Goldfinger, Better suited to Moore?

MustonMuston Huncote, Leicestershire Posts: 228MI6 Agent
in The James Bond Films
While watching Goldfinger (the most over-rated Bond film in my opinion) it occurred to me that the way Bond acts in this one was much better suited to Moore's style than that of Connery. His over-****-sure nature, the fact that Bond does very little yet still gets an invitation to the White House, and an overall flamboyant, almost campy style makes Connery look a tad uncomfortable at times.
"Thank you very much. I was just out walking my RAT and seem to have lost my way... "

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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    I agree with you in some Parts. The Scene where Bond seduces Pussy is better suited to Moore in my Opinion.
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I can think of one AJBer who will not agree with you. :)) Guy Hamilton was known for
    enjoying comedy so injected more Into GF than the previous films. The violence of the earlier
    T Young films was also.toned down, and of course the gadgets began to make bigger in roads
    As GF became the blueprint for future films, each becoming bigger ( maybe not better ). Roger
    Moore has a talent for light comedy so was perfect for the direction the Movies took aftet DAF
    Although I' can't imagine anyone but Connery doing GF. :))
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,868Chief of Staff
    ...And at the time it was made, nor could anyone else!
    Connery in fact had some complaints about the script (he met with Broccoli and Maibaum 3 Feb 64, one month before filming was to start) and some of his ideas were used while others weren't.
  • MustonMuston Huncote, Leicestershire Posts: 228MI6 Agent
    Terence Young was in my view the best Bond director (with Peter Hunt and Martin Campbell close second). I admit to disliking Guy Hamilton's direction and he comes second only to Lewis Gilbert and Lee Tamahori in my all time worst directors.
    "Thank you very much. I was just out walking my RAT and seem to have lost my way... "
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,241MI6 Agent
    Blackleiter definitely won't agree with this lol
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    Jarvio wrote:
    Blackleiter definitely won't agree with this lol

    My thoughts exactly. :))
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    Jarvio wrote:
    Blackleiter definitely won't agree with this lol

    BondToys might :))
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    Muston wrote:
    Terence Young was in my view the best Bond director

    I wonder if he is bummed that, of the first four films, the only one he didn't direct is considered the best.
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • Golrush007Golrush007 South AfricaPosts: 3,421Quartermasters
    I think Connery is great in Goldfinger, Moore would also have done well in the film.

    I don't think Guy Hamilton is a bad director. He made two films that I really like (GF and LALD) and two that I don't care for so much (TMWTGG and DAF) but all of them are entertaining films. He also made a number of non-Bond films that I enjoy such as The Colditz Story, Funeral in Berlin and Battle of Britain. And even Force 10 From Navarone is a guilty pleasure of mine.
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    No, it wouldn't have worked unless Moore tried to butch it up.

    The reason why Goldfinger works as a lighter fantasy is precisely because the events and other characters are played against Connery's masculine and menacing presence. Adding Moore to the mix would have pushed the whole thing too far in the other direction, so that it, indeed, became campy instead of witty, as it is in its present form. That's why Connery comes across as funny but not at the expense of character.

    Guy Hamilton's direction in Goldfinger is as good as anyone's in the series, but he's still operating at that point under the conventions of the 50s and 60s. He frames his actors well and keeps the visual style lush and the pacing brisk without giving in to the frenetic, one-second shots that stand in for such things today. He has an excellent sense of geography, and Goldfinger is one of the more beautiful Bond movies to look at.

    By the 70s, Hamilton would give in to the minimalist style that seems more "realistic" to some audiences but just looks mostly boring and listless to others (like me) -- overuse of close ups, less things going on in the frame, less color-saturated cinematography, etc. I find Live and Let Die and The Man with the Golden Gun visually uninteresting for precisely these reasons.

