Funny thing is that even in HD, I didn't really notice the stunt double. I guess its because I wasn't paying attention too much on that detail. I zoned out during some parts of the movie because they were boring lol
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Another interesting topic. What if Dalton had played Moore in AVTAK.
Considering how low this movie ranks, it may have been a good idea. It might have given the more dramatic scenes a bit of heft. At the same time, I think The Living Daylights was a much better intro for Dalton. It felt like a Dalton movie. AVTAK doesn't feel like a Dalton movie.
The crowd at the wedding reception that Bond crashes are dancing to a jazzy instrumental version of the song. Nice touch!
Cons
The main strike scene borrows heavily from Gold and the stuntmen aren't well hidden.
The writing for Bond and Stacey's relationship is all over the place. He spends almost the entire film acting as Stacey's protector, almost like a father figure. He is having sex with her in the end of the film. He has never had any sexual intentions towards her despite what he says to Tibbett.
Have you ever heard of the Emancipation Proclamation?"
PROS:
* Duran Duran's theme song.
* John Barry's soundtrack
* Christopher Walken's Zorin.
* Ski PTS
* All scenes in France (specially Eiffel tower, but Chateau too).
* Grace Jones.
* San Francisco, great location.
* Golden Gate ending.
* The references to fracking (pumping water in oil fields) 25 years before they made news.
CONS:
* First and foremost, a 57 year old Bond.
* Beach Boys "California Girls" in PTS, ruining the mood of a very good, tense scene with one of the best John Barry cues ever.
* Consequence of a 57 year old Bond, the scenes with Stacey where he behaves as a grandfather as opposed to a womanizer.
* The fire engine chase, too keystone cops. Again, comedy runing a tense escape.
* Did I mention that Roger Moore was too old to play James Bond?
Another interesting topic. What if Dalton had played Moore in AVTAK.
Considering how low this movie ranks, it may have been a good idea. It might have given the more dramatic scenes a bit of heft. At the same time, I think The Living Daylights was a much better intro for Dalton. It felt like a Dalton movie. AVTAK doesn't feel like a Dalton movie.
If Dalton had played Bond, I think AVTAK would be considered a classic. The screenplay would have been written for a more serious, young actor, so all the problems that I see in the movie would disappear.
Pros:
[list=*]
[*]Mayday
Moore
Epic John Barry score
Golden Gate Bridge Fight
Snow scenes in PTS
Walken as Zorin
Clever and contemporary if not original plot
Stacey Sutton (looks and brains -{ )[/*]
[/list]
Cons
[list=*]
[*]Moore's age
Silly KGB/Ivanova sub plot
Poor MI6 Scenes
Cringeworthy end scenes
The Iceberg sub thing
Fire Engine chase and San Fran cops[/*]
[/list]
I heard that this movie was originally conceived with Dalton in mind, but Dalton couldn't do it (other contractual obligations). And Moore made some changes to it to suit his more polite personality.
Someone with more knowledge than me can affirm (or correct me on) this.
From what I've read neither Dalton nor anyone else was contacted for AVTAK. Cubby called Moore and offered him the picture, apparently there was nor bargaining this time.
I've always believed that Moore was given AVTAK, so he could hold the
Record for the longest Bond to do consecutive movies. Firstly as a snub
To Connery and secondly as a thank you for OP beating NSNA.
I have nothing to base this on, it's just what I think. )
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
I've always believed that Moore was given AVTAK, so he could hold the
Record for the longest Bond to do consecutive movies. Firstly as a snub
To Connery and secondly as a thank you for OP beating NSNA.
I have nothing to base this on, it's just what I think. )
I think so too. A thank you from Cubby, a snub to Connery, like "Moore did 7 official Bonds, you just did 6 and NSNA".
Sometimes it takes a few films before an actor's style and strengths can
Be worked into a script, especially when scripts have been written with a
Particular actor for some years.
I remember reading that it wasn't until TSWLM, that Moore got a script
In his style rather than a Connery type film. So I'd say the script for TLD
Still had parts, that had Moore in mind rather than a new actor.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
I've always believed that Moore was given AVTAK, so he could hold the
Record for the longest Bond to do consecutive movies. Firstly as a snub
To Connery and secondly as a thank you for OP beating NSNA.
I have nothing to base this on, it's just what I think. )
Interesting theory. Keep in mind that Moore already held the record for "consecutive" movies with Octopussy.
Holding the record for most Bond films overall is somewhat dubious, considering all the criticism of being too old for the part.
