JFK - 50 years on

Brosnan_fanBrosnan_fan Sydney, AustraliaPosts: 521MI6 Agent
So this Friday will be the 50th anniversary of the assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy. (Never should we forget.)

As someone who was not born when it happened, I would be much obliged if those here who are old enough to remember that time, would care to share their stories (How old you were, where you were and what you were doing, etc.). Most importantly, how much of an effect did it have on your life?

Many thanks if you share.
"Well, he certainly left with his tails between his legs."
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I was standing by the grassy knoll but I can't talk about it. :v
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    edited November 2013
    I think, that Sir Miles will tell you a bit more about it - he's been even around when JFK was born * :D

    * yes, he's really old 8-)
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,443Chief of Staff
    Bondtoys wrote:
    I think, that Sir Miles will tell you a bit more about it - he's been even around when JFK was born * :D

    * yes, he's really old 8-)

    I was holding the F15 assault rifle, riding in the car behind JFK when I accidentally shot him !
    YNWA 97
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    One of the odd facts about Kennedys death was CS Lewis died on the same day and hardly got a mention in the press.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • StrangewaysStrangeways London, UKPosts: 1,469MI6 Agent
    One of the odd facts about Kennedys death was CS Lewis died on the same day and hardly got a mention in the press.

    Rather like when Farah Fawcett died.
    She hardly got a mention...now should anyone like to tell us why?
  • Ens007Ens007 EnglandPosts: 863MI6 Agent
    The legend John Peel was a reporter at the arraignment of Lee Harvey Oswald.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    A certain other American singer died, the peter pan of pop. Which was Bad
    and now History but still a Thriller. ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,427MI6 Agent
    What touching reverence is shown on this thread.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • jorgem1jorgem1 Posts: 136MI6 Agent
    Where were you when JFK was assassinated?
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,427MI6 Agent
    Not born... not that that's any alibi I know.

    To say something useful, it screwed America. Not because things would have been great with JFK living. Many hated him at the time, as with Barack Obama, who in the last two weeks oddly (I must have missed the memo) is now exposed it seems as a lame duck with clay feet. Yet as he died, the US in some ways adopted a loser's mantra - if only. If only he had lived, it wouldn't have got into Vietnam to the same extent, wouldn't have been humiliated and so on. Rob Kennedy wouldn't have been killed, not maybe Chappaquiddick and all that stuff. It like the guy who looks back on his life and wonders, what if? What if my life had taken that other turn? How things would have been so much better. And that's a killer.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • Sir Hillary BraySir Hillary Bray College of ArmsPosts: 2,174MI6 Agent
    Not born... not that that's any alibi I know.

    To say something useful, it screwed America. Not because things would have been great with JFK living. Many hated him at the time, as with Barack Obama, who in the last two weeks oddly (I must have missed the memo) is now exposed it seems as a lame duck with clay feet. Yet as he died, the US in some ways adopted a loser's mantra - if only. If only he had lived, it wouldn't have got into Vietnam to the same extent, wouldn't have been humiliated and so on. Rob Kennedy wouldn't have been killed, not maybe Chappaquiddick and all that stuff. It like the guy who looks back on his life and wonders, what if? What if my life had taken that other turn? How things would have been so much better. And that's a killer.
    Nap, usually I love your rap, but that is such a pile of cr@p that I don't know where to start.
    "Rob Kennedy"?
    Hilly...you old devil!
  • always shakenalways shaken LondonPosts: 6,287MI6 Agent
    I was a little boy when JFK died I was about 6/7 I just remember the banner headlines on the Daily Mirror HES DEAD
    I like to think he was a great man (im sure some of you will disagree) was he the great hope for the world again I like to think so
    and I think we was robbed of a great man but we will never know, 2 coincedences for me 1 he was buried on my birthday and 2
    the funeral march music (peril on the sea ) is the song we sing at our freemasons lodge
    By the way, did I tell you, I was "Mad"?
  • Mr MartiniMr Martini That nice house in the sky.Posts: 2,703MI6 Agent
    I wasn't alive at the time of his assassination. Someone posted a photo to Facebook on Friday. I knew Kennedy was a Navy man, but never saw a picture of him in his Naval uniform. Until yesterday....

