A question to those AVTAK haters

Jarvio · March 2014

Where would the film rank for you if Dalton had played bond in it?

Higgins · March 2014

Much lower

Jarvio · March 2014

Bondtoys wrote:

Much lower

Oh I know what YOU'D think

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Mr Mallory · March 2014

Dalton would have been fantastic. The scene at the races with M, Tibbet,Q and Bond
They all look to be in their 60s.

Thunderpussy · March 2014

I quite like AVTAK, but Yes Roger was far too old, so YES.
Dalton would put it higher up my list of Bonds. -{

BIG TAM · March 2014

I believe it'd be a better picture with Dalton. His more serious take on the role would've caused the film-makers to take greater care. I doubt we'd have seen Tim snowboarding to 'California Girls', for instance. John Glen doesn't know what type of film he wants to make - serious spy or jokey fantasy. So he decides to fuse the two. I don't think this works. Dalton & Walken would have fizzed together & there'd be a greater sense of danger. As it is, Walken comes across as a cackling pantomime villain. It's not without its merits, but so much of it feels a squandered opportunity. I'm sorry to say as it stands it's definitely the Bond I derive least pleasure from.

hehadlotsofguts · March 2014

Would Dalton's serious Bond be right for Walken's Panto villain?

Thunderpussy · March 2014

Oh, Yes He Would !

AlphaOmegaSin · March 2014

Bondtoys wrote:

Much lower

No Surprises there 8-)

hehadlotsofguts · March 2014

I like Moore in this. He seemed sarcastic, which is a change from his usual camp

MooseWithFleas · March 2014

It would have certainly been different. Better in certain regards but worse in others. The Tibbet-Bond scenes wouldnt have been as good.

Dexter Smythe · March 2014

AVTAK is good.It just suffers from comparison to the two movies that preceded it.Walken's villain is great.Tanya Roberts is silly but when a girl looks that hot who cares? :x :x :x

PPK 7.65mm · March 2014

If Dalton had played in the film, I am sure that not only would get a better story but also we might likely get different actors in the various roles. I could see the part of Tibbet going to some one like Michael Prayed from the television series Robin of Sherwood for example, and Zorin could been played by Joss Ackland (Bad guy from Lethal Weapon II) or Alan Rickman for example.

Blackleiter · March 2014

BIG TAM wrote:

I believe it'd be a better picture with Dalton. His more serious take on the role would've caused the film-makers to take greater care. I doubt we'd have seen Tim snowboarding to 'California Girls', for instance. John Glen doesn't know what type of film he wants to make - serious spy or jokey fantasy. So he decides to fuse the two. I don't think this works. Dalton & Walken would have fizzed together & there'd be a greater sense of danger. As it is, Walken comes across as a cackling pantomime villain. It's not without its merits, but so much of it feels a squandered opportunity. I'm sorry to say as it stands it's definitely the Bond I derive least pleasure from.

I am with you 100%. -{

Firemass · March 2014

Jarvio wrote:

Where would the film rank for you if Dalton had played bond in it?

or if Roger Moore was younger…say 49-51 ?

Asp9mm · March 2014

PPK 7.65mm wrote:

If Dalton had played in the film, I am sure that not only would get a better story but also we might likely get different actors in the various roles. I could see the part of Tibbet going to some one like Michael Prayed from the television series Robin of Sherwood for example, and Zorin could been played by Joss Ackland (Bad guy from Lethal Weapon II) or Alan Rickman for example.

So what you are saying is.... AVTAK would have been better if they had a different Bond, cast and story

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Firemass · March 2014

PPK 7.65mm wrote:

If Dalton had played in the film, I am sure that not only would get a better story but also we might likely get different actors in the various roles. I could see the part of Tibbet going to some one like Michael Prayed from the television series Robin of Sherwood for example, and Zorin could been played by Joss Ackland (Bad guy from Lethal Weapon II) or Alan Rickman for example.

The question is a direct substitution of Dalton for Moore. Everything else stays exactly the same.

Sir Hillary Bray · March 2014

Jarvio wrote:

Where would the film rank for you if Dalton had played bond in it?

Personally, I would prefer Dalton as Stacy. Big improvement that would have been.

Firemass · March 2014

Sir Hillary Bray wrote:

Jarvio wrote:

Where would the film rank for you if Dalton had played bond in it?

