Pros and Cons: Goldeneye

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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    I find Tina Turner's song quite addictive, and it just works so well after that plane stunt.

    When you hear that *dandandandan*, you know the rest of the movie will be quite the thrill ride.

    Completely agree, it really adds to the PTS. It's the same with the scene directly after involving a car-chase - it's all pieced together very well.

    Tina's song is well done, but lacks a bit of originality - it sounds epic though.
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    I find Tina Turner's song quite addictive, and it just works so well after that plane stunt.

    When you hear that *dandandandan*, you know the rest of the movie will be quite the thrill ride.

    Completely agree, it really adds to the PTS. It's the same with the scene directly after involving a car-chase - it's all pieced together very well.

    Tina's song is well done, but lacks a bit of originality - it sounds epic though.

    It is a bit reminiscent of Bassey's "Goldfinger", but that doesn't really bother me.

    If anything, I find Tina's song more relistenable than Bassey's.

    Bassey was a great singer, there's no question about that, but for some reason I don't find the song as revisitable as some of the other Bond songs.

    I think I even prefer "A View to a Kill" to it.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    I think Surrender is the Best Bond song ever. But GE was really great too.
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    What do you guys think about the fact that Bond here is very deferential to women?

    Examples:

    1) Bond stops the Aston Martin when the assistant tells him, and then tells her (if I got it right) "I've got no problems with female authority."
    2) When Natalya tells James something on the train (I don't remember it clearly), he tells her "Yes sir."

    Just something I found interesting on my latest viewing of the film.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Brosnan's Bond had some respect for women. Why he's sometimes disliked I guess...
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    edited November 2015
    Where Connery's Bond clearly manifested an outright misogyny.

    I guess in the 90's, the guys at EON were clear that Bond needed to treat women better.

    Not that I hate the Connery Era for its misogyny, as GF is one of my all-time fave Bond films.
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Brosnan's Bond had some respect for women. Why he's sometimes disliked I guess...

    At first he didn't have much respect for the new M, and it was implied the reason for that was because M was a woman. But that soon went away. He didn't get along with Natalya, but he showed her respect. He's more often accused of disrespecting women than he actually shows disrespect for them. Like when Bond tells Wai Lin to get on the back of the bike and she condescendingly responds, "Why? Are you trying to protect me?" and Bond replies, "No, I need to balance the bike."
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    edited November 2015
    I just love the action in the movie, it's a fun ride for me.

    I also find interesting how the movie flows with Campbell's direction. It just goes from one scene to another without dragging, at least for me.

    He achieved this sort of flow with CR as well. Even if I'm not a huge fan of CR, I will admit that it doesn't drag thanks to Campbell's directing.
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  • Robbo88Robbo88 Newcastle, England.Posts: 253MI6 Agent
    I love when Natalya gets one over Boris.

    "She's a moron. A second-level programmer. She works for the guidance systems. She doesn't even have access to the filing codes."

    Then he just gets so wound up because he can't break her code haha.
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    Natalya is quite possibly my fave BG.

    Love her chemistry with Brozzer's Bond.

    Also I just love Brozzer with his machine gun, just gets me hyped.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Boys with toys.
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    "Why can't you just be a good boy and die?"
    "You first. You, second. Up, up!"
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    I will say, how come we hear a gun go off when Ourumov "kills" Trevelyan, and yet Trevelyan survives?

    It occurs to me that maybe someone else fired in that scene, thus making it look like it was Ourumov who shot Trevelyan.

    I do love the way Ourumov says to Bond "You can't win" before Bond gets on the conveyor belt, fires his machine gun, and makes the drums fall on the soldiers (at least I think they're drums).
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    I will say, how come we hear a gun go off when Ourumov "kills" Trevelyan, and yet Trevelyan survives?

    It occurs to me that maybe someone else fired in that scene, thus making it look like it was Ourumov who shot Trevelyan.

    Perhaps they were in cahoots at that point? Or perhaps the bullet just didn't kill him.
    I do love the way Ourumov says to Bond "You can't win" before Bond gets on the conveyor belt, fires his machine gun, and makes the drums fall on the soldiers (at least I think they're drums).

    Yeah I love the Eric Serra cue here as well when he starts the belt.
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    And then of course he shoots all those soldiers.

    And he goes after the plane, stuff happens, and then the controversial plane stunt (which I love).

    And then the Tina Turner song starts and we get to the TS.


    Dang, I love this movie too much.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Dang, I love this movie too much.
    Yes, you do.
    We all love our favourites too much. :007)
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  • Robbo88Robbo88 Newcastle, England.Posts: 253MI6 Agent
    "You know how to use one of these?.........." :))
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  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    another pro: made a cool 3D-standee
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    GE is awesome.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    GE is awesome.
    Which