In the classic Bond films, the person who wrote the score usually wrote the theme, or at least worked on it. To ask Thomas Newman to use the theme in the score—a proper amount and not for just a few bars like in Skyfall—is an insult to him.
That's why John Barry never returned after TLD. In the 2006 documentary for Channel 4 "James Bond's Greatest Hits" he mentions being offered a subsequent Bond film but he quite rightly told them to do one when it became clear that he would not be involved with the title song.
General consensus is the song is a disappointment in some form or other. Daniel Kleinman has my sympathies.
He's certainly got his work cut out for him.
Poor chap's been put into a difficult position with this one. He's going to have to deliver something really good to stop audiences getting restless in their seats because of the song.
In the classic Bond films, the person who wrote the score usually wrote the theme, or at least worked on it. To ask Thomas Newman to use the theme in the score—a proper amount and not for just a few bars like in Skyfall—is an insult to him.
That's why John Barry never returned after TLD. In the 2006 documentary for Channel 4 "James Bond's Greatest Hits" he mentions being offered a subsequent Bond film but he quite rightly told them to do one when it became clear that he would not be involved with the title song.
I've never heard that reason. He was gravely ill in 1989, so he wasn't an option for LTK. I heard that for GE they didn't want to pay him the amount he wanted. He also gave the reason that he could go further creatively with Bond anymore, though if that was the case he should have stopped composing long before he did.
i'm actually get quite angry about it now X-( ... irrational I know but hey ...
That screeching falsetto is awful, awful awful. The beginning is quite good and if he'd stuck to the lower ranges of his voice it may have worked.
I had really hoped they wouldn't go with Sam Smith and unfortunately I've proved myself right
You've summed up my feelings exactly...and please, don't tell me it's going to sound better with the film as after several more listens it gets worse...
Now where's that bottle of prosecco, I'm off to TP's man cave to watch Die Hard
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I like the song after hearing it a few times it sounds good to me, it brings me back to the old Bond movies.
It's much much much better than the QoS theme song (but that is kicking down an open door)
Time will tell, obviously, but I'm having trouble picturing this song coming on the heels of what looks to be an action packed PTS. This song sounds like a real buzz kill.
Its a very good song. For those who didnt't like it, sorry that theres not guitars, drums, electronic beats and reverb in there but this is an R&B song and not a pop song
Its a very good song. For those who didnt't like it, sorry that theres not guitars, drums, electronic beats and reverb in there but this is an R&B song and not a pop song
That is not why people hate it
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I've held off posting my opinion as I wanted to give the song chance and a few plays before casting judgment.
All I'll say is that it's definitely a grower on me plus over the titles I think it'll work excellently. Instrumentals are great , the only parts which I'm not overly keen on is when the pitch goes rather high , but again it's a grower for sure. Played it a good few times now and I seem to be getting more fond.
In honesty I think it'll be a good theme in time and many may look back at their first judgements once it's been in the film. My 2 peneth anyway -{
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The song may be disappointing, but it does have some good points, and there is no way that it is worse than the QOS song.
QoS had a nice catchy riff / hook despite Jack Whites repetitive screechy vocals. This is simply forgettable at the moment for me. Maybe it will be better with the title sequence visuals but as a stand alone song I'm not impressed so far.
Its a very good song. For those who didnt't like it, sorry that theres not guitars, drums, electronic beats and reverb in there but this is an R&B song and not a pop song
I had a feeling that anything following SF was going to be pretty anti-climatic..and here it is.
Still dislike You Know My Name? I always appreciated it. Now we have another one to slide down to the bottom of the best theme song list. There was DAD, QOS and now the Whinings On The Wall. Pity Annie Lennox didn't get to cover this. Pity she never got to do a Bond film.
Its a very good song. For those who didnt't like it, sorry that theres not guitars, drums, electronic beats and reverb in there but this is an R&B song and not a pop song
That is not why people hate it
"hate" is a very strong word. I'd see the film first?
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I'm listening to it on Spotify...Is this it? really? ...Tell me this is the drumless version and the official one has a proper sounding drum track,...I don't know. It might grow on me, but the first impression is totally negative. And I must say this is a first in all the years I've been a Bond fan. I've never, ever, not liked a Bond track. Not even Madonna's.
But this? falsetto, Bee Gees like, when you're expecting the song to build? Also, the melody is undefined, wanders all over the place, like "hey, I better come up with a hook", and he comes up with five , but not one's good enough, and he puts them all in anyway.
Guess I'm gonna be one of those guys. I love the song. It actually registers instantly as my favorite Bond theme song hands down. I've been wanting a love song from the perspective of Bond for the longest time now, and this turned out better than I expected. To me the song expresses the valnarability with women that the character hides just below his cruel, controlled, self protective surface. To me, the song sums up my favorite aspects of the character that have resonated with me the most. I really get the feeling of meloncoly that comes along with a man who, no matter how hard he tries to find a woman and settle down into a normal life, he just can't. His lifestyle makes it impossible for any relationship to ever work, yet it's his lifestyle that brings him to meet the only kind of women he could ever be able to possibly settle down with. The song is Bond exposed. I love the notional nature of the song. This might not be what most are getting from this, but as with any piece of art, the art will resonate with each individual differently. And, this piece of music has resonated an aspect of the art of Bond that I have always experienced and have always felt was underrated and underrepresented. I'm over the top excited that it has finally been resonated so well. I'm very interested now in seeing how this theme is carried over into the movie.