    563316-53eb65ea97fe4b089a08dc841347a947.jpg
    Some people would complain even if you hang them with a new rope
  • jorgem1jorgem1 Posts: 136MI6 Agent
    JFK was also a Bond fan and he said that From Russia with Love was one of his favorite books.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Once again this might be an urban myth, but I remember reading that both
    Kennedy and Oswald had copies of FRWL. Only The President had the hardback
    and Oswald the paperback. Although it was a very popular book so I'm sure many
    people had copies of it.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,427MI6 Agent
    Not born... not that that's any alibi I know.

    To say something useful, it screwed America. Not because things would have been great with JFK living. Many hated him at the time, as with Barack Obama, who in the last two weeks oddly (I must have missed the memo) is now exposed it seems as a lame duck with clay feet. Yet as he died, the US in some ways adopted a loser's mantra - if only. If only he had lived, it wouldn't have got into Vietnam to the same extent, wouldn't have been humiliated and so on. Rob Kennedy wouldn't have been killed, not maybe Chappaquiddick and all that stuff. It like the guy who looks back on his life and wonders, what if? What if my life had taken that other turn? How things would have been so much better. And that's a killer.
    Nap, usually I love your rap, but that is such a pile of cr@p that I don't know where to start.
    "Rob Kennedy"?

    Er, it would help if you started somewhere... I might discern the source of your objection.

    "Rob Kennedy" is Robert Kennedy, you know, younger brother of JFK, er got shot later in the decade...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy

    Or was "Rob" too informal for you?
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,901Chief of Staff
    Not that Sir Hillary needs me to speak for him, but Robert F. Kennedy was/is always known by his full name or "Bobby."
    Vox clamantis in deserto
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    Not born... not that that's any alibi I know.

    To say something useful, it screwed America. Not because things would have been great with JFK living. Many hated him at the time, as with Barack Obama, who in the last two weeks oddly (I must have missed the memo) is now exposed it seems as a lame duck with clay feet. Yet as he died, the US in some ways adopted a loser's mantra - if only. If only he had lived, it wouldn't have got into Vietnam to the same extent, wouldn't have been humiliated and so on. Rob Kennedy wouldn't have been killed, not maybe Chappaquiddick and all that stuff. It like the guy who looks back on his life and wonders, what if? What if my life had taken that other turn? How things would have been so much better. And that's a killer.
    Nap, usually I love your rap, but that is such a pile of cr@p that I don't know where to start.
    "Rob Kennedy"?

    Er, it would help if you started somewhere... I might discern the source of your objection.

    "Rob Kennedy" is Robert Kennedy, you know, younger brother of JFK, er got shot later in the decade...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy

    Or was "Rob" too informal for you?

    No need for Rudeness Sir
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,427MI6 Agent
    Hmm, not sure what's going on here. I post something quite sensible and relevant as opposed to jokes about ooh it was me on the grassy knoll, and someone pisses on my chips. Jeez, like abbreviating Robert Kennedy to Rob, oh I am sorry, that's so irreverent.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Perhaps my original post was a little Flippant on the subject, But like many flippant or absurd Jokes and comments it
    Hides a very deep respect.

    As a kid My parents had a few Heroes ( We even had pictures on the hall wall of them ) who they would tell us about
    to explain right and wrong etc and to hold up as examples of what you as a person should strive for.
    One was Martin Luther King, and the civil rights movement. I find it amazing that some stood against Civil rights for
    people. Then again Hate is very easy to sell to people, just blame one group for all the troubles of a country then sit
    back and watch it Burn.
    Ghandi, Showing how Non-Violent civil acts can bring down a governement or system, and lastly JFK .
    I too was born after his murder, but have had an interest in it for years. Some Conspiracies don't hold water and fall
    apart,But With the Kennedy Murder. I believe we'll never get the truth. Although I do believe there was more than one
    assassin, and it did deeply hurt America.
    Kennedy was pushing for equal rights and reducing America's footprint in Vietnam, It was through that terrible war
    that Drugs became so powerful all through the USA. It's also sad to think that today would've been the birthday of his
    son, John F. Kennedy Jr who died in a tragic plane crash
    Along with the killing of Bobby Kennedy, the 60s saw the killing of many Great and Peacful men.
    So maybe I was raised by a couple of Hippy types, but I think I'm the better for it. -{
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    Perhaps my original post was a little Flippant on the subject, But like many flippant or absurd Jokes and comments it
    Hides a very deep respect.

