gun accuracy

always shakenalways shaken LondonPosts: 6,287MI6 Agent
Was watching Kevin Costners Wyatt Earp film today ,and the famous OK corral scene has the 2 opposing families
probably 10 to 12 feet apart , then the shooting starts ,now as you know im no gun expert :) but the accuracy of those
cowboy guns seemed very poor to say the least , the words barn door and hit sprang to mind ,where those guns that bad ?
By the way, did I tell you, I was "Mad"?

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I'm no expert either but have read that the early guns were very inaccurate, :))
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  • 72897289 Beau DesertPosts: 1,691MI6 Agent
    The guns are very accurate. In "real" life pointing and firing a gun at another person, who is also shooting a gun at you is quite un-nerving, missed shots are frequent.

    If you are ever allowed the privilege to shoot a firearm, you will quickly find it's not as easy as it looks!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,443Chief of Staff
    7289 wrote:
    If you are ever allowed the privilege to shoot a firearm, you will quickly find it's not as easy as it looks!

    This really is a bad topic for me...so I'll leave...but comments such as these.... 8-)
    YNWA 97
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Never shot a firearm but have had the " privilege " ( this is an old movie cliché )
    Of arriving home switching on a light to be met by a guy in a balaclava sitting
    behind our kitchen table point a gun at me. ( didn't have the were with all to take
    in make and model ). ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • 72897289 Beau DesertPosts: 1,691MI6 Agent
    Thanks!

    The view from down here is appalling...
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :)) No problem {[]
    I have since found a use for the nails. :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • 72897289 Beau DesertPosts: 1,691MI6 Agent
    Offered for clarification only. (No desire to start a debate or wrestle with trolls who have no business posting in a thread they consider a "bad topic" in which they have no interest in other than to express disdain.)

    For some folks being able to use a firearm is indeed a "privilege", since as "subjects" all their legal rights are handed down by the "state". In the U.S.A. firearms ownership is a recognized "right".
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,443Chief of Staff
    7289 wrote:
    Offered for clarification only. (No desire to start a debate or wrestle with trolls who have no business posting in a thread they consider a "bad topic" in which they have no interest in other than to express disdain.)

    For some folks being able to use a firearm is indeed a "privilege", since as "subjects" all their legal rights are handed down by the "state". In the U.S.A. firearms ownership is a recognized "right".

    Oh right....so I'm a "troll" now ?

    If I considered it such a "bad topic" then I'd close it...but I'm allowing you the "privilege" of it....

    And just because the USA consider it a "right" doesn't make it "right"....
    8-)
    YNWA 97
  • always shakenalways shaken LondonPosts: 6,287MI6 Agent
    I just wanted to know how accurate they are :(
    By the way, did I tell you, I was "Mad"?
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,443Chief of Staff
    I just wanted to know how accurate they are :(

    Yes I know....I'm sorry for being a troll...I hope someone does answer your original query without hijacking the thread further....
    YNWA 97
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Slightly off topic but I do know of one very accurate gun ;)
    Dillinger had a special glove with a cartridge built in so when he
    Punched someone it would shoot them, very nasty.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • CmdrAtticusCmdrAtticus United StatesPosts: 1,102MI6 Agent
    edited April 2014
    The pistols at that time were more than accurate enough at close range. The problem was that unlike today, cowboys and law officers rarely engaged in gunfights. The population in the Old West was sparse too say the least in most prairie towns and those that did have a substantial one were for the most part law abiding. Most disturbances resulted from either family squabbles or drunk cowboys with nothing better to do after a long spell on the range - and most ended up in fist fights or sometimes a knife fight. Cowboys liked there freedom and the last thing on their mind was to end up in a jail deprived of it.

    Gun battles in the street occurred rarely and the standard showdowns show in the media even less. More often than not the gunfighters would just blaze away at each other, fill the street with so much smoke it was hard to see and sometimes hit bystanders instead of their opponent.
    Farmers and hunters at the time were usually more skilled at hitting their target (out of necessity) - but that was with a rifle not a pistol. OK Corral shootout was very unusual for it's time. It would be the equivalent of the mass shootings we see in the news all too often in the U.S.. In most instances, outlaws would ambush and shoot their victims in the back if they wanted to kill them, so accuracy wasn't really needed - nor was being fast on the draw. The OK Corral battle casualties came not from firearm inaccuracy due to the weapons, but from what men did then and still do today who get into such firefights - they blaze away and hope they'll eventually hit their target before they get hit. It's why though police train often on the firing range, yet can't take out a criminal with one shot when they're getting returning fire. It's also why they'll often spew out a gazallion rounds at a suspect even though he's outnumbered (and sometimes, discovered after the fact, was weaponless). It's pure fear and adrenaline, and no matter how many times they train for it, every firefight is different and the outcome will always be a bit different than one expects it will. It's why I enjoyed the Cosner's film version as well as Tombstone - they showed the battle closer to how it actually happened.
  • always shakenalways shaken LondonPosts: 6,287MI6 Agent
    thanks cmdratticus, the Kevin Costners film is the one I watched hence my original question , the two opposing sides were so close
    blasting away at each other ,they probably would have done better throwing the bloody guns at each other , yes I do realise that under fire the old addrenalin kicks in ,so accuracy would I suppose would go out of the window ,but im sure some of our members will say otherwise :D
    By the way, did I tell you, I was "Mad"?
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    Where is Asp9mm on this Thread? :))
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • JamesbondjrJamesbondjr Posts: 462MI6 Agent
    Atticus is pretty much spot on in my estimation. I'm no gun expert but that's what I'd have thought too as adrenaline and fear make things very unpredictable.

    Gene Hackman sums it up pretty well in Unforgiven:

    "Look son, being a good shot, being quick with a pistol, that don't do no harm, but it don't mean much next to being cool-headed. A man who will keep his head and not get rattled under fire, like as not, he'll kill ya. It ain't so easy to shoot a man anyhow, especially if the son-of-a-bitch is shootin' back at you."
    1- On Her Majesty's Secret Service 2- Casino Royale 3- Licence To Kill 4- Goldeneye 5- From Russia With Love
  • CmdrAtticusCmdrAtticus United StatesPosts: 1,102MI6 Agent
    That pretty much says it all. So does "Shooting the hell out of a paper target doesn't prove anything".
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    It proves no God damn, paper target, Is gonna mess with ME! :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
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