Simon could hold a compitetion to find the next best hired killer to go
up against Bond.
" to kill has been a dream of mine all my life "
" this is my one chance to be the best, I'm on a journey " )
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Silhouette ManThe last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,845MI6 Agent
What if something more creative (than simply German Nazis) were considered like a neo-Fascist in Italy or one of the smaller European Countries? We have Golden Dawn in Greece for example. Or a neo-Stalinist in Russia for that matter. Or a neo-Arrow Cross Fascist in Hungary?
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
The far right are always great as villains, and as you say SM. They can be any nationality
Infact some of the extreme right wing republicans in America, actually scare me, I dread
to think what might happen if they got power.
I found it funny the other night watching "Our Man Flint" in which the head of the secret
service is constantly "Bugged" and kept under watch bt the president , as in only a few
years time Richard M Nixon would be in trouble for doing similar surveillance on people and
recording phone calls.
sometimes Art, imitates Life. )
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
I love the Nazi's as villains, one of my favourite episodes of
The New Avengers, was about a small group surviving on an
Island off Cornwall, keeping Hilter in a coma until he could be
revived.
Not to everyone's taste but great " shorthand " visually.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Yep ! That's what happenef. I habe thr New Avengers on dvd
I also liked the idea behind " The boys from Brazil "
A friend told me about that Hitler episode in a letter as a child but I don't think I've ever seen it sadly. I have seen The Boys From Brazil though - great stuff.
John Gardner returned to the neo-Nazis as villains in Icebreaker (1983) and SeaFire (1994) too. -{
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
Although I do agree SM, they can be given a twist
( if they weren't twisted enough )
They could have changed moved into business and begun to
control governments, pulling the strings in secret.
Or something they invented during the war is now needed by
every government ( usual maguffin) .
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Silhouette ManThe last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,845MI6 Agent
Although I do agree SM, they can be given a twist
( if they weren't twisted enough )
They could have changed moved into business and begun to
control governments, pulling the strings in secret.
Or something they invented during the war is now needed by
every government ( usual maguffin) .
Yes, I agree that there are ways around these things to deliver something fresh to the audience or the reader. Neo-Nazi villains are rather trite and have been done a good few times before (to the death).
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
Good for conspiracies though some long range plan set in motion in1945 and only
coming go a destructive finish in 2017 with long term "sleeper" agents etc.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Silhouette ManThe last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,845MI6 Agent
Good for conspiracies though some long range plan set in motion in1945 and only
coming go a destructive finish in 2017 with long term "sleeper" agents etc.
Sounds rather like John Gardner's The Dancing Dodo (1978).
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
Good for conspiracies though some long range plan set in motion in1945 and only
coming go a destructive finish in 2017 with long term "sleeper" agents etc.
Alas, that plot has already been done - Captain America: The Winter Soldier - and very good it was too
Of course Nazis are the ultimate real world villains, but I just can't think of a way to include them in a believable plot for a modern day James Bond movie. Neo or otherwise.
What I do like, however, is Bond's background from WW2 and how it is still very present in the earlier Fleming books. Moonraker's plot might seem ridiculous from today's perspective, but I think for the people who had lived through years of German air raids only to see their former ally the Soviet Union acquire the A-bomb soon after, the thought of a rocket attack on London was probably a genuine and comprehensible fear. (Just one example).
"I'm afraid I'm a complicated woman. "
"- That is something to be afraid of."
Many modern films still use them. The Hunger games for instance.
If some imagination and skill is used, they can still be a very effective
Group of villains.
Infact thinking about it most sci-fi movies all seem to be set in Nazi
Dystopian society's ?
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Nazis are nearly the ultimate villans (nazi zombies are even more perfect ), but using neo nazis as movie villans would have worked better in the 1970's.
Oh, I don't think anyone thinks they're anything but scum ( in reality)
Although for the next few years all thrillers will have variations on
Isis, as the villains.
Movies need shorthand, for an audience ( not all obviously ) but it
saves on loads of "plot" having to be explained.
Still as with everything in life it's all personal opinion, some like them
as villains, some don't.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Speaking of nazis, a 100 metres long nazi military train was just found in a burried tunnel in the southern Poland. The area is heavily boobytrapped, there can be gold inside, some old paintings or army prototypes. Quite a story!!
Speaking of nazis, a 100 metres long nazi military train was just found in a burried tunnel in the southern Poland. The area is heavily boobytrapped, there can be gold inside, some old paintings or army prototypes. Quite a story!!
I thought it's contents were clarified allready ?!
"You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
Speaking of nazis, a 100 metres long nazi military train was just found in a burried tunnel in the southern Poland. The area is heavily boobytrapped, there can be gold inside, some old paintings or army prototypes. Quite a story!!
I thought it's contents were clarified allready ?!
No, nobody has approached the train as for now. So it's contents are pure speculation but it's pretty thrilling
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Oh no!!!! The one foe even Bond can't defeat!
up against Bond.
" to kill has been a dream of mine all my life "
" this is my one chance to be the best, I'm on a journey "
Infact some of the extreme right wing republicans in America, actually scare me, I dread
to think what might happen if they got power.
I found it funny the other night watching "Our Man Flint" in which the head of the secret
service is constantly "Bugged" and kept under watch bt the president
years time Richard M Nixon would be in trouble for doing similar surveillance on people and
recording phone calls.
sometimes Art, imitates Life.
the way they handled it in AVTAK is just as far as they can go
I agree, so if you read my post above you will see that I offered a more creative approach...
The New Avengers, was about a small group surviving on an
Island off Cornwall, keeping Hilter in a coma until he could be
revived.
Not to everyone's taste but great " shorthand " visually.
I also liked the idea behind " The boys from Brazil "
A friend told me about that Hitler episode in a letter as a child but I don't think I've ever seen it sadly. I have seen The Boys From Brazil though - great stuff.
John Gardner returned to the neo-Nazis as villains in Icebreaker (1983) and SeaFire (1994) too. -{
( if they weren't twisted enough
They could have changed moved into business and begun to
control governments, pulling the strings in secret.
Or something they invented during the war is now needed by
every government ( usual maguffin) .
Yes, I agree that there are ways around these things to deliver something fresh to the audience or the reader. Neo-Nazi villains are rather trite and have been done a good few times before (to the death).
coming go a destructive finish in 2017
Sounds rather like John Gardner's The Dancing Dodo (1978).
Indeed.
Alas, that plot has already been done - Captain America: The Winter Soldier - and very good it was too
There might be someone earlier than that.
What I do like, however, is Bond's background from WW2 and how it is still very present in the earlier Fleming books. Moonraker's plot might seem ridiculous from today's perspective, but I think for the people who had lived through years of German air raids only to see their former ally the Soviet Union acquire the A-bomb soon after, the thought of a rocket attack on London was probably a genuine and comprehensible fear. (Just one example).
"- That is something to be afraid of."
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If some imagination and skill is used, they can still be a very effective
Group of villains.
Infact thinking about it most sci-fi movies all seem to be set in Nazi
Dystopian society's ?
Although for the next few years all thrillers will have variations on
Isis, as the villains.
Movies need shorthand, for an audience ( not all obviously ) but it
saves on loads of "plot" having to be explained.
Still as with everything in life it's all personal opinion, some like them
as villains, some don't.
I thought it's contents were clarified allready ?!
No, nobody has approached the train as for now. So it's contents are pure speculation but it's pretty thrilling