Omega seamaster as used iCasinoRoyale
Hart008
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Hey guys, trying to complete my collection on Watches...
Would anyone here in the forum want to sell their seamaster blue dial as used in Casino Royale?
Its the one with the red text below the omega words
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Would anyone here in the forum want to sell their seamaster blue dial as used in Casino Royale?
Its the one with the red text below the omega words
Cheerio
Yes i did ride the CAT
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Pick yourself up a Brosnan era SMP only difference is the red writing on the front and the chromed illum markers which you cannot see from a distance, but cost wise will save you about 1K :-) (.5k to 1k)
Or cost wise pick up a quartz version rather than Co Ax that will still cost you around 1K vs 1.5 - 2K
Cheers
Any chance you know where i can find a quartz version of the one im looking for?
Sorry only a Fan since the Daniel Craig Era
But have been watching Bond with Dad before that.... was funny how i was forced by him to watch Casino Royale, leaving the cinema i was hooked , and he was dissapointed haha
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Think I picked up my Casino Royale SA Seamaster Pro in minty condition for around £1100 a few years back and that is the Co-Axial model not the quartz, its really not a desirable watch anymore compared to the other Bond watches e.g. PO.
I presume that is because there are many many sold over they years and the market has been saturated with them (there has been little change since the Brosnan days hence many people who own the older one did not seem too bothered about the DC version)
The newer ceramic model seems to have been ignored by Omega since being dropped as the Bond watch, wouldnt suprise me if the sales for this watch are pretty low hence you could prob get good discounts on it from the right dealers.
I bought one of those e few months ago because I really liked the new look of this watch. It is really a nice and classy watch. Not as big as the PO. However, I would really like an old Brosnan model because of the iconic look of the wave dial. I found one (an automatic) at a jeweler in Amsterdam for € 1200,-. It was pretty banged up so I hope I might be able to get it for something like € 850,- if they haven't sold it in a few weeks. The only problem is convincing my girlfriend that I really need this watch
Would any of you guys in Europe mind looking if you by anychance drop by to see if the cheaper one is available (quartz)
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IMO, a quartz Seamaster shouldn't be priced any higher than around $450 USD or so.
For $189 USD:
http://wornandwound.com/2011/08/15/initial-impression-seiko-5-snzh53/
For around $550 USD:
http://www.steinhartwatches.de/en/OCEAN-two,532.html
Both automatic, accurate movements, etc, and gorgeous.
If you're dead set on wearing what James Bond wore, well, that's your prerogative, but the cynic in me must insist that all this Tom Ford and Omega and Sony and Smirnoff and Samsonite and Persol nonsense is product placement, pure and simple, and I hate seeing people fall for it. It honestly feels as though people judge products here based on whether James Bond approves of them, as if the preferences of a fictional character were some useful yardstick of quality.
James Bond likes Omegas and Astons (and sometimes BMW's) and Tom Ford and so on and so forth because those companies paid to get featured in the films. $3400 cufflinks? Are you effing kidding me? (no really - http://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/product/tom-ford-mother-pearl-cufflinks )
Sorry for the rant, but set me off was the idea of buying an Omega to dress like James Bond, but trying to save money by going with a quartz version. Now you're out $1300-1800, and you're still not wearing the same watch James Bond wore, so what was the point of that? Save your money, get a really NICE watch for a lot less, that has a lot more character and says more about YOU and not about who the marketers want you to be. B-)
As for the product placement in general, it actually turns me off of the character a bit. James Bond isn't a fantastically rich playboy with money to burn; he's a glorified assassin who indulges himself from time to time - usually as a work expense (meals and hotels and hired cars). I can only imagine what Fleming's Bond would have thought about the sort of person that would spend $3400 for a pair of cufflinks. Yeah, cufflinks: those things that hold your cuffs together. Remember that Fleming's Bond's Bentley, which he bought secondhand, had a black hexagonal bolt holding the hood shut instead of the Bentley hood ornament. Something tells me Bond is more of a 'buttons' guy, to be honest.
