'Solo' discussion with spoilers

Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
edited January 2015 in James Bond Literature
I finished reading Solo a few minutes ago and I thought I should go on the forum and debate it. Why hasn't this thread allready been made? I can't be the first to finish it, since I'm a slow reader.

Keep in mind that these are raw thoughts while the book is still fresh in my spacious head, and since no-one here has written much about the novel I don't don't know what I'm supposed to think about the book. :o
I think Solo is a good book, but not very good. I have read a couple of Boyd's novels before and feared he would take far too much time before starting the real plot and suspence. Thankfully he didn't. Perhaps the limitations or expectations of a Bond novel was actually a help to him? I wasn't worried that Boyd would write badly - he is a good writer who writes chararcters and discriptions well. I think the plot is good and he uses his knowlede of Africa to his advantage, introducing a new continent to Bond readers in an interesting and believable way. Is this by the way the first time a fictional country has appeared in a Bond novel? Another advantage of using Africa as a location are the names. There is a tradition there to name people discriptively in Africa. Names such as Blessing or Christmas seems perfectly natural and not just a Bondian cliche.
It was very obvious that Blessing's death in Africa wasn't what it seemed, but that comes with the territory. What I question more is when she shoots Bond. If she wanted to shoot him to save Bond from Kobus, she took a huge chance since the wound was potentially fatal and just pure luck saved Bond. I also question the early 'action' scenes. Until the one-man commando raid Bond only fights a drunk bully and a few robbers in Washington DC - hardly the stuff of a hardened 00-agent!

I like the characteristics of Kobus; missing cheekbone and a tendency to hang his vitims on hooks. Believable but scary. But I think Kobus should be fleshed out and given more 'screen time'. Perhaps 007 and Kobus should have had a brutal fight in the airport control tower, ending with Kobus winning? While Bond is on the floor, Blessing shoots him before Kobus has the time to hang Bond from the tower by a hook and killing him. Would this have been better?
While I don't think there should be hollowed out vulcanoes, I miss something more distinctive or very exotic in the novel. Still, my initial impression is a solid, but not very good novel. Bring on Tom Rob Smith or Phillipp Kerr!
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  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    24, do they have the clever expression "blessing in disguise" in Norway? ;)
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    If you're asking if we have common names that sound Bondian, there are a few.

    'Lie' is a common surname

    'Odd' is a common first name of men.

    'Gunn' is a common first name for women.


    There are men named 'Odd Lie' and women named 'Gunn Moan' walking around in Norway.

    We generally don't have names that people are aware of the meaning of, like they often do in Africa. the only I can think of right now is 'Liv' meaning 'life'.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    Speaking of names. Blessing's name is Ogilvy-Grant. Two actors who were possible James Bonds were Cary Grant and Ian Ogilvy. Bryce FitzJohn is the name of the other Bond girl. Ivar Bryce was a close friend of Ian Fleming. Bond used the alias FitzJohn in one of the Fleming books (was it TMWTGG?), something Boyd mentions. Are these nods to the fans or lazy writing? I can't decide.
  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    If you're asking if we have common names that sound Bondian, there are a few.

    'Lie' is a common surname

    'Odd' is a common first name of men.

    'Gunn' is a common first name for women.


    There are men named 'Odd Lie' and women named 'Gunn Moan' walking around in Norway.

    We generally don't have names that people are aware of the meaning of, like they often do in Africa. the only I can think of right now is 'Liv' meaning 'life'.

    Sorry, I meant the in-joke that Boyd is having at the readers expense.

    "Blessing in disguise" is an English expression meaning something that has happened, though it might seem bad at the time, might ultimately be for the good. Clearly, Blessing is not all she seems, and is clearly "in disguise" in her SIS station role (though to me she seems to have wandered straight in form a Gardner 1980s book).
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    edited January 2015
    Even if my head is large and I know what 'blessing in disguise' means, I didn't get that. Sorry :#

    I'm truly pussled that no-one else has posted something like a review yet. It's true I'm a slow reader. Perhaps it's because I pre-ordered 'Solo' on Kindle and got it on the morning of the 26th?
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    Note: I wrote 'large head', not 'smart head'. It's not the same. You have no idea how much trouble I went through to get a bicycle helmet that fitted my noggin...
  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Even if my head is large and I know what 'blessing in disguise' means, I didn't get that. Sorry :#

    I'm truly pussled that no-one else has posted something like a review yet. It's true I'm a slow reader. Perhaps it's becaise I pre-ordered 'Solo' on Kindle and got it on the morning of the 26th?

