Bond Film continuity

Unknown007Unknown007 Posts: 201MI6 Agent
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Now I've seen the Casino Royale Storyline carried on to Quantum of Solace but one small question on a related subject is having watched Diamonds Are Forever on ITV yesterday I got to thinking the beginning is the continuing story of OHMSS with Bond looking for Blofeld.

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I do think it was to show Bond getting his revenge on Blofeld, ( as quickly as possible ) then moving on.
    But some have pointed out that, if you think of OHMSS as a " stand alone " movie. Then the start of DAF
    still works as it's Bond getting revenge over the death of Aki ( YOLT ) :D .
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    The Continuity of the Films is rather scattered about, making it confusing at times.
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :)) agreed, I don't think Continuity was high on their list when they started the films.
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    It's a bit like the Simpsons in that Regard. The Programs being going since 1989 and the Characters never Age, never change and so forth.
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Then again thinking about it the Books were not big on it either. :))
    One example, Mary Goodnight has dark hair in OHMSS but has
    become a Blonde by TMWTGG. ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    Then again thinking about it the Books were not big on it either. :))
    One example, Mary Goodnight has dark hair in OHMSS but has
    become a Blonde by TMWTGG. ;)

    Hair Dye ;)
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    No, I think the collar and cuffs match. :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,868Chief of Staff
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    No, I think the collar and cuffs match. :))

    :)) And a few other minor discontinuities in the books are to be found as well- exactly what colour is the light outside M's office? How old is Bond? What's Honeychile's surname?
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    " Stop putting holes in the plot " :)) believed it or not, this is my most used catch phrase
    when watching any film with my wife. :D I'd say like the films even Fleming didn't know
    how successful the novels would be, so didn't expect to have to change when Bond was born
    etc. :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,868Chief of Staff
    Absolutely- just like Conan Doyle with Sherlock Holmes. Doesn't spoil the fun!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I remember in an interview the writer Ian Rankin saying he has a " super fan " of his books ( inspector Rebus )
    Who keeps him straight on facts and dates etc, as he can't keep track of what he'd written in the early novels.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    There is reasonable continuity between the Connery and Moore films, with the earliest ones trying to tie things together in some way (Eunice Gayson, From Russia with Love and Goldfinger referencing Dr. No, On Her Majesty's Secret Service and the Bond office sequence, etc.). Since Connery and Moore are about the same age, it was easier to reconcile that they were the same character in the same universe. The biggest problem, for me, is accepting so many different actors playing the same roles -- Bond, Boothroyd, Blofed, Leiter.


    When Dalton came around, he was obviously much younger, and though there was a reference to his Bond being married "a long time ago," it felt like a different person to me. It was then easier to reconcile Dalton with Brosnan, since they were about the same age and are similar physically. There are personal habits that change -- Connery likes cigarettes while Moore prefers cigars while Dalton is back to cigarettes, and so forth, but people's habits do change over their lives, too.

    The approach with Craig of starting over makes more sense to me, though I might have preferred that rather than significantly change Bond that they simply start the series over.
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    I'm talking about the Novels here, but I like to refer to the first Five Books as the 'SMERSH Trilogy' They all follow Bond taking down SMERSH Agents (Well apart from DAF which has got nothing to do with SMERSH) The Events of the first four Books are talked about in FRWL and Novels 1 - 5 feel like a 'Trilogy' that is nicely wrapped up at the End of FRWL. DN to FYEO forms the second Trilogy and follows Bonds continuing Career with the Secret Service and includes another SMERSH Agent (Goldfinger) coming back for one last Pop at Bond. TB to YOLT is normally referred to as the 'Blofeld Trilogy' and the last two Books (TMWTGG and OATLD) form the final 'Farewell Trilogy'.
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • AirJordanFan93AirJordanFan93 Posts: 92MI6 Agent
    AlphaOmegaSin wrote:
    It's a bit like the Simpsons in that Regard. The Programs being going since 1989 and the Characters never Age, never change and so forth.
    The Simpsons has tried to retcon that in recent years though. In 2007 they did an episode that had Marge and Homer in College during the early 90s effectively killing the original timeline of them being in High School during the 70s. I guess its not that big of a deal because its an animated show and all but they tried.
  • PeppermillPeppermill DelftPosts: 2,860MI6 Agent
    AlphaOmegaSin wrote:
    I'm talking about the Novels here, but I like to refer to the first Five Books as the 'SMERSH Trilogy' They all follow Bond taking down SMERSH Agents (Well apart from DAF which has got nothing to do with SMERSH) The Events of the first four Books are talked about in FRWL and Novels 1 - 5 feel like a 'Trilogy' that is nicely wrapped up at the End of FRWL. DN to FYEO forms the second Trilogy and follows Bonds continuing Career with the Secret Service and includes another SMERSH Agent (Goldfinger) coming back for one last Pop at Bond. TB to YOLT is normally referred to as the 'Blofeld Trilogy' and the last two Books (TMWTGG and OATLD) form the final 'Farewell Trilogy'.

