Why do people like Die Another Day and Quantum of Solace?

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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    edited December 2014
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    Thunderbird 2 wrote :
    "Its a Connery film until Bond travels to Iceland. Then with no pause, it left turns into a Moore era film."
    :)) I'd never thought of that before, but it's true. :D

    I agree there's a lot of merit to that perspective. I like DAD more than it seems many fans do, but mostly for the first half. I think Brosnan does some strong work here, and the unfolding of the plot is interesting. Even the overtly humorous touches like Bond's stroll through the hotel lobby in his pajamas don't bother me. And the emergence of Halle Berry from the ocean was a true visual treat (ruined only to a certain extent when she started talking!) But it took a turn for the worse for me once the story moved from Cuba to the Ice Palace. Still, I found enough to like about DAD that it is higher on my list than several other Bond films.

    As for QOS, I enjoy it as a follow up to CR, with another very strong performance by Daniel Craig. My biggest problem with the film is some of the oft-complained about editing of the action sequences, although only the opening car chase really bothered me. I also thought Greene and his henchman Elvis were pretty weak, but other than that I quite enjoy the movie.
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    :)) aI have nothing but the deepest respect for the old coggers
    Of AJB ! :D

    "You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? Well I'm the only one here....." :D
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    That's a hat stand, I'm over here ! :)) ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,757Chief of Staff
    Blackleiter wrote:
    I also thought Green and his henchman Elvis were pretty weak....

    I'm not sure why people still think that Elvis was a 'henchman' ?:)
    YNWA 97
  • screenamescreename Posts: 388MI6 Agent
    For me, QoS is my favorite bond film (not the best, that award goes to CR, but my favorite.) I like the fact that the plot is a bit hard to pick up on until you watch it a few times. I don't know, I guess I like to work for my entertainment! Visually I think it has the perfect look for a modern bond film. It's gritty, yet elegant. The Tosca scene is a particular standout for the series as a whole. I like how it was never firmly established if Mathis was a traitor or not. I like the ambiguity of it. Really, I don't mind Greene all that much. It's true that he's a very weak villain but yet somehow it doesn't bug me. Daniel Craig gives his best performance and looks his best in any of his films. Really the only thing I dislike is the jump from the plane.
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Sir Miles wrote:
    Blackleiter wrote:
    I also thought Green and his henchman Elvis were pretty weak....

    I'm not sure why people still think that Elvis was a 'henchman' ?:)

    True, he wasn't a henchman in the classical sense that he provided to muscle for the main villain. More like a sidekick. Or a number one assistant and confidante? How about social secretary? Hell, I'll admit it - I have no idea what Elvis is doing there! :))
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,757Chief of Staff
    Blackleiter wrote:
    Sir Miles wrote:
    Blackleiter wrote:
    I also thought Green and his henchman Elvis were pretty weak....

    I'm not sure why people still think that Elvis was a 'henchman' ?:)

    True, he wasn't a henchman in the classical sense that he provided to muscle for the main villain. More like a sidekick. Or a number one assistant and confidante? How about social secretary? Hell, I'll admit it - I have no idea what Elvis is doing there! :))

    Ok...keep your wig on :))
    YNWA 97
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Sir Miles wrote:
    Ok...keep your wig on :))
    And your pants.
    :007)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,757Chief of Staff
    chrisisall wrote:
    Sir Miles wrote:
    Ok...keep your wig on :))
    And your pants.
    :007)

    Spoilsport :D
    YNWA 97
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,320MI6 Agent
    I thought he was an extra who kept getting his mug in the picture!
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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Sir Miles wrote:
    Blackleiter wrote:
    Sir Miles wrote:

    I'm not sure why people still think that Elvis was a 'henchman' ?:)

    True, he wasn't a henchman in the classical sense that he provided to muscle for the main villain. More like a sidekick. Or a number one assistant and confidante? How about social secretary? Hell, I'll admit it - I have no idea what Elvis is doing there! :))

    Ok...keep your wig on :))

    Too bad Elvis didn't take that advice! :))
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Blackleiter wrote:
    Too bad Elvis didn't take that advice! :))
    He didn't keep his pants on either!
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:
    I'm actually puzzled why people like The Dark Knight and Skyfall. Like you said, it's all opinion.

    Don't forget that Die Another Day was a HUGE hit with both critics and audiences when it was released.


    DAD was a "huge hit" with critics? It gets 57% on Rotten Tomatoes (i.e. "rotten") and only 45% among "top critics."

    Perhaps you're thinking of another film.
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    But DAD was the highest Grossing Bond Film up to that Point.
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Gala Brand wrote:
    DAD was a "huge hit" with critics? It gets 57% on Rotten Tomatoes (i.e. "rotten") and only 45% among "top critics."
    That's now- I remember reading all sorts of "The Best Bond ever"'s all over the place back in 2002. :s
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Yes, many critics loved it .
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    Yes, many critics loved it .

    Many critics damned it with faint praise. Drinks vodka martin. Check. Says Oneliners. Check. Girl in biikni. Check. It was the way they marked all the Brosnans but i remember one newspaper say "this Bond isn't that good"

    And the bad reviews occurred on the internet.
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    My 12 year old mind took no notice of any of the bad Bits :))
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    AlphaOmegaSin wrote:
    My 12 year old mind took no notice of any of the bad Bits :))

    At 12 years old I watched MR - and I couldn't escape Jaws and Dolly in "love"
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    As many, many have said, the first half in my opinion is very good.
    The second, not so good. :D but I still watch it from time to time. -{
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • GrazmeisterGrazmeister Posts: 34MI6 Agent
    Everytime I watch DAD I love it up to when the invisible car is introduced..I was so disappointed how it dissolved into such a noisy mess and still am. Still think the moment when he walks into the hotel looking like a tramp is awesome though. That's the thing, every Bond film..however average has its great scenes.

    QOS is the same..hated the choppy editing but the scene at the opera was classic Bond I thought and Craig is great in it. The moment he **** that bloke off his motorbike makes me laugh everytime :)) .

    To be honest I can't think of a Bond film that isn't worth watching for some reason or another (which is probably why I'm here.. :v )
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    -{ some nice observations Grazmeister. :)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • GrazmeisterGrazmeister Posts: 34MI6 Agent
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    -{ some nice observations Grazmeister. :)

    Why thank you :D
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