    To be honest, AJB isn't the greatest site for lit. Bond, and, after the recent history, I'd suggest that not too many lit Bond fans would rush out to read it.

    Me, I'm a mad-crazy lit.Bond fan and even though I think continuation Bonds are a waste of time, I knocked off SOLO in a couple of days - CARTE BLANCHE was a weeks worth of hard slog.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    To be honest, AJB isn't the greatest site for lit. Bond, and, after the recent history, I'd suggest that not too many lit Bond fans would rush out to read it.
    I think that's because of the set up- you have to COME to the lit section; other sites have new posts show up on the main screen no matter what section they're from.
    I had high hopes. but it seems from all the reviews I've read it's just another okay effort- nothing particularly good.
    So far, the best novel I've read recently is still Christopher Wood's TSWLM.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    So far, the best novel I've read recently is still Christopher Wood's TSWLM.

    Totally agree
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,535MI6 Agent
    I found it an OK read. Boyd certainly knows the character of James Bond, but the story was hardly exciting. I found the parts were Bond is at home or in London more enjoyable than the plot. There was no pay-off at the end. It all just slumped into a Poirot type discussion and didn't leave me feeling fulfilled.

    Bland.
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  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    Asp9mm wrote:
    I found it an OK read. Boyd certainly knows the character of James Bond, but the story was hardly exciting. I found the parts were Bond is at home or in London more enjoyable than the plot.

    Well, I certainly agree Boyd knew about HIS interpretation of the Bond character that he'd derived from his reading of Fleming (whether that's the interpretation we all took, or Fleming intended....)

    But the everydayness of the London scenes were, I totally agree, much more enjoyable - and Flemingian - than the rest of the story.
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,535MI6 Agent
    The thing is, you just can't write a James Bond novel using the exact same character Fleming wrote then. You would have to be a part of, and write it IN that period, not just set it there. That's impossible now, a literary Bond can never be the same as he was in that period if it is written in this day and age.

    Considering Boyd couldn't write Bond as Fleming was free to do with those fifties/sixties attitudes towards foreigners, women and other things considered acceptable back then. I think he did an admirable job with the character. Fleming's Bond died when Fleming died and times changed. What we have now is a watered down version of the character that has been changed to fit in with todays standards and views. We have to accept that, there's no going back.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Asp9mm wrote:
    Fleming's Bond died when Fleming died and times changed. What we have now is a watered down version of the character that has been changed to fit in with todays standards and views. We have to accept that, there's no going back.
    One might even say, Fleming's Bond died as soon as Connery was cast in the first film- Fleming went on to change Bond in ways he might not have had the movies not influenced him...
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,535MI6 Agent
    This is true. Although Bond's views and personality were mainly Fleming's. And he was always changing from book to book depending on mood. Bond of CR was different to Bond in Dr No.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Asp9mm wrote:
    Bond of CR was different to Bond in Dr No.
    Good point.
    And perhaps this is where it all started, the constant evolution of Bond...
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I'm tired of all this " Bond evolution ", lets have some
    balance and more talk about " The Intelligent design of
    Bond " :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    But if there really is a God, would he let Moonraker and DAD happen?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    But if there really is a God, would he let Moonraker and DAD happen?
    The Devil would.
    And if he exists, so does God.

    And anyway, I sense the good in those two movies... the conflict.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    There are too few theological descussions about Bond. Strange, since 007 was resurected in YOLT, CR and SF and cured a lesbian woman in GF :007)
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Some have healing hands, Bond has a healing .............. :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    Some have healing hands, Bond has a healing .............. :))

    Just as we were having such an elevated theological discussion ,,,, :#
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    If there's a tone I'll lower it. :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    There is no tone you can't lower, I'll give you that! :)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    If there's a tone I'll lower it. :D
    You dirty double-crossing limey fink! Those goddamn theological comments are phonies!
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    Good. Now we are back to a proper theological debate. Hopefully we'll start calling eachother heretics and issuing death threaths soon!
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,535MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Good. Now we are back to a proper theological debate. Hopefully we'll start calling eachother heretics and issuing death threaths soon!

    I'm pretty sure we were debating Solo, not Bond's religious views. Which would be pointless anyway as he disbelieved it all.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    I'm just typing nonsense until someone else writes about the novel
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    I'm gonna read a Gardner book.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    So far I'm not loving it, quite dull. IMHO after
    Fleming's novels the best has been Col Sun. :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    So far I'm not loving it, quite dull. IMHO after
    Fleming's novels the best has been Col Sun. :D
    That had the best story, but Wood's writing in his TSWLM was exquisite.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
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