Personally, I would prefer Dalton as Stacy. Big improvement that would have been.

A gay love interest? That would have certainly spiced things up a bit.

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Gassy Man · March 2014

It would have been better suited for a younger man, and if Dalton had done it, I"m guessing the action would have been played up more and the comedy more restrained.

A View to a Kill is basically another version of Goldfinger, but without the scope and the imagination. It would still take more than a younger Bond to make it all work.

Thunderpussy · March 2014

Sir Hilliary Bray wrote :

Personally, I would prefer Dalton as Stacy. Big improvement that would have been.

He is a great, Talented actor, So he could do it.

Higgins · March 2014

Sir Hillary Bray wrote:

Personally, I would prefer Dalton as Stacy. Big improvement that would have been.

Oh, that's utterly brilliant! I like your thinking

Charmed & Dangerous · March 2014

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Would have brought a new meaning to Sir Rog''s immortal line from the film: "Stretch, Stacey, stretch!" ;%

BIG TAM · March 2014

A word I'd use for A VIEW TO A KILL is lacklustre. It feels as though everyone's going through the motions. Take the two fights - the one between Bond, Tibbett & Zorin's two thugs & the latter one in Stacey's mansion. They must stand as two of the worst choreographed & edited in the series. There's no sense of joy in delivering the goods on the film-makers parts & for this viewer at least they're indicative of the film as a whole. And the less said about the fire truck chase the better.

Barbel · March 2014

Nice one, BT!

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Thunderpussy · March 2014

The fight in the micro chip factory is very, very poor.

Bodie · March 2014

For me it would have been much better. If the actor playing Bond looks tired the film looks tired. Rog looked liked he had been embalmed.

The plot for the film is basically sound, if a less impressive retread of GF, but TD in the lead would have had the potential for a number of improvements.

As pointed out by Big Tam we would have been spared the California Girls soundtrack in the PTS which basically ruined a great sequence.

The scene where Bond tries to chat up Stacey at Zorin's party would not have looked so embarrassing. He looked like an aging lothario trying to pick up a bunny girl at one of Hugh Heffner's parties.

With a serious actor to play opposite I think Christopher Walken would have given a better performance, although as an actor he is incapable of giving a bad performance.

The fights would have been better. In the fight at the warehouse it was hard to tell who was older and less fit, Bond and Tibbett or the guards. In the fight at Stacey's house it would not have been necessary to use a stuntman for almost the entire sequence, and since when does Bond shoot someone with rocksalt.

It would not have been necessary for May Day to have her miracleous conversion to the side of the angels. Bond and May Day could have had a good Bond v. Grant type of fight. This would have worked with TD but never with Rog. You just can't see his Bond killing a women.

The chase through San Francisco might have been played for thrills rather than for laughs.

AVTAK was spoiled in the same way as OP in that the producers and John Glenn couldn't decide whether they were making a thriller or a comedy.

Higgins · March 2014

yeah, but if they'd replaced Moore with Dalton, Glen would still have been in the lead :v

I don't understand how someone could possibly assume that with Dalton there would be no "California girls" or how Walken could have played better. IMO the Moore-Walkenn controversy is well done (Moore was always good with his nemesisses) and Dalton with Mayday would have looked even sillier

Also the fire truck chase would have been the same - ever seen that cellocase chase in TLD? That was for the laughs as well and not for thrill.

Next I am hearing is that Dalton would have turned water into wine 8-)

And now to you Blackleiter

Sir Miles · March 2014

Bondtoys wrote:

Next I am hearing is that Dalton would have turned water into wine 8-)

Not yet...but he will turn you from whine into a believer

BIG TAM · March 2014

I associate in-joke music with the Moore era. It's never cropped up after he left so I believe had Dalton been snowboarding there would've been no 'California Girls'. Turn the sound down & play a Bond theme arrangement over it & see how significantly better the scene plays out.

Walken is indeed a fine actor whose eccentricity is a virtue. But opposite Moore he comes across a bit petulant & hammy. I truly believe Dalton might have brought out a different performance from his co-star.

The cello-case chase is an interesting point which I touched on elsewhere. It is indeed a Moore-era hangover allowing dear old John Glen to indulge in some comedy schtick. But it doesn't feel as daft as the fire-truck chase with its sight-gags & pseudo-JW Pepper disgruntled cop.

Higgins · March 2014

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