) really??
when they saw Dalton.
Never happened with the other fellas.
Sir Miles will show up telling me that I don't know the right women - maybe we should ask Lexi, Mo and Alessandra about their opinion re. Daltons attraction to women
And I can already feel the outcoming - Sir Miles is wrong -{
A bit late to the party, but I find Dalton WAY more attractive than Brosnan....
I love Dalton's take on Bond, however I absolutely hated Kira Milovy, and for me ruined TLD...
She's worth whatever chaos she brings to the table and you know it. ~ Mark Anthony
Sir Miles, I certainly didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition!
Look, it's a difference what's written in word and what's standing there between the lines. The "between the lines" search function is not yet working properly, so - no, I can't (and wouldn't anyway) give proper source citations as for a dissertation. That's why I wrote "more or less directly" from this corner, and no, I didn't search for the exact lines prior to that.
That's why I quoted you - and not out of context, as this member is just a more notorious one - as you do just the same in your replies: extract what's written between the lines and exaggerate. That's perfectly normal behavior in a discussion outside of academic circles. That's why you "made up" the "ignorant scum" in your reply because that was what you read between the lines in the preceding post.
I take offence in the aggressive nature of some members here (ad hoc four or five), and if you read daily as I do, you should notice that's always the same few, usually from the extremist Dalton corner. Thankfully it's just the few, the majority here is more open-minded and have more humour than on the other James Bond forums, the very reason I have only registered here.
But you can be assured, Sir Miles, that you also belong to the few with an aggressive attitude towards others who don't share your opinion. This has been noticed by other members as well as you have already been asked: "Who moderates you, Sir Miles?"
This was just how I remembered so I have searched for the exact quote especially for you. This quote can be found using the search function.
Hey, Sir Miles, who moderates you?
That's a pretty rude response of yours.
But honestly I don't want to waste my time on this thread any longer.
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Dear Sir Miles :x
you can repeat it on and on - it does not get much better by repeating it.
You know a bit about my professional background and my experiences with brands and franchises:
I am too lazy to check the real numbers again, so take the numbers as an example:
EDIT: Ah, forget it, I have tried to explain it to you previously, so why should I expect that you understand it today.
That's a bad excuse for the management - particularly when they say: "We are still profitable".
Real business does not work like that and if you don't believe me, ask kewee :v
Now as for changing opinions: I have no problem with it - I do it all the time!
What I don't like is when in the case of your pal, he shoehorned his fanatism into every possible topic and discussion. This happened for many months, it's gotten better.
What I don't accept from him are the personal remarks.
You are (officially) entiteled to call me everything you want but I choose when I don't like it from others -{
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
...and 100% that you are getting from me!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I'm sure some of the, err...'watches'...you post on here sell for good money...doesn't mean they are nice though B-)
It's all subjective... -{
But they sucked at the boxoffice. Summer release (which often happened with Connery/Moore releases as well) may have been a factor, Dalton was another one - imo a bigger one!
I for my part would like to return to topic - god how I hate that off-topic talk
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
See...I mention your crappy watch taste and all of a sudden you cave in and want to move on...
Your interpretation - not my fault
Yes his movies where flops because they underpreformed.
did I?
My degree of fanatism does not go far enough to missionate you on my impeccable taste and knowledge when it comes to watches.
That's why I am changing the topic with disgust everytime that you show up with your lack of taste and knowledge re. watches.
However your cleanup - knowledge and experience is not beaten -{
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
When it comes to watches he does not know an arse from an ace
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Good...because there is a good chance I'll get my rolling pin out and smack him on the head with it
More likely that would just break my rolling pin though
Back when I first joined, I also didn't own or have any desire to see CR or QOS or YOLT or LALD or FYEO. This too has changed. I didn't change my attitude concerning THEM to be in with any 'cool crowd' either.
Sometimes people change a bit here & there with time. Sometimes people take other people's advice & give stuff a new chance. Sometimes we evolve.
Unless we are already perfect, like you, Sir Toys. :007)
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You know them well enough and have clashed with them in the past, one was even banned recently. Parts I may have read on other forums, or offending posts are regularly deleted so it's not that surprising that I can't give you direct search results.
