Poor Man's James Bond Watch Tudor 79220R

Donald GrantDonald Grant U.S.A.Posts: 2,251Quartermasters
When the Tudor Heritage Black Bay 79220R watch was introduced at Basel 2012, I was very excited. I knew I had to add one to my watch collection. After they started filtering out to customers, I called Rolex about the watch and was told that Tudor was no longer available in the U.S. I asked my watchmaker about this, a man who worked for over 20 years at Rolex and who still has contacts there. He said that U.S. customers were more focused on Rolex and that Tudor had suffered as a result. My good friend Bondtoys offered to pick up one for me in Germany, but I told him I was going to make a trip to Canada to pick one up. Later when I had discussed with my watchmaker the proposed trip to Canada to pick up a Black Bay (79220R) he said wait, he had been informed that Tudor was returning to the U.S.

Flash forward to roughly three weeks ago and I checked the Tudor website and it had listed U.S. dealers for the 79220R. I called a bunch of them and they all said the Tudors were coming back, but it would probably be 2 months before they had them in stock. Then, last week, one of the dealers I left my contact information with called and said the watch was in. I got down there just as fast as I could and scooped one up.

So how is this a poor man's James Bond Watch? Well the original Tudor 7922 Submariner was available, according to Tudorcollector.com, alongside the Rolex 6538 (one of the models thought to be worn by Connery) in either the small crown version, or the "big crown" version. So the Tudor 7922 was the contemporary poor man's James Bond watch made by the same maker, Rolex. But good luck with vintage 7922's today, they are about as pricey as 6538's if not more so. Anyway, I think Tudor knocked it out of the park with this re-edition. If only rolex would come out with it's own homage to the "big crown". In the mean time, I'll enjoy the hell out of the 79220R.

http://tudorcollectorsite.blogspot.co.uk/p/submariner-model-7922.html


http://www.tudorwatch.com/en/heritage-black-bay/

Here are some of my bad photos:


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DG
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
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"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.

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  • StefanStefan VirginiaPosts: 568MI6 Agent
    Congrats Donald, beautiful watch, so many watches, so little time! That's great news about Tudor making a come back State side. I have been eyeing the heritage chrono for the longest time. What's the retail on the black bay if you do not mind me asking?
    " Not All Who Wander Are Lost "
  • Donald GrantDonald Grant U.S.A.Posts: 2,251Quartermasters
    edited August 2013
    Stefan wrote:
    Congrats Donald, beautiful watch, so many watches, so little time! That's great news about Tudor making a come back State side. I have been eyeing the heritage chrono for the longest time. What's the retail on the black bay if you do not mind me asking?

    Yeah those new chronographs are homages or re-editions of older models too. Been eying those as well. The Tudor Black Bay retails for $3,100.00 on leather strap with additional NATO style strap. On a bracelet it retails for $3,425.00 with additional NATO. Leather strap cost $180.00. I did not get a price for the separate bracelet. Like it better on the vintage style leather strap although I may buy the bracelet at a later date. Not cheap, but compare that to a Rolex Submariner and you'll see it's a great bargain with vintage style to boot. Try to get a discount, they are out there. I narrowed it down to two retailers and chose the best deal.

    Edit: BTW the crown on the 79220R is 8mm, same size as the vintage Rolex "big crown"!

    DG
    So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
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    "People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
  • UNCLE27UNCLE27 EnglandPosts: 1,144MI6 Agent
    Mmmmmm!!!
    That is nice!!! Congratulations. B-)
  • HoldenHolden UKPosts: 664MI6 Agent
    Very, very nice DG and I'm with you - the leather strap is the one to go for on this particular watch.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    congrats, old friend and I am amazed, that you've finally done it!!

    I am happy to see Tudor back with the heritage line and they have been the highlights for many Basel fair visitors in the last years. I do hope that this also reflects in their sales figures.

    So, how does the ETA movement "feel" in your watch.
    I am talking about the feeling when you are winding the watch. Is it more smooth like with the IWC Mark VXI watch or is it still very "grainy" like with an ordinary 2892 ETA?

    How does the rotor sound? Smooth or like a coffee grinder like the usual ETAs?

    Are you gonna replace the red bezel insert with a black one?

    Enjoy your watch and very well done {[] {[]
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • esseUKesseUK EnglandPosts: 53MI6 Agent
    Yes, very nice. -{
    "It's time to get out"
  • Donald GrantDonald Grant U.S.A.Posts: 2,251Quartermasters
    Bondtoys wrote:
    congrats, old friend and I am amazed, that you've finally done it!!

    I am happy to see Tudor back with the heritage line and they have been the highlights for many Basel fair visitors in the last years. I do hope that this also reflects in their sales figures.