    Terrance Young is a fine director in terms of the Bond films, but his visual style is different. In Goldfinger, Hamilton takes a lot of style inspiration from other director's of the period -- he probably comes closest to Blake Edwards (who would also lose his touch by the 70s), though he seems to steal some things from Alfred Hitchcock's color films. Young often seems more like a poor man's David Lean or maybe takes some cues from J. Lee Thompson in The Guns of Navarone.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia, PAPosts: 754MI6 Agent
    There are elements of camp that Connery pulls off well, others that he doesn't. When Connery is in the holding cell and just smiles at the guard and slips out of sight, it doesn't really work for me. These are spots much better suited for Moore.

    Overall though, Goldfinger is able to keep a semi-serious tone that is common through the middle Connery films. It isn't until DAF, where Connery really seems out of place.
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    How dare you! I'm outta here and I shall never return to this blasphemous forum ever again!!! Okay, not really, but I was pretty floored by the notion that Roger Moore could be seen as potentially better than Connery in ANY Bond film, but especially Goldfinger. Fortunately our friend Gassy brought a much needed voice of reason to the discussion and I was able to calm myself! :)) But please, no more bizarre notions such as this. It's too much for this old man's blood pressure! :))
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    We all saw that coming :))
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    WOW, BL nearly did a Thunderpissy :)) ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Mr MalloryMr Mallory North by northwestPosts: 632MI6 Agent
    Connery and now Craig. -{ . Best of the bunch.
    What makes you think this is my first time?
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    MooseWithFleas wrote:
    There are elements of camp that Connery pulls off well, others that he doesn't. When Connery is in the holding cell and just smiles at the guard and slips out of sight, it doesn't really work for me. These are spots much better suited for Moore.

    Overall though, Goldfinger is able to keep a semi-serious tone that is common through the middle Connery films. It isn't until DAF, where Connery really seems out of place.
    I'm not sure how the smiling in the jail cell is campy, if that's what you're suggesting. If any elements in the film might be interpreted as campy, they would be things like the bird on the head or the tux under the wetsuit, but both seem more intended to set the film up from the start as witty fantasy than camp.
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    Blackleiter wrote:
    How dare you! I'm outta here and I shall never return to this blasphemous forum ever again!!! Okay, not really, but I was pretty floored by the notion that Roger Moore could be seen as potentially better than Connery in ANY Bond film, but especially Goldfinger. Fortunately our friend Gassy brought a much needed voice of reason to the discussion and I was able to calm myself! :)) But please, no more bizarre notions such as this. It's too much for this old man's blood pressure! :))
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  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    Blackleiter wrote:
    Fortunately our friend Gassy brought a much needed voice of reason.

    Did he? Sounds like he was okay with it, as long as Roger "tried to butch it up" and the rest of his post was fairly unrelated to the topic question.

    Gassy Man, you would make a smooth politician. You're obviously very intelligent and can talk in circles without ever getting to the point. (The overuse of closeups in TMWTGG is relevant how???)
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    Blackleiter wrote:
    How dare you! I'm outta here and I shall never return to this blasphemous forum ever again!!!

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    Blackleiter wrote:
    , not really,

    :# :# :# :#




    * just kidding, old pal.
    You are my favourite Timboy :D
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:
    Blackleiter wrote:
    Fortunately our friend Gassy brought a much needed voice of reason.

    Did he? Sounds like he was okay with it, as long as Roger "tried to butch it up" and the rest of his post was fairly unrelated to the topic question.

    Gassy Man, you would make a smooth politician. You're obviously very intelligent and can talk in circles without ever getting to the point. (The overuse of closeups in TMWTGG is relevant how???)
    Thanks. You'd make a good student, as I made the point that I wanted to, as well as addressed some of the points made by posters prior to mine. If I talk in circles, you read in them.
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Bondtoys wrote:
    Blackleiter wrote:
    How dare you! I'm outta here and I shall never return to this blasphemous forum ever again!!!

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    Blackleiter wrote:
    , not really,

    :# :# :# :#




    * just kidding, old pal.
    You are my favourite Timboy :D

    Your "favorite Timboy"? Such a special tribute has me all "misty-eyed"! (Although I actually consider myself to be more of a "Seanboy"). :))
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
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