Looking for some advice on machining/drilling for a prop...

Hi all

I'm hoping that one of AJB's fantastic prop and model makers might be able to help me with a couple of questions about machining/drilling.

I've always wanted an U.N.C.L.E. Special - a Walther P38 with a a shortened barrel and a 'birdcage' flash Arrestor attached to it. Maruzen made a soft air version a few years back but I didn't find out until I was too late.

Recently however I bought a (very reasonable) soft air P38 made of Zinc Alloy. I'd like to shorten the barrel and attach a birdcage Arrestor sold on eBay. I messagedvthe very helpful seller at Hollywood prop who gave me some instructions, that I need to have the barrel machined with a 40 tap thread. This is how they modify real P38s.

So to come to my questions, Can Zinc Alloy be machined? If so where could I get it done reasonably in the uk (I'm in Essex) ? And is a '40 tap thread' a size a uk machinist would recognise?

Thanks in advance for any info!
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  • danjaq_0ffdanjaq_0ff The SwampsPosts: 7,283MI6 Agent
    Im not one of the prop makers, but FE GG is made out of the same sort of thing and they managed to machine it.

    I would say they the american tap sizes are imperial and the UK metric -{
  • don pdon p Posts: 607MI6 Agent
    put it in a vice, and tap it your self slowly using a lubricant.
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  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
    edited February 2014
    don p wrote:
    put it in a vice, and tap it your self slowly using a lubricant.

    Sadly I'm the least technical person on the planet and my idea of "put it in a vice, and tap it yourself slowly using a lubricant" means holding it very firmly and tapping it with a pencil while necking a can of lager. :))

    Seriously I don't have a vice or any of the proper tools and would be too worried of making a c0ck-up of the job. :# but thank you for replying all the same -{
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  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
    danjaq_0ff wrote:
    Im not one of the prop makers, but FE GG is made out of the same sort of thing and they managed to machine it.

    I would say they the american tap sizes are imperial and the UK metric -{

    Thank you - that gives me some confidence so I will try and locate a trade machinist locally. -{
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  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    Oh blimey, tapping for the novice? Scary stuff.

    Ok, so it's not as hair raising as some might think but like any job, you do need the right tools and if you've not done anything like it before it's always handy to have someone show you how.

    Zinc alloy (that's that zamack crap ain't it) can be notoriously soft and therefore problematic to machine.

    Some might assume a softer alloy would he easier to machine, but the softness can actuall cause issues as the metal tends to tear instead of cutting sharply. A good example would be cz121 brass as opposed the cz108 grade. Copper is also a bitch to machine, I've never had great experiences with it.

    Anyways, grades of metal aside, the job of threading a barrel isn't too tricky, but you need a well setup lathe to do it to ensure the thread is cut concentric to the bore, otherwise ya silencer or flash hider will be all wonky, and in extreme cases this could cause the bullet to contact the inside of the silencer. Cripes.

    Put simply the bore needs to be prepared so it's the correct size, then the tap is used to cut the thread into the metal.

    When cutting any thread using taps and dies is recommend taking your time, use so lubricant like cheapo engine oil or 3-in-1, and it's generally a third of a rotation in at a time, making sure to screw back each time to remove the swarf produced. Also on deep threads I tend to do to a depth of about 5-10mm at a time, removing the tap completely from the hole to clear it of swarf, and the hole to before restarting the process.

    As for a '40 tap' I dunno what that is. 40 tpi (teeth per inch) perhaps, but what diameter? And what type of thread? UNC, BSW? Sounds like the advisors are trying to be helpful but not giving you the full details for some reason.

    Hope this helps charmed, and I hope it helps others who are thinking of tapping their holes too :o
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  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
    Hi MG,

    Thank you for your excellent and informative post - that's very helpful. {[]
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