    So, how does the ETA movement "feel" in your watch.
    I am talking about the feeling when you are winding the watch. Is it more smooth like with the IWC Mark VXI watch or is it still very "grainy" like with an ordinary 2892 ETA?

    How does the rotor sound? Smooth or like a coffee grinder like the usual ETAs?

    Are you gonna replace the red bezel insert with a black one?

    Enjoy your watch and very well done {[] {[]

    Thanks Markus. To tell you the truth I have not worn the 79220R much yet. I was notified last week that it was in and then went to my dealer on Saturday to look at the two variants (bracelet version & strap version) and get pricing. I spent Sunday trying to decide which version I wanted and Monday calling other dealers in my region. By Monday night I decided the dealer that notified me first had the best deal and called them back, but the 79220R's were out of stock. They had sold out that quick. Later Monday night the dealer said they had tracked one down and that I could have it by Tuesday. I picked up the 79220R on Tuesday.

    On Tuesday I put it on briefly to look at it and wind it and again yesterday for pictures. But it has been primarily in the box. Saturday it will debut on my wrist and I'll probably wear it the balance of the weekend. So I'll have more to tell. The movement is the 2824. It is one of the workhorses of Swiss watchmaking world and winding it felt smooth to me. As for replacing the red bezel insert, I don't think I will. I like it with the red. It's bold and I think Tudor is going to do very well with it's heritage line. I like the new chronographs and of course the titanium Pelagos.

    DG
    So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
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    "People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,321MI6 Agent
    Very cool! Love the crown!

    I did hear that Tudor were being made available in US a while back but didn't realise they now were!\

    Congrats!!!
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  • danjaq_0ffdanjaq_0ff The SwampsPosts: 7,283MI6 Agent
    very nice DG -{ any chance you could post pics of your other watches, I love watch porn :D
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    no, he likes porn! :D
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    edited August 2013
    Thanks DG for the reply.

    Looking forwards for your feedback on the movement. I have recently purchased the IWC Mark XVI and had massive concerns regarding the ETA base movement.

    But I must say, that IWC managed to modify to a degree that I could not notice that an ETA was inside without opening the case.
    Hope that it's the same with your Tudor.

    And these Tudor Chronos are gorgeous. Have you been thinking about getting this kind of strap?
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    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • danjaq_0ffdanjaq_0ff The SwampsPosts: 7,283MI6 Agent
    Bondtoys wrote:
    no, he likes porn! :D

    I like hamburger more :D
  • danjaq_0ffdanjaq_0ff The SwampsPosts: 7,283MI6 Agent
    Bondtoys wrote:
    Thanks DG for the reply.

    Looking forwards for your feedback on the movement. I have recently purchased the IWC Mark XVI and had massive concerns regarding the ETA base movement.

    But I must say, that IWC managed to modify to a degree that I could not notice that an ETA was inside without opening the case.
    Hope that it's the same with your Tudor.

    And these Tudor Chronos are gorgeous. Have you been thinking about getting this kind of strap?
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    I have been reading that the Daytona looks better on a woman's wrist :D :p
  • Donald GrantDonald Grant U.S.A.Posts: 2,251Quartermasters
    danjaq_0ff wrote:
    very nice DG -{ any chance you could post pics of your other watches, I love watch porn :D

    Well, as you can see my pictures are not the best. Part of it comes from using my iPad and iPod to take pictures. It is easier than using my camera which requires many more steps. I need some kind of macro lens for either device before I start posting pictures of all my other watches. However some of them are already on here in different threads.

    DG
    So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
    image_zps6a725e59.jpg
    "People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
  • Donald GrantDonald Grant U.S.A.Posts: 2,251Quartermasters
    Bondtoys wrote:
    Thanks DG for the reply.

    Looking forwards for your feedback on the movement. I have recently purchased the IWC Mark XVI and had massive concerns regarding the ETA base movement.

    But I must say, that IWC managed to modify to a degree that I could not notice that an ETA was inside without opening the case.
    Hope that it's the same with your Tudor.

    And these Tudor Chronos are gorgeous. Have you been thinking about getting this kind of strap?
    rpr_photo-2-13.jpg

    Bondtoys, for the short time I wore my 79220R, I did not hear the sound of the rotor. I'm pretty anal about my watches, and I'm sure I would have noticed. However, when I wear it this weekend, I'll listen carefully and let you know. As for the strap, yes I like that very much and have seen them available in a couple of places. The 79220R lends itself well to strap changes. I can very easily see it on a Bond strap too.

