If you had to pick YOLT or TSWLM?

DevilMayCare007 · August 2014

Your choice and why?

DevilMayCare007 · August 2014

BTW I would TSWLM, because the villains are great. Triple X is AMAZING ! This is Moore's best Bond imo. Locations are good enough.

AlphaOmegaSin · August 2014

TSWLM

YOLT just seems to drag in Places (Ducks to avoid the flying Chairs)

Barbel · August 2014

Flying chairs on the way!

Both films are spectacular in ways that aren't seen any more, but YOLT has the edge.

The volcano set is jaw-dropping, especially when seen on the big screen, and TSWLM's tanker set is simply a variation on it.
Both films have genuinely beautiful cinematography, there's not much in it there.
YOLT's score knocks spots off TSWLM's.
Connery (at low power) beats Moore (on top form).
There's more Fleming in YOLT.
YOLT is less calculated.
The Kobe docks fight scene (the helicopter shot in particular) is worth the price of admission alone.
Karin Dor is IMHO the sexiest Bond girl ever.

(Don't get me wrong, I love TSWLM too)

Blackleiter · August 2014

Barbel wrote:

Flying chairs on the way!

Both films are spectacular in ways that aren't seen any more, but YOLT has the edge.

The volcano set is jaw-dropping, especially when seen on the big screen, and TSWLM's tanker set is simply a variation on it.
Both films have genuinely beautiful cinematography, there's not much in it there.
YOLT's score knocks spots off TSWLM's.
Connery (at low power) beats Moore (on top form).
There's more Fleming in YOLT.
YOLT is less calculated.
The Kobe docks fight scene (the helicopter shot in particular) is worth the price of admission alone.
Karin Dor is IMHO the sexiest Bond girl ever.

(Don't get me wrong, I love TSWLM too)

I agree with every point except your last one - Karin Dor does nothing for me. But that's a minor quibble that doesn't diminish my love for YOLT the slightest bit.

Thunderpussy · August 2014

I'm the Spy lover who loves The Spy who loved me. {[]

Silhouette Man · August 2014

TSWLM as the characters are better drawn.

Virgil37 · August 2014

Even though neither is a favourite, I would pick TSWLM over YOLT. Reason? possibly worst Connery performance against best Moore performance, and one of the best Bond girls (Barbara Bach) against unremarkable Bond girls cast. Other than that, the films are very similar.

chrisisall · August 2014

YOLT without a moment's hesitation.
Well... TSWLM has Caroline Munroe... but she got axed too quickly!

YOLT is Connery. Barry. 60's.

Brosnan_fan · August 2014

TSWLM, without question. -{

Excellent production values, a more memorable title song, The Lotus trumping Little Nellie, more memorable Bond henchman, and an even more alluring Bond girl. :x

King Kamal · August 2014

Oh Christ what are you trying to do to me?

I would choose...er...er

YOLT is just so atmospheric with Japan a really beautiful setting then you have Spectre at their peak with Plesances's Blofeld better than Stromberg for me. Nancy Sinatra's theme song is so soothing with that slight oriental twang, also quite like Aki and Kissy and I actually don't think Connery's performance was that bad at all. And the Volcano lair...

TSWLM is an epic, a gigantic adventure. You have some brilliant action sequences including one of the best PTS's and some really iconic characters in Triple X and Jaws who really is perhaps one of Bond's toughest and most menacing adversaries. Cant say a bad word about Moore here and Marvin Hamlisch's score is just inspired.

My heart is saying YOLT but Lewis Gilbert did a great job on both.

Thunderpussy · August 2014

Ah! Sophie's choice

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Blackleiter · August 2014

King Kamal wrote:

YOLT is just so atmospheric with Japan a really beautiful setting then you have Spectre at their peak with Plesances's Blofeld better than Stromberg for me. Nancy Sinatra's theme song is so soothing with that slight oriental twang, also quite like Aki and Kissy and I actually don't think Connery's performance was that bad at all. And the Volcano lair...

Yes, yes and yes! {[]

DEFIANT 74205 · August 2014

Barbel wrote:

Flying chairs on the way!

Both films are spectacular in ways that aren't seen any more, but YOLT has the edge.

The volcano set is jaw-dropping, especially when seen on the big screen, and TSWLM's tanker set is simply a variation on it.
Both films have genuinely beautiful cinematography, there's not much in it there.
YOLT's score knocks spots off TSWLM's.
Connery (at low power) beats Moore (on top form).
There's more Fleming in YOLT.
YOLT is less calculated.
The Kobe docks fight scene (the helicopter shot in particular) is worth the price of admission alone.
Karin Dor is IMHO the sexiest Bond girl ever.

(Don't get me wrong, I love TSWLM too)

Aside from the last two points - about Karin Dor and loving The Spy Who Loved Me, I have to agree.