    I think this is a very good way to categorize the novels because Bond changes quite a bit from the first novels as the years move on. However, I wouldn't use the term trilogy to define 5 books :))
    1. Ohmss 2. Frwl 3. Op 4. Tswlm 5. Tld 6. Ge 7. Yolt 8. Lald 9. Cr 10. Ltk 11. Dn 12. Gf 13. Qos 14. Mr 15. Tmwtgg 16. Fyeo 17. Twine 18. Sf 19. Tb 20 Tnd 21. Spectre 22 Daf 23. Avtak 24. Dad
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    AlphaOmegaSin wrote:
    The Continuity of the Films is rather scattered about, making it confusing at times.

    That's putting it mildly! :))
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    The biggest problem, for me, is accepting so many different actors playing the same roles -- Bond, Boothroyd, Blofed, Leiter.

    Blofeld and Leiter suffered the worst from different actors. Not sure why you would have an issue with Q.
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • AirJordanFan93AirJordanFan93 Posts: 92MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:
    Gassy Man wrote:
    The biggest problem, for me, is accepting so many different actors playing the same roles -- Bond, Boothroyd, Blofed, Leiter.

    Blofeld and Leiter suffered the worst from different actors. Not sure why you would have an issue with Q.
    Leiter for sure suffered with the different amount of actors they had play him. Jack Lord was great and its a shame he never came back for any other of the Connery films the only other ones I like are Hedison and Wright. The rest of the Leiters are that great at all.
  • CmdrAtticusCmdrAtticus United StatesPosts: 1,102MI6 Agent
    AirJordanFan93 wrote:
    Firemass wrote:
    Gassy Man wrote:
    The biggest problem, for me, is accepting so many different actors playing the same roles -- Bond, Boothroyd, Blofed, Leiter.

    Blofeld and Leiter suffered the worst from different actors. Not sure why you would have an issue with Q.
    Leiter for sure suffered with the different amount of actors they had play him. Jack Lord was great and its a shame he never came back for any other of the Connery films the only other ones I like are Hedison and Wright. The rest of the Leiters are that great at all.

    Strange enough, Fleming described Leiter as looking like a very young Sinatra. I just happened to catch Ocean's 11 on Turner Classics, and started to focus on one of the lesser known actors in the cast. His name was Clem Harvey and he played the character Louis Jackson. Leiter was supposed to be a blond haired Texan, and I thought this actor would have been closer to Fleming's idea than any of the other actors that have played him in the Bond series.

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  • Sir Hillary BraySir Hillary Bray College of ArmsPosts: 2,174MI6 Agent
    CmdrAtticus wrote:
    Strange enough, Fleming described Leiter as looking like a very young Sinatra. I just happened to catch Ocean's 11 on Turner Classics, and started to focus on one of the lesser known actors in the cast. His name was Clem Harvey and he played the character Louis Jackson. Leiter was supposed to be a blond haired Texan, and I thought this actor would have been closer to Fleming's idea than any of the other actors that have played him in the Bond series.

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    Interesting. Physically, the best one in a Bond film was Rik Van Nutter in TB. But he was so wooden as an actor, and the character so badly written in that film, that his lankiness and blond hair didn't matter.
    Hilly...you old devil!
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