Final note: Even Daniel Craig couldn't make those Persols in Casino Royale and the Tom Ford glasses in Skyfall look good. A pair of classic Wayfarers would have suited him much better, IMO...
Some people on this forum are collecting for display and so only a SA prop will do, even if that is product placement. Others, I suspect most, want to emulate James Bond's style. There is absolutely no doubt that product placement plays a part in the films but they also employ designers and stylists to give each Bond a certain look and personally, I see no problem using these designers and stylists too - free of charge - for my own wardrobe.
The literary and film James Bond has always had expensive and particular tastes. Sea Island Cotton shirts, Saville Row tailored suits, cars, food and of course watches. Fleming gave him a Rolex (probably a Submariner, maybe an Explorer) and the film designers were spot on giving him a Submariner for those early films. A practical and stylish tool. Bond would approve of these qualities in his watch and the 6538 Submariner has rightly become a classic. Most dive watches since including the photo above and the Omega Seamasters and Planet Oceans and Steinharts are really homages to the Submariner.
The later film designers and stylists also got it right using the Omegas whether this is product placement or not. Another beautiful, practical and useful tool, suitable for any occasion. I've used an Omega Seamaster, on a NATO strap, in the deserts of Iraq, for diving and with a suit. It's a tough, well made and beautiful watch. I'd recommend them to anyone if the budget allowed.
If you were looking for a SA version, Bond wore a quartz version in Goldeneye although, personally I'd prefer the automatic.
For Bond style on a budget... I agree that the Steinhart is an excellent choice! I have 2 of these Rolex homages. They are well made, accurate, beautiful automatic watches and outstanding value for money!!
As for the cufflinks... No, I can't see me dropping that sort of money - ever!! :007)
1. product placement is not that bad!
Do we really want the producers to stay away from pp and cut the budget for 50%?
I for my part can live with the degree of PP in the recent DC movies though TWINE was a bit too much imo.
2. brand watches/clothing/cufflinks against lookalike
Not sure which party's motivation is more ....ahem.....
People who spend top $$ to enter into Bond's world of luxury items (and Fleming books where full of them - but he would never have chosen TF or LV products imo) and buy the exact same item like he wore in the movie - or people who buy generic items - just because they look like things that have been worn by Bond but are significantly cheaper than the original - no matter of the quality.
I can understand the lookalike concept when the real thing is not available anymore (such as the OHMSS smock or the Rolex 6538) but not when it comes to generic items just because the real quality item is too expensive.
And with a generic hexagonal bolt - it was still a genuine Bentley and not a kitcar with a plastic body that's held with the mentioned bolt
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
In what book was this mentioned because I can't recall reading this in any of the Fleming novels.
Of course your right, I simply meant to the average Bond fan or Seamaster owner they prob could care less about the movement thus unlikely to purchase the Co-Axial model if owner of the former model (of course some people do care about these things but I imagine most people purchase on looks first hence most people who want a Seamaster prob already had one and didnt care less about the upgrade:) )
I agree entirely. In fact, it's the opposite side of the PP case that annoys me more than PP itself; when you're watching a programme and they've stuck black tape over the manufacturer's tiny name/logo on an article of clothing, or blurred the name/logo on an obvious tin of Coke etc etc. That screams 'greed' to me way more than PP as it's "If you don't pay us, we don't show you" attitude.
And, as long as Bond uses decent watches and other items and it's subtle PP, I am more than happy. Now, if in the next film DC sports a SWATCH with Justin Bieber's face on the dial, I might change my tune.
http://www.monsterwatches.nl/index.php/seiko5categorie/seiko5fathoms/snzh53
It comes in various colours
any idea on a uk supplier please?