As a song, I love that there is no real hook. It doesn't follow the norms of song making. It floats along through emotions that are new to being so openly expressed. The song's structure complements the feelings being sung. They definitely did not go the safe route with this one, and I really like that they had the guts to do that, to do something different.
Why didn't they just write a check and get No Good About Goodbye? Now this is a Bond ballad. Listen to this an compare it to Smith's. Shirley's voice is haunting and beautiful and can almost bring one to tears, especially with these memorable lyrics. They even put it over the QOS titles and it actually improves them. Is it just me? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z8OKU48xMw
Why didn't they just write a check and get No Good About Goodbye? Now this is a Bond ballad. Listen to this an compare it to Smith's. Shirley's voice is haunting and beautiful and can almost bring one to tears, especially with these memorable lyrics. They even put it over the QOS titles and it actually improves them. Is it just me? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z8OKU48xMw
I totally agree with you. Now, that is a Bond ballad. I like Smith's even worse than ten minutes ago. Who knows, they might be trying to be different, and appeal a younger audience. Maybe I'm just growing old 8-)
It's not bad. More of a Sam Smith song than a Bond one -- pretty much what he always sings. The orchestrations make it a Bond song. But this will be a big hit. And I guarantee it will be nominated for an Academy Award.
Poured myself a whiskey and I just bought it off iTunes for 99p to give it a "fair crack" since only listened in the car not the wireless.
Hmm - I agree exactly with somebody else above in this thread. Its plodding along "OK" and i can visualise the dreamy dark Skyfall like title sequence but........ when it hits the 1min 28 sec mark his falsetto blows the whole thing and then gets worse.
On the plus side - I'm sure the film is going to be killer!!
And I guarantee it will be nominated for an Academy Award.
No way. Unless Academy Awards are only politicking (which they probably are).
They are. Mostly a popularity contest. I made the same prediction about Adele's Skyfall before I'd even heard it, which when I did still didn't seem Academy Award quality but knew it would win because of currency, marketing, and popularity.
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He's certainly got his work cut out for him.
I've never heard that reason. He was gravely ill in 1989, so he wasn't an option for LTK. I heard that for GE they didn't want to pay him the amount he wanted. He also gave the reason that he could go further creatively with Bond anymore, though if that was the case he should have stopped composing long before he did.
You've summed up my feelings exactly...and please, don't tell me it's going to sound better with the film as after several more listens it gets worse...
Now where's that bottle of prosecco, I'm off to TP's man cave to watch Die Hard
It's much much much better than the QoS theme song (but that is kicking down an open door)
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Intro - piano etc - sounds dark, quite good
Sam Smiths vocals - didn't go down well at all
Orchestra kicks in - very Bond but does little to Salvage the song
Now this was BFBS radio (British Forces) and the DJ didn't sound impressed either and decided to play Live and Let Die - well say no more!!!
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That is not why people hate it
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QoS had a nice catchy riff / hook despite Jack Whites repetitive screechy vocals. This is simply forgettable at the moment for me. Maybe it will be better with the title sequence visuals but as a stand alone song I'm not impressed so far.
Its not a R&B song. More like an X Factor song
Still dislike You Know My Name? I always appreciated it. Now we have another one to slide down to the bottom of the best theme song list. There was DAD, QOS and now the Whinings On The Wall. Pity Annie Lennox didn't get to cover this. Pity she never got to do a Bond film.
One one hand you have Bassey, Wings, Sheena Easton. A-ha, Chris Cornell, Adele
On the other hand you have Lulu, Rita Coolidge, Cheryl Crowe, Garbage, Madonna and Jack White...
Once in a while they produce rubbish like this.....nothing wrong if you can learn to appreciate it..
I still say its better then DAD...
Not quite...in an interview given a few weeks ago he said he wrote in 20 mins and then Sam Mendes changed a couple of words/lines...
Still haven't heard it...and can't be bothered too yet...
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"hate" is a very strong word. I'd see the film first?
Well in that case he should have taken an hour of his time to polish it
Seriously WTF is a film director doing messing with songs anyway, imagine Mendes telling Thom Yorke to change the lyrics lol
But this? falsetto, Bee Gees like, when you're expecting the song to build? Also, the melody is undefined, wanders all over the place, like "hey, I better come up with a hook", and he comes up with five , but not one's good enough, and he puts them all in anyway.
Adele's runs circles around this.
As a song, I love that there is no real hook. It doesn't follow the norms of song making. It floats along through emotions that are new to being so openly expressed. The song's structure complements the feelings being sung. They definitely did not go the safe route with this one, and I really like that they had the guts to do that, to do something different.
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Smith said that Mendes didn't want Bond to come across as weak in the lyrics...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z8OKU48xMw
I totally agree with you. Now, that is a Bond ballad. I like Smith's even worse than ten minutes ago. Who knows, they might be trying to be different, and appeal a younger audience. Maybe I'm just growing old 8-)
Hmm - I agree exactly with somebody else above in this thread. Its plodding along "OK" and i can visualise the dreamy dark Skyfall like title sequence but........ when it hits the 1min 28 sec mark his falsetto blows the whole thing and then gets worse.
On the plus side - I'm sure the film is going to be killer!!
No way. Unless Academy Awards are only politicking (which they probably are).
Im sending a complaint to Tim Cook