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  • ppw3o6rppw3o6r Great BritainPosts: 2,280MI6 Agent
    Actually we use the term "can" :p
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :)) {[]
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,340MI6 Agent
    It just occured to me.... is it possible I might have upset gun experts without even saying 'gun silencer"?
    You know, by saying other, political things about guns? :o :o :o
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    https://youtu.be/TFhIXPZwdJ0
    Thought his was interesting silcencer v suppressor
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  • Ammo08Ammo08 Missouri, USAPosts: 387MI6 Agent
    That was an interesting YouTube video on using a pillow as a suppressor....

    Someone earlier mentioned the Winchester lever action rifles...one of my first guns was a Winchester 94 in 30-30 that I bought with earnings from my sawmill job...I think I was 14 or 15. I had always hunted deer with a shotgun and I really wanted a rifle..

    I was stationed in Wyoming in the early 70s and I remember being at the base rifle range one day when the Wyoming State Police were training. They carried Winchester 94s in their cars...they were doing some training where they would shoot one or two rounds, and while moving forward they would top off their rifle..that side loading gate is handy.

    The 30-30 round is very potent...

    I often carry my Winchester when I'm on my farm...it's light, accurate and reliable...can't beat that.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,340MI6 Agent
    If Hinx returns (and I hope he does) the Gilboa Snake assault rifle will be perfect for him:


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    Or perhaps Hinx prefers shotguns?

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I wonder with all these double barrels .... is Hinx trying to compensate for something ? :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,340MI6 Agent
    Yes, most people only need to shoot one ball at the time. One ball ........ is Hinx the target of a Hitler joke? :))
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,340MI6 Agent
    This is a modernized Version of the SOE pistol Welrod - probably the most quiet gun in the world in WWII.
    The new Welrod (B&T VP9) would be perfect for an assassin in a Bond movie, but not James Bond IMO.


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    Article:
    https://www.all4shooters.com/en/Shooting/pistols/B&T-VP9-9mm-single-shot-repeater-silenced-pistol/


    The WWII Welrod pistol:

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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,340MI6 Agent
    I have seen some documentaries about special forces/agent training in WWII. Sometimes they fire pistols while squatting, like this:


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    Is this a practical technique, or is it silly?
  • 00730073 COPPosts: 1,061MI6 Agent
    At this years pistol/rifle CQB refresher we did almost that. The scenario was that you are pretty close up with the threat and you get your "OH S1HT!" -moment, either run out or get a jam... It's better to drop down (we went on our knee/knees) to load/clear, and continue to fire in an upward angle, than to stay upright as a perfect target.

    Then again, the several '40s and '50s manuals I have, show quite different technique from what we know today, included the above one. I have sometimes wondered if the instructors really knew what they were talking about...
    Case in point:
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    "I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
    -Mr Arlington Beech
  • ppw3o6rppw3o6r Great BritainPosts: 2,280MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I have seen some documentaries about special forces/agent training in WWII. Sometimes they fire pistols while squatting, like this:


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    Is this a practical technique, or is it silly?

    Practical on skis perhaps :D

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Or if attacked by dwarf zombies ? ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,340MI6 Agent
    0073 wrote:
    At this years pistol/rifle CQB refresher we did almost that. The scenario was that you are pretty close up with the threat and you get your "OH S1HT!" -moment, either run out or get a jam... It's better to drop down (we went on our knee/knees) to load/clear, and continue to fire in an upward angle, than to stay upright as a perfect target.

    Then again, the several '40s and '50s manuals I have, show quite different technique from what we know today, included the above one. I have sometimes wondered if the instructors really knew what they were talking about...
    Case in point:
    Rex-Applegate-Devel-2.jpg

    Some of the shooting styles in WWII do look strange today. I remember the SOE agent Max Manus wrote that some of the recruits who had shooting experience from before the war questioned some of what the pistol instructors said. One instructor was of the opinion that the arm should be bent when firing a pistol ?:)
    The more experienced shooters had a shooting competition against the instructor and won.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,340MI6 Agent
    edited November 2018
    Not a question this time. I'm watching QI episodes (highly reccomended on the web and Stephen Fry said something quite interesting about the Swiss Army. Every year on averge 24 people are murdered by someone using assault rifles kept at home by reserve soldiers. This makes the third highest rate of gun murders per capita of any country in the world.

    I looked at the statistics. The average gun realted deaths per capita in Switzerland is 37.16. That's very high, more than Guatemala.
    Of course, not all gun deaths are murders.