This refers to James Bond's last Bentley, "The Locomotive". It is found first in chapter 7 of Thunderball, "Fasten Your Lap Strap". Later it is mentioned in OHMSS. The hexagonal bolt topping the radiator is one of the ways you could could get the Bentley that Fleming erroneously refers to as the "Mark II Continental" but in reality is an R Type Continental with a special body by Mulliners. "The Locomotive" was informed by two cars. The first was his friend Ivar Bryce's R Type Continental that was referred to as having an "elephant's breath grey" color because of the flat grey paint. It becomes "battleship grey" in Thunderball. The second car that informed "The Locomotive" was a body design produced by Mulliners for an accident damaged R Type Continental that was ultimately built by Henri Chapron. Fleming wanted a Bentley with a "knife edged" boot, similar to his Ford Thunderbird, for Bond to use.
Bond's Locomotive:
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
It's not product placement itself that bugs me - it's that it's become so insanely out of touch that it's actually affecting my enjoyment of the character. I do like that the character of Bond likes to indulge himself in nice things from time to time, but the Fleming's character was a guy who treated gambling proceeds as 'found' money he could spend on selfish things for himself (like a new Bentley), or otherwise was wined-and-dined on the company dime during a mission. In other words, he was believable.
Let's take the price of a Rolex Submariner in 1957: $150 USD, according to this chart: http://minus4plus6.com/PriceEvolution.htm
According to this calculator (http://www.dollartimes.com/calculators/inflation.htm), that's about $1,247.83 in 2013 dollars.
Fleming wrote that Bond had an annual salary of £2,000 in 1955, which is about £40,000 in 2013, or about $62,500. For a single guy with no dependents and who lived a great deal of time 'on the job', all expenses paid, a $1200 watch is an easy purchase (not to mention that it's possible that it was company issue, anyway. Didn't Rolex used to supply military?)
Today, though, a modern Submariner's MSRP ranges from $7500-$8500. Without gambling proceeds to help him out, Bond would certainly think twice about spending more than ten percent of his annual salary on a wristwatch!
My point in all this is to suggest that we can't look at the luxury lifestyle of Fleming's Bond as a yardstick to justify the current character's lifestyle. Fleming's Bond had expensive tastes, but they weren't outrageous. In Skyfall, Bond wears three sets of cufflinks that total around $10,000 in price! (Hard to say exactly because one pair was made for the film and not for general sale, so I'm 'valuing' that pair as being in the same ballpark as the others). Ridiculous. I enjoy my Bond to be a little more believably down-to-Earth.
Edit to add: I will not claim to be completely immune, of course. It was through Craig's Bond that I discovered the Chukka boot - I now own 8-9 pairs of Chukka's in various colors and materials, from different brands...
I was under the impression they did not pay for their items to be in the film but were simply chosen due to Daniel Craig's insistence of having a TF wardrobe
The other thing to consider too is that the literary James Bond was not saving his money. He fully intended to die with 0 Pounds in the bank. It was due to the dangers of his profession. He believed that his profession would ultimately kill him, so what was the point of saving money?
From my perspective, I buy the things that are Bond related that interests me. The other things I don't. For example, I bought the Craig CR Omega Big Planet Ocean, while the rest of the Craig era Omegas I've skipped. To me the CR big P.O. Is the most iconic, while the rest I view as mere PP.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
@spectreblofeld is the bezel blue or black?
Im just a Bond fan since DC era so i do just like the stuff he wears, kind of gives you that extra little confidence hehe
In terms of If Bond would buy cuffs and what Ian Fleming would think , i would leave it to you Senior Fans
The stuff DC wears is incredibly pricey so i just try to get the budget side and look a like hehe
Cheers
Welshie,
I did not imply that TF was PP, my point was more that IF would have not agreed choosing TF for Bond for several reasons.
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Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
If you're asking about the Seiko - the one I posted is all in blue, both the bezel and the 'sunburst' face (which doesn't show easily in pics). If you're asking about the Steinhart, well, that's more complicated, they have different glowy colors, etc. Both beautiful timepieces, though.
i checked the website but they seem to have a blck bezel with black dial, or black bezel with blue dial, no blue bezel blue dial....hmmmm - ill just contact them seperately
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