    As a kid My parents had a few Heroes ( We even had pictures on the hall wall of them ) who they would tell us about
    to explain right and wrong etc and to hold up as examples of what you as a person should strive for.
    One was Martin Luther King, and the civil rights movement. I find it amazing that some stood against Civil rights for
    people. Then again Hate is very easy to sell to people, just blame one group for all the troubles of a country then sit
    back and watch it Burn.
    Ghandi, Showing how Non-Violent civil acts can bring down a governement or system, and lastly JFK .
    I too was born after his murder, but have had an interest in it for years. Some Conspiracies don't hold water and fall
    apart,But With the Kennedy Murder. I believe we'll never get the truth. Although I do believe there was more than one
    assassin, and it did deeply hurt America.
    Kennedy was pushing for equal rights and reducing America's footprint in Vietnam, It was through that terrible war
    that Drugs became so powerful all through the USA. It's also sad to think that today would've been the birthday of his
    son, John F. Kennedy Jr who died in a tragic plane crash

    Along with the killing of Bobby Kennedy, the 60s saw the killing of many Great and Peacful men.
    So maybe I was raised by a couple of Hippy types, but I think I'm the better for it. -{

    Kennedy was killed by the Elite because he exposed there Plan.
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • Sir Hillary BraySir Hillary Bray College of ArmsPosts: 2,174MI6 Agent
    Hmm, not sure what's going on here. I post something quite sensible and relevant as opposed to jokes about ooh it was me on the grassy knoll, and someone pisses on my chips. Jeez, like abbreviating Robert Kennedy to Rob, oh I am sorry, that's so irreverent.
    You're right, Nap, the "Rob Kennedy" thing is a red herring.

    To the point of substance, I personally don't buy the "America became a no-confidence loser" thesis in your original post -- it came across to me like a forced attempt to draw macro-level conclusions where there are none to be drawn, and to wrap the whole JFK legacy into a neat and tidy package. In my view, that is revisionist history rife with what-ifs.

    To be sure, the President's assassination was horrific, tragic and completely wrong, whether it was the work of a lone nutjob or a conspiratorial cabal of some kind (and that's the thing -- no one ever describes who the conspirators actually are, other than "the elite" or "the entrenched interests" or "the mob"). But I do not buy the assumption that, in and of itself, JFK's death begat a radically different stance on Vietnam, assassinations of others (MLK or RFK), or the drug culture in America (now I am refuting TP more than you Nap). And Chappaquiddick -- are you serious? Ted Kennedy got drunk while womanizing and drove off a bridge because his brothers had been shot? Come on.

    I will grant you that this country has collectively wondered for years what would have happened had JFK remained alive. But I would argue that such reflection has been done with far less collective certainty as to what the answer was than your post would suggest. Most people interpret history through their own biases, and the range of biases here is far wider than simple mourning for what might have been. Put another way, we have moved on -- never forgetting who he was or how unfairly his life and legacy were cut short, but also recognizing that the lens needed to be pointed forward.
    Hilly...you old devil!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    No problem, Sir Hillary Bray, I like a bit of refuting. -{
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Sir Hillary BraySir Hillary Bray College of ArmsPosts: 2,174MI6 Agent
    No problem, Sir Hillary Bray, I like a bit of refuting. -{
    That's why I love it here, TP. We can disagree on matters of substance, but do so civilly...and then retreat into the utterly inane "James Bond Conversation". :))
    Hilly...you old devil!
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    If you look around Google, you can find the Image of Kennedy's Corpse with the Bullet wound. Pretty gruesome I must say.
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Agreed some of the stuff is ( only my opinion ) very bad taste. I can remember
    Having an argument with a bloke who had several videos of beheadings on his
    Phone and wanted to show me, he couldn't understand why I thought it was sick
    and refused to look at them.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,427MI6 Agent
    Hmm, not sure what's going on here. I post something quite sensible and relevant as opposed to jokes about ooh it was me on the grassy knoll, and someone pisses on my chips. Jeez, like abbreviating Robert Kennedy to Rob, oh I am sorry, that's so irreverent.
    You're right, Nap, the "Rob Kennedy" thing is a red herring.