    Honduras has 60 and Venezuela has 59.13, El Salvador has 45. In other words Switzerland isn't on third place according to these numbers, but they are very high on the list. Most countries are under 2-3. All of Switzerland's neighbours are under 3.
    But the list I found is far from complete: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

    Here are some more numbers:

    USA has 4.62.
    Norway 1.75 (In the cold war Home Guard members kept battle rifles at home, but gun deaths were very low back then too)
    Japan 0.06
    India 0.28
    Israel 2.09 (a country where conscripts bring their military weapons home or on the streets when on leave)
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,340MI6 Agent
    From 1914 to 1986 the service pistol in the Norwegian military was a version of the Colt M1911 produced on licence by Kongsberg Våpenfabrikk ("arms factory"). Most of the pistols were produced from 1915 to 1947. This includes production during the German occupation 1940-45.
    This is where it gets interesting. Some workers at the arms factory smugled out individual pieces of guns in their lunch boxes. These componenets were stolen before they were stamped with production numbers, making them untraceable. When they had all the components the pistols were assembled and handed over to members of the resistance. About 500 of these "Matpakke Colt" ("Lunch Box Colt") ended up in the hands of the resistence. Now these guns are highly sought after by collectors.


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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,340MI6 Agent
    What type of assault rifle is the masked attacker carrying?


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  • ppw3o6rppw3o6r Great BritainPosts: 2,280MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    What type of assault rifle is the masked attacker carrying?


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    The profile looks like it could be a Czech VZ58 as used on SPECTRE -{


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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,340MI6 Agent
    The guns look very much alike. According to IMFDB the Compact version has only been used in one English-language movie before, and that is SPECTRE. Is it deliberate, or perhaps the EON armourer simply likes the gun?
  • ggl007ggl007 SpainPosts: 388MI6 Agent
    That's quite interesting. Thank you, ppw3o6r!
  • Quentin QuigleyQuentin Quigley Terminal One, Hamburg AirportPosts: 1,201MI6 Agent
    Very interesting, considering where you see the gun in SP. Thanks for sharing!
    Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
  • 00730073 COPPosts: 1,061MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    The guns look very much alike. According to IMFDB the Compact version has only been used in one English-language movie before, and that is SPECTRE. Is it deliberate, or perhaps the EON armourer simply likes the gun?

    If you recall tv series "Strike Back", it also featured CSA SA vz. 58 Compact in several episodes.

    Sometimes, because of the restrictions imposed on transporting and / or possessing certain types of firearms, film and tv productions source weapons locally. This makes for some very interesting weapons spotting!
    "I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
    -Mr Arlington Beech
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,340MI6 Agent
    0073 wrote:

    Sometimes, because of the restrictions imposed on transporting and / or possessing certain types of firearms, film and tv productions source weapons locally. This makes for some very interesting weapons spotting!

    I think that was the case in OHMSS, but it certainly isn't the case this time.
  • danjaq_0ffdanjaq_0ff The SwampsPosts: 7,283MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    0073 wrote:

    Sometimes, because of the restrictions imposed on transporting and / or possessing certain types of firearms, film and tv productions source weapons locally. This makes for some very interesting weapons spotting!

    I think that was the case in OHMSS, but it certainly isn't the case this time.

    Agreed N24, EON's Armorers don't seem to have a problem with getting what the Production need, Donk ( PPW 3O6R ) is obviously more in the know that me and has extensive knowledge on the subject {[]
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,340MI6 Agent
    This is the sort of detail that could be a clue to something important, but it's even more likely to be an unimportant coinsidence.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Not so much a gun but bomb question.

    Watching an old episode of Spooks last night, with a laptop with
    Some plastic explosives in it. Obviously they tried several things
    To diffuse it, but my question is

    Is it possible to instead of stopping it, you could scoop out most of the plastic explosives, so only a small amount was left, then it could go off but cause little damage ? Or have I just killed myself :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,535MI6 Agent
    Yes that is entirely possible. Unless there’s a hidden trigger within the mass of plastique.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Thanks Asp9mm, {[]
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,340MI6 Agent
    edited June 2019
    I just read that the Walther WA2000, the sniper rifle 007 uses in TLD, is extremely rare. Only a total of 156 were made. The price is $12 500 and up for one of them today. The rifle was made for militarized police anti-terrorism units like GSG9 and the French GIGN. That's a very small market and the rifle was expensive to begin with, so this probably explans why so few were sold.
  • CajunCajun Posts: 492MI6 Agent
    Not so much a gun but bomb question.

    Watching an old episode of Spooks last night, with a laptop with
    Some plastic explosives in it. Obviously they tried several things
    To diffuse it, but my question is

    Is it possible to instead of stopping it, you could scoop out most of the plastic explosives, so only a small amount was left, then it could go off but cause little damage ? Or have I just killed myself :))

    Plausible, but it would be easier and more effective to just pull out the visible wired blasting cap(s) required to detonate plastic explosive.
    I edit, therefore I am.
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