The "Clown suit, need I say more?" came from a post where Peter Travers was quoted, so is not from this forum. (But probably can be found here too but I admit that I have misremembered.) No Daltonist as he puts TLD and LTK (or should I better write FSR - fresh skunk roadkill
The "brainwashed minions who actually pay to watch a mug-eared midget" was the extracted essence of some posts and comprised in one sentence. But also included what others have extracted from the same content in their replies, even though the poster didn't say so literally.
Like one poster writing about the DC movies "as long as that morose, apologetic, whining actor fills the suit" and "What perturbs me even more than the film itself is the acceptance it has received" (needless to say from a frustrated die-hard Daltonist but one of the anti-Craig faction) it can be read as "Why did all those idiots watch this film and make it so successful?". No, "idiots" wasn't written there white on grey, just as the "brainwashed minions" weren't - that came from a reply. (Well, it was "unwashed" instead of "brainwashed".)
... another even felt addressed as "ignorant scum" from that same post:
The "mug-eared midget" was a small exaggeration from me. But surely excusable, as the reply with the "ignorant scum" came from you, Sir Miles, remember?
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You have to research ? Why ? You should know where these quotes/people are before coming out with stupid statements...and you worked today...well done you !
I'm not here to find answers for you...I asked YOU for YOUR opinion...do I need to think for you now ?
And now you tell me most of these come from 'other forums'... 8-)
You also tell me that you have put your own spin on other peoples words - that's nice of you... 8-)
And now you take words out of context to try and back up your non-existant claims...nuff said...I was right...and you couldn't even answer the straight question I asked of you... 8-)
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Always love to meet Daltonites!
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don't let you discourage by the "tell me the person" questions. The search function is crap here and you've echoed the general tone and content how particularly the Moore outcomes are labelled by the Dalton Timboys.
I don't frequent other boards (Sir Miles would recommend it and to leave here forwever :v ) and have seen very unfriendly remarks re. Moore's looks, age and performance in fights.
On countless occasions I read the "casual audiences" term just to despise people who don't agree on their pov re. Dalton.
The points you made are valid -{ and I agree with them.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
http://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/42206/roger-moore-a-bond-of-his-own/
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I feel a bit sorry for you having only 2 Bond movies that you really can enjoy because all other movies where too ....
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Sorry, I have too much fun pokin' you dude.
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You are obviously so self centered and ignorant to realize that I am german and not british.
As for "poking me" why don't you simply **** yourself and leave the adults alone?
And just for the record: I was not even talking to you in that previos post.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
I asked whom made the remarks because I believed that A: they were made up to support the argument and B: I wanted to know whom he thought was a fanatical Flemingist/Daltonite...to which he admitted that most of the remarks were from other boards or 'his' version of what 'he thought' people were saying...so using the search function would be futile 8-) and I'm still waiting for an answer to the other...
"Echoing the general tone" ?:) Ah right - Making it up B-)
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
But that's what I'm trying to find out from him...who are they..?..and what is he taking offence at ?
A bit late to the party, but I find Dalton WAY more attractive than Brosnan....
I love Dalton's take on Bond, however I absolutely hated Kira Milovy, and for me ruined TLD...
Look, it's a difference what's written in word and what's standing there between the lines. The "between the lines" search function is not yet working properly, so - no, I can't (and wouldn't anyway) give proper source citations as for a dissertation. That's why I wrote "more or less directly" from this corner, and no, I didn't search for the exact lines prior to that.
That's why I quoted you - and not out of context, as this member is just a more notorious one - as you do just the same in your replies: extract what's written between the lines and exaggerate. That's perfectly normal behavior in a discussion outside of academic circles. That's why you "made up" the "ignorant scum" in your reply because that was what you read between the lines in the preceding post.
I take offence in the aggressive nature of some members here (ad hoc four or five), and if you read daily as I do, you should notice that's always the same few, usually from the extremist Dalton corner. Thankfully it's just the few, the majority here is more open-minded and have more humour than on the other James Bond forums, the very reason I have only registered here.
But you can be assured, Sir Miles, that you also belong to the few with an aggressive attitude towards others who don't share your opinion. This has been noticed by other members as well as you have already been asked: "Who moderates you, Sir Miles?"
This was just how I remembered so I have searched for the exact quote especially for you. This quote can be found using the search function.
But honestly I don't want to waste my time on this thread any longer.