Honestly, I'm surprised Moore didn't retire after Moonraker.
My current 10 favorite:
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
Cons
[list=*]
[*]Moore's age
Silly KGB/Ivanova sub plot
Poor MI6 Scenes
Cringeworthy end scenes
The Iceberg sub thing
Fire Engine chase and San Fran cops[/*]
[/list]
Of your list of cons the only ones I can agree with are Moore's age and the fire engine chase. I admit the cops were not great, but still far better than JW Pepper.
Iceberg submarine = Awesome. Love when Bond spots the union jack hatch.
KGB plot = All bad guys must have some connection with the KGB.
MI6 scenes = Not sure what you mean, but I love seeing Bond, Q, Moneypenny, and M all dressed up at the horse races.
The briefing in M's office also describes the future plot of Goldeneye, which is pretty cool.
End scene: What's wrong with Bond showering with the lady while being discovered by Q ? Seems pretty standard formula ending.
My current 10 favorite:
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
I'm not quite sure there was a conspiracy. Dalton and Brosnan were working on other projects. Lazenby and Connery were out of the question. And at the time, I'm sure lots of people who grew up on Moore wanted to keep Moore as their Bond.
Moore probably stayed as long as he did, not because he was better or more important than Connery, but because finding a replacement for Moore wasn't easy.
Moore probably stayed as long as he did, not because he was better or more important than Connery, but because finding a replacement for Moore wasn't easy.
Finding a replacement wasn't easy. But my feeling is that Roger Moore only stayed on as long as he did because Sean Connery returned in Never Say Never Again. Cubby Broccoli could not risk putting a new actor up against Connery. Roger was then given A View To A Kill as a thank you for winning the "Battle of the Bonds"
Moore Not Less 4371 posts (2002 - 2007) Moore Than (2012 - 2016)
But my feeling is that Roger Moore only stayed on as long as he did because Sean Connery returned in Never Say Never Again.
Good point. It was seen as a rivalry. A new Bond would've been more risky so they hedged their bets with continuing Moore. Nowadays, people like Connery more than Moore, but from the viewpoint of the early 1980's, Moore was the one doing it and Connery was a memory in the past.
But my feeling is that Roger Moore only stayed on as long as he did because Sean Connery returned in Never Say Never Again.
Good point. It was seen as a rivalry. A new Bond would've been more risky so they hedged their bets with continuing Moore. Nowadays, people like Connery more than Moore, but from the viewpoint of the early 1980's, Moore was the one doing it and Connery was a memory in the past.
In the UK at least. In the early 1980's all of Sean Connery's six EON films were being regularly broadcast on TV, whereas by that time only three of Roger Moore's were. In those days there was a five year gap between cinema release and TV release. Video recorders/tapes were not yet widely available. So Connery was anything but a memory in that regard. And I believe he was still seen as the quintessential Bond by the majority of the critics, I clearly remember headlines such as "The real Bond is back". And I would say the majority of the public also preferred Connery. Certainly in my neck of the woods, especially the women.
Moore Not Less 4371 posts (2002 - 2007) Moore Than (2012 - 2016)
So Connery was anything but a memory in that regard. And I believe he was still seen as the quintessential Bond by the majority of the critics, I clearly remember headlines such as "The real Bond is back". And I would say the majority of the public also preferred Connery. Certainly in my neck of the woods, especially the women.
I wasn't around at the time, so I wouldn't know. So, like said above, it was a rivalry between the older generation's Bond and the younger generation's Bond.
I wasn't around at the time, so I wouldn't know. So, like said above, it was a rivalry between the older generation's Bond and the younger generation's Bond.
You were the not-yet generation and thus had no Bond! )
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Another interesting topic. What if Dalton had played Moore in AVTAK.
Considering how low this movie ranks, it may have been a good idea. It might have given the more dramatic scenes a bit of heft. At the same time, I think The Living Daylights was a much better intro for Dalton. It felt like a Dalton movie. AVTAK doesn't feel like a Dalton movie.
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That could have been entertaining, maybe even more entertaining than if Dalton had played Bond in AVTAK!
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Great locations
Great theme song
The crowd at the wedding reception that Bond crashes are dancing to a jazzy instrumental version of the song. Nice touch!
Cons
The main strike scene borrows heavily from Gold and the stuntmen aren't well hidden.
The writing for Bond and Stacey's relationship is all over the place. He spends almost the entire film acting as Stacey's protector, almost like a father figure. He is having sex with her in the end of the film. He has never had any sexual intentions towards her despite what he says to Tibbett.