    DG
    So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
    image_zps6a725e59.jpg
    "People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
  • Donald GrantDonald Grant U.S.A.Posts: 2,251Quartermasters
    Well I wore the 79220R the balance of the weekend and I did not hear any rotor sounds during normal wear. I did hear it when I held it close to my ear and moved the watch, but that I count as normal. As for my impressions, it's a great watch. It's understated and elegant and the aged style leather strap with deployant buckle lends to the vintage look of the watch. Not only does it have the vintage thing down in spades, but I'm really digging on the reverse snob appeal of the Tudor. From what I understand, not a lot of vintage 7922's have survived due to the fact that they were actually worn as tool watches and were beat to hell. Various navies including the U.S. Navy used the 7922 and it's successors the 7924 and 7928. It's no wonder they are as rare as hens teeth. As for replacing the bezel insert on my 79220R with a black one, I have no plans to, but I'll bet some enterprising company will eventually make them, if they haven't already. Only problem with that is that it won't match the red ring on the crown tube. I'm sure there will be something to change that too. For me, the red 79220R is perfect just the way it is. But what else would Donald "Red" Grant say?

    DG
    So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
    image_zps6a725e59.jpg
    "People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    ...and just when I visited my watchmaker on Saturday - he has a Black Bay on the wrist!!!!

    This thing is beautiful in real life - DGs pics are an insult to the watch! :D
    Love the toned lume very much!!!

    Did not hear the rotor, the winding is smooth - Good job Tudor.

    Now should I get a Black Bay or a Pelagos?? ?:)
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Donald GrantDonald Grant U.S.A.Posts: 2,251Quartermasters
    Bondtoys wrote:
    ...and just when I visited my watchmaker on Saturday - he has a Black Bay on the wrist!!!!

    This thing is beautiful in real life - DGs pics are an insult to the watch! :D
    Love the toned lume very much!!!

    Did not hear the rotor, the winding is smooth - Good job Tudor.

    Now should I get a Black Bay or a Pelagos?? ?:)

    Yeah my pictures suck, that's why I included pictures from the Tudor website at the bottom. Glad you liked the Black Bay. It's a great piece. It's tough to choose between the Black Bay and the Pelagos. While the Black Bay looks to the past, the Pelagos is a thoroughly modern tool watch. The only thing about the Pelagos that harks back to the past are the snowflake hands. Either way you can't lose.

    DG
    So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
    image_zps6a725e59.jpg
    "People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    have been trying the Pelagos today and am amazed!!!!

    Incredible watch - the only thing that disturbs me is that it's a bit higher than a Sub.
    But before I'd go with a PO, I'd certainly go for the Pelagos!!!
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Donald GrantDonald Grant U.S.A.Posts: 2,251Quartermasters
    Bondtoys wrote:
    have been trying the Pelagos today and am amazed!!!!

    Incredible watch - the only thing that disturbs me is that it's a bit higher than a Sub.
    But before I'd go with a PO, I'd certainly go for the Pelagos!!!

    You mean the case of the Pelagos is thicker than the Sub? SubC perhaps?

    DG
    So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
    image_zps6a725e59.jpg
    "People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    Hello DG,

    in my opinion, the Pelagos sits higher on the wrist than both - the traditional Submariners and the Sub C.
    Probably the crystal and the case bottom have to be thicker because of the 500 meters wr rating.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • PeppermillPeppermill DelftPosts: 2,860MI6 Agent
    I was in Antwerp last Saturday and saw the watch up close. It looks really nice especially with the red bezel. However, why is this exactly a poor man’s Bond watch? It is still quite expensive if I’m not mistaking and because of the red bezel it doesn’t look much like Connery’s big crown Rolex. Still a great watch though.

    EDIT: sorry, should have read the original post again.
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  • Donald GrantDonald Grant U.S.A.Posts: 2,251Quartermasters
    Peppermill wrote:
    I was in Antwerp last Saturday and saw the watch up close. It looks really nice especially with the red bezel. However, why is this exactly a poor man’s Bond watch? It is still quite expensive if I’m not mistaking and because of the red bezel it doesn’t look much like Connery’s big crown Rolex. Still a great watch though.

    EDIT: sorry, should have read the original post again.

    I see the edit. However, just to make it more succinct. The original 7922 in "big crown" configuration shares the same case as the Rolex Submariner that Connery wore. It just had a different (less expensive) movement apart from Tudor dial markings. It was at the time Tudor's contemporary "poor man's James Bond watch".

    The 79220R (Black Bay) is the re-edition of the 7922 regardless of bezel insert color. In terms of price, it is not inexpensive. However if you compare it to a new Rolex Submariner, it is.

    DG
    So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
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    "People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
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