    To the point of substance, I personally don't buy the "America became a no-confidence loser" thesis in your original post -- it came across to me like a forced attempt to draw macro-level conclusions where there are none to be drawn, and to wrap the whole JFK legacy into a neat and tidy package. In my view, that is revisionist history rife with what-ifs.

    To be sure, the President's assassination was horrific, tragic and completely wrong, whether it was the work of a lone nutjob or a conspiratorial cabal of some kind (and that's the thing -- no one ever describes who the conspirators actually are, other than "the elite" or "the entrenched interests" or "the mob"). But I do not buy the assumption that, in and of itself, JFK's death begat a radically different stance on Vietnam, assassinations of others (MLK or RFK), or the drug culture in America (now I am refuting TP more than you Nap). And Chappaquiddick -- are you serious? Ted Kennedy got drunk while womanizing and drove off a bridge because his brothers had been shot? Come on.

    I will grant you that this country has collectively wondered for years what would have happened had JFK remained alive. But I would argue that such reflection has been done with far less collective certainty as to what the answer was than your post would suggest. Most people interpret history through their own biases, and the range of biases here is far wider than simple mourning for what might have been. Put another way, we have moved on -- never forgetting who he was or how unfairly his life and legacy were cut short, but also recognizing that the lens needed to be pointed forward.

    Well, it's fairly well established that if anything, Kennedy's death helped put his legal intentions in motion, as the more skilled negotiator LBJ used his muscle to pass Civil Rights legislation. In that sense, there are parallels with Obama who is not known for making nice with his Republican opponents (but fortunately has lived so we can see that, not implying it would be better if he'd taken a bullet and got someone else to put his legislation thru).

    But as you have implied, I am talking about history as it is perceived. Yes, Kennedy might have got the US as embroiled in Vietnam as any other President, assuming he would have been reelected. But as fate intervened, many Americans feel that they could never know for sure. It's a bit like comparing the tragedy of Lennon's death at 40 to how it would have been in 1965. The actual death, well, tragic but does not really affect music's trajectory, his impact has been made. But in 1965? Different altogether.

    So some Americans will feel that fate dealt them a curveball they've been trying to recover from ever since, that things just went bad and downhill for them and the Kennedy clan. It's the perception I am alluding to as much as what actually occurred. It's what sets the tone for the film JFK, and also the brilliant credits of Watchman; the idea that since that bullet the US has entered a parallel universe not of its own making.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • Sir Hillary BraySir Hillary Bray College of ArmsPosts: 2,174MI6 Agent
    So some Americans will feel that fate dealt them a curveball they've been trying to recover from ever since, that things just went bad and downhill for them and the Kennedy clan. It's the perception I am alluding to as much as what actually occurred. It's what sets the tone for the film JFK, and also the brilliant credits of Watchman; the idea that since that bullet the US has entered a parallel universe not of its own making.
    Interesting idea, but not one I subscribe to, nor (I believe) one as widely held as you may think. The film JFK is the work of a polemicist, not a representation of collective US national consciousness.

    But enough from me -- I have said my piece and I think I understand where you're coming from, even if I disagree. As you know, we also disagree on how good OHMSS is. Other than that, we're usually simpatico. -{
    Hilly...you old devil!
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,427MI6 Agent
    Well alright, though I thought a hefty percentage of Americans take it that there was a conspiracy involving the assassination, I think that may have declined by now out of a lack of interest among the young or because further studies of the sound footage of the shots suggest that there was enough time for Oswald to reload in that short space of time.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    There was a documentary on channel 5 , showing how he could have been shot
    By accident by one of the secret service men in the following car. Explaining the
    Difference in the caliber of the bullets etc.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
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