You Only Live Twice may be, in my view, the weakest of the 60s, and Connery may not have been at his best, but it was still a decent film. Aside from the scenes you referred to, there was also the Little Nellie sequence which was immensely enjoyable.

In contrast, I think The Spy Who Loved Me is vastly overrated. The name "Agent XXX" is too generic (don't EON have any imagination anymore?), Barbara Bach is hopelessly miscast (never looked like she could hurt a fly, let alone kill Bond), and General Gogol was superfluous. It only got better when Bond was taken on board Stromberg's ship (whatever it's called, I can't remember now).

AdamOmega · August 2014

The Spy Who Loved Me. Spy is commonly considered to be a remake of You Only Live Twice, but it's also just a better movie overall. Epic scale, great characters, Roger Moore & Lewis Gilbert at the top of their game, the score is fantastic, the set design is next to none... Twice has nothing on Spy.

AdamOmega · August 2014

DEFIANT 74205 wrote:

In contrast, I think The Spy Who Loved Me is vastly overrated. The name "Agent XXX" is too generic (don't EON have any imagination anymore?), Barbara Bach is hopelessly miscast (never looked like she could hurt a fly, let alone kill Bond), and General Gogol was superfluous. It only got better when Bond was taken on board Stromberg's ship (whatever it's called, I can't remember now).

Most critics of Spy tend to single out Barbara Bach's "bad acting", which I don't think is particularly fair or accurate. Triple-X is a well realized character, and certainly one of the better female role models in the overall Bond franchise. Being that this was shortly after the days of Jill St. John and Britt Ekland goofing around in bikinis, I'd say that EoN took a step in the right direction.

Silhouette Man · August 2014

AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

TSWLM

YOLT just seems to drag in Places (Ducks to avoid the flying Chairs)

As opposed to DAF which had a real drag...

) -{

Higgins · August 2014

Blackleiter wrote:

Barbel wrote:

Flying chairs on the way!

The Kobe docks fight scene (the helicopter shot in particular) is worth the price of admission alone.
Karin Dor is IMHO the sexiest Bond girl ever.

(Don't get me wrong, I love TSWLM too)

I agree with every point except your last one - Karin Dor does nothing for me. But that's a minor quibble that doesn't diminish my love for YOLT the slightest bit.

Being german, I never understood that parts of the male population fancied Dor in YOLT.
She was a good looking person but these red hair and her makeup where simply horrible.

I for my part prefer YOLT slightly for Barbel's reasons but in one part he's gotten it totally wrong:
In TSWLM, Moore scores out Connery in YOLT by miles!

chrisisall · August 2014

The lack of Karen Dor appreciation here staggers me.

AlphaOmegaSin · August 2014

Silhouette Man wrote:

AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

TSWLM

YOLT just seems to drag in Places (Ducks to avoid the flying Chairs)

As opposed to DAF which had a real drag... ) -{

Look what the Cat dragged in

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Thunderpussy · August 2014

) come to think of it Thunderball had a bit of drag in it too.

MadMaxZorin · August 2014

Yikes! I definitely don't want to get into a Sean Connery vs. Roger Moore debate. Connery was and always will be the first and greatest Bond, but I loved Roger Moore too for different reasons. I definitely pick the Spy Who Loved Me. It's just a much sharper movie with better action sequences, better villains, a better Bond Girl etc. TSWLM is just a rock solid Bond Film IMO. I know some people are put off by anything from that era but I have it ranked very high on my list.

Thunderpussy · August 2014

" Wherever two Bond fans are gathered, there must be a Connery v Moore debate"
I think that's rule number 3, in the AJB handbook.

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Higgins · August 2014

what are rules nr. 1 and 2?

Thunderpussy · August 2014

#1, Thunderpussy is ALWAYS correct.
#2, See rule number 1.

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I'm thinking of starting a Thread for ideas for rules in a handbook for AJB.

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AlphaOmegaSin · August 2014

1st Rule of Thunderpussy Club is to never discuss Thunderpussy

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Higgins · August 2014

change "ALWAYS" into "NUTS" and you have my blessings

Regarding an AJB handbook: Brilliant idea - if it's not too close to the AJB glossary {[]

Thunderpussy · August 2014

Well, I'll move it away from the glossary then.

MadMaxZorin · August 2014

Thunderpussy wrote:

" Wherever two Bond fans are gathered, there must be a Connery v Moore debate"
I think that's rule number 3, in the AJB handbook. )

I must...resist. Refuse to pick a side...

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Thunderpussy · August 2014

) I'm in the same camp, like them both, but for different reasons. -{

Higgins · August 2014

to choose between YOLT and TSWLM would like asking someone, which one they prefer: 1 or 2

Image deleted by Barbel. You know better than that, Markus!

If you had to pick YOLT or TSWLM?

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