" I don't listen to hip hop!"
* Duran Duran's theme song.
* John Barry's soundtrack
* Christopher Walken's Zorin.
* Ski PTS
* All scenes in France (specially Eiffel tower, but Chateau too).
* Grace Jones.
* San Francisco, great location.
* Golden Gate ending.
* The references to fracking (pumping water in oil fields) 25 years before they made news.
CONS:
* First and foremost, a 57 year old Bond.
* Beach Boys "California Girls" in PTS, ruining the mood of a very good, tense scene with one of the best John Barry cues ever.
* Consequence of a 57 year old Bond, the scenes with Stacey where he behaves as a grandfather as opposed to a womanizer.
* The fire engine chase, too keystone cops. Again, comedy runing a tense escape.
* Did I mention that Roger Moore was too old to play James Bond?
If Dalton had played Bond, I think AVTAK would be considered a classic. The screenplay would have been written for a more serious, young actor, so all the problems that I see in the movie would disappear.
[list=*]
[*]Mayday
Moore
Epic John Barry score
Golden Gate Bridge Fight
Snow scenes in PTS
Walken as Zorin
Clever and contemporary if not original plot
Stacey Sutton (looks and brains -{ )[/*]
[/list]
Cons
[list=*]
[*]Moore's age
Silly KGB/Ivanova sub plot
Poor MI6 Scenes
Cringeworthy end scenes
The Iceberg sub thing
Fire Engine chase and San Fran cops[/*]
[/list]
Someone with more knowledge than me can affirm (or correct me on) this.
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Pros and Cons Compendium (50 Years)
Was in the frame for AVTAK.
Record for the longest Bond to do consecutive movies. Firstly as a snub
To Connery and secondly as a thank you for OP beating NSNA.
I have nothing to base this on, it's just what I think.
I think so too. A thank you from Cubby, a snub to Connery, like "Moore did 7 official Bonds, you just did 6 and NSNA".
That would have been a disaster!
AJB007 Favorite Film Rankings
Pros and Cons Compendium (50 Years)
Be worked into a script, especially when scripts have been written with a
Particular actor for some years.
I remember reading that it wasn't until TSWLM, that Moore got a script
In his style rather than a Connery type film. So I'd say the script for TLD
Still had parts, that had Moore in mind rather than a new actor.
Interesting theory. Keep in mind that Moore already held the record for "consecutive" movies with Octopussy.
Holding the record for most Bond films overall is somewhat dubious, considering all the criticism of being too old for the part.
Honestly, I'm surprised Moore didn't retire after Moonraker.
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
Of your list of cons the only ones I can agree with are Moore's age and the fire engine chase. I admit the cops were not great, but still far better than JW Pepper.
Iceberg submarine = Awesome. Love when Bond spots the union jack hatch.
KGB plot = All bad guys must have some connection with the KGB.
MI6 scenes = Not sure what you mean, but I love seeing Bond, Q, Moneypenny, and M all dressed up at the horse races.
The briefing in M's office also describes the future plot of Goldeneye, which is pretty cool.
End scene: What's wrong with Bond showering with the lady while being discovered by Q ? Seems pretty standard formula ending.
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
Moore probably stayed as long as he did, not because he was better or more important than Connery, but because finding a replacement for Moore wasn't easy.
AJB007 Favorite Film Rankings
Pros and Cons Compendium (50 Years)
Finding a replacement wasn't easy. But my feeling is that Roger Moore only stayed on as long as he did because Sean Connery returned in Never Say Never Again. Cubby Broccoli could not risk putting a new actor up against Connery. Roger was then given A View To A Kill as a thank you for winning the "Battle of the Bonds"
Good point. It was seen as a rivalry. A new Bond would've been more risky so they hedged their bets with continuing Moore. Nowadays, people like Connery more than Moore, but from the viewpoint of the early 1980's, Moore was the one doing it and Connery was a memory in the past.
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Pros and Cons Compendium (50 Years)
In the UK at least. In the early 1980's all of Sean Connery's six EON films were being regularly broadcast on TV, whereas by that time only three of Roger Moore's were. In those days there was a five year gap between cinema release and TV release. Video recorders/tapes were not yet widely available. So Connery was anything but a memory in that regard. And I believe he was still seen as the quintessential Bond by the majority of the critics, I clearly remember headlines such as "The real Bond is back". And I would say the majority of the public also preferred Connery. Certainly in my neck of the woods, especially the women.
That's my recollection as well. -{
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#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
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#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS