Bond Tuxedo
jwood
Posts: 17MI6 Agent
I am getting married and have been shopping for a tuxedo. I went to the Tom Ford store in Dallas to see about getting the Bond tuxedo from Skyfall. I tried on a midnight blue tuxedo they have but I noticed that all of the Tom Ford tuxedos have satin cuffs on the jacket sleeves, which is not what Daniel Craig worn in Skyfall. I inquired about made-to-measure but they told me that the only way to have the satin cuffs removed is buy a different model tuxedo (even wider lapels and fuller cut).
What is everyone's opinion on the satin cuffs? I am looking for a tux that is stylish yet classic so I can wear it for years. I am worried that the satin cuffs are too fashion forward and will look dated in a few years. Does anyone have a suggestion on what to do to get the Skyfall tuxedo, or where to get a similar midnight blue tuxedo? I am looking for a nice tuxedo, so while I do not want to spend $10,000+, I do not mind spending $5,000. Thanks.
What is everyone's opinion on the satin cuffs? I am looking for a tux that is stylish yet classic so I can wear it for years. I am worried that the satin cuffs are too fashion forward and will look dated in a few years. Does anyone have a suggestion on what to do to get the Skyfall tuxedo, or where to get a similar midnight blue tuxedo? I am looking for a nice tuxedo, so while I do not want to spend $10,000+, I do not mind spending $5,000. Thanks.
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JW, first off all its important that your suit is right for you. Very few of us look like Bond, and its important that you take this into account, esp for your big day!
The cuffs. Ian Fleming himself had such elements on his own suits. I myself thought it was a TF fashion affectation, but the truth is its a classic tailoring element. Rare by conventional standards, but its not out of place. Indeed removing them from a dress suit like a dinner jacket / tux would be more conspicious.
My advice for what it is worth is always the same. Find a good trustworthy tailor of reputarion to make the right outfit for you. For the cost of a TF, you could have several excellent tailored suits.
Hi
I'm in the same position and just wish I could go and pick up the skyfall version in store
I was told it was discontinued but could be made to order, unless anyone else can correct me
Ross
Excellent advice!
http://www.magnoliclothiers.com/skyfall-tuxedo-tuxedos-p-515.html
Still made-to-measure and a hell of a lot cheaper than Tom Ford. Also a decent replica of the one from the movie.
Ross
You can't really get a made to measure suit by post/internet. You have to go and get measured physically by the tailors. I've always found it funny that people think they can get tailored suits over the internet.
I'm aware of online limitations. My main point was that it's a direct replica of the one from the film. But apparently nothing less than the actual TF will do so I guess it doesn't matter.
But there's nothing so unique about the Skyfall dinner suit that no decent tailor can't do. It has all the classic details of a dinner suit, except the one in Skyfall has the inappropriate detail of a single vent, something you only see on Americans.
Indeed, you are correct, and I agree. But it's the OP who is determined to get the Skyfall suit, not me.
Personally I own a midnight blue, shawl-collar Tuxedo, but with no vent(s) as per the correct black tie regulations. I didn't get it because it shared the characteristics of the Skyfall one, but merely because I love shawl-collars.
We'll if anyone see's the correct one in either a eu40 or eu38 please let me know
Ross
What model tux did you choose and what else, if anything, were you able to customize on the tux? My issue is not so much the fabric, but the style of the tux. I may be wrong, but the lapels on the tux I tried on at TF appeared to be wider than what was worn in Skyfall (and I was told this was the slimmer of two models offered) and had rolled satin cuffs, which is what I am looking to avoid.
Additionally, most people have suggested having a tailor make the tux for me. I live in Texas but will be traveling to New York in a month. Does anyone have recommendations on a good tailor that might be able to create a similar tux for me?
This looks just like the one I tried on at TF. Am I wrong, or are the lapels wider than what he wears in the movie?
I suspect you are a little caught up on exact specifics. Get a suit that is right for you. I look more like David Suchet (Hercule Poirot) than any of the Bond actors. I have a great replica of the CR 06 dinner suit. It looks like something Bond would wear, butwas designed and made for me.
As noted at the start of the thread, you want something that is classic, will last and looks good for decades. Bond changes wardrobe with every film, and every tailor with each actor. - The real world does not wirk like that!
Thanks for the input. You are exactly right. I agree that I want something classic, which is why I am being so particular on the details of the collar and rolled cuffs. I love TF suits and tuxedos but I understand how trendy they are, as can be seen in the suits worn in Skyfall. I want a tux that is not going to look dated in a few years. I really want a midnight blue shaw collar tux. I would like it to be TF, because I think they look sharp and having the same or similar tux Bond wears is an added plus. I am also looking at this as a purchase that is going to last for years, so I want a well-made tux and I will happily spend a few thousand dollars for it.
Hey ASP, thinking you're becoming a bit 20th century .....
Havnt you heard of 3D printing?
You just send magnoli 3 pics, one from each angle, and hey presto, a perfectly MtM exact copy of the TF tux....
Why waste thousands of $'s on badly tailored "labels" when u can have the real deal for $ 125?
This is going to revolutionize manufacturing...
8-)
2. One could go the Magnoli route by having the best tailor in your hometown provide the requisite measurements (for a fee, but still you come out ahead vs. an off-the-rack Tom Ford that may need alterations, especially with respect to sleeve length, which would involve removing and resetting that gauntlet cuff).
3. If you go the Magnoli route, request a fabric swatch. The one they have on their website looks a lot more Chess King than Midnight Blue.
4. jwood you can't go wrong with either a shawl or peak lapel, ventless, slash/besom pocket, single-button midnight blue tuxedo, as far as obtaining an investment garment. Obviously the TF is a shawl, which is timeless and slightly more "rakish" than peak. My own is a midnight-blue Brioni with peak lapel - quite similar to the CR but with satin lapel rather than grosgrain, and with a more Italianate sleevehead than the roped one DC wears.
PS the funny thing about TF is that people are always remarking that it's a "super-slim" cut, yet when I've tried on TF jackets I look best in a 40 whereas in Isaia for example I take a 52 in Base S/Base G and 54 in Base V or Dustin. Still, you need a certain physique to pull off the TF look just right and if you've got it, more power to you!
They look slimmer to me. I think the SA dinner suit has wider lapels. Not as wide as the one from Quantum, but wider than what Daniel wears in that photo.
Ideally getting one tailor made would be the best option as good tailors make jackets that are designed to be altered numerous times so they continue to suit your body as you age. But as your from Texas I understand your problem. (I, also, am a resident of the state.)
To echo what some other people have said above, is the goal to get the exact same tuxedo that Bond wore or to get the one that looks best for your body type? Tom Ford and Brioni's tuxedos look different. Would one of them look better on you than the other? Probably. Would one look like it's the best one for you period? Possibly, but unlikely.
If you have the money to buy a Brioni or Tom Ford then you have the money to get a tailor to make one for you, and that will look far better on you than a Brioni or Tom Ford due to fit (and possibly style, which a good tailor could recreate anyway). Unless you're going to be flashing the label at everyone, which is not very gentlemanly, there isn't really much advantage to buying a Tom Ford or Brioni IMHO.
Both Brioni and Tom Ford sell top-quality clothes. They cater to the impatient rich. At their prices it's better to have a bespoke suit made, though for people who just want to wear something really nice or expensive and don't really care about the clothes as much—or aren't from England—they aren't going to bother with bespoke. There's nothing wrong with that. It's the people who buy junk like Prada who are wasting money.
Excellent points. If someone wants the Tom Ford look, there are few other choices than Tom Ford. Bespoke tailors make suits in their own style and would either not be able to copy Ford or not willing to. But for something like the Tom Ford look bespoke, there are the tailors who inspired Ford, like Joe Morgan or Edward Sexton, and they still operate. Though they won't make something like the Skyfall suits, nor would any other respectable tailor. For Brioni's look bespoke, there are bespoke Roman tailors who can do something similar. Those would all be money better spent than spending thousands on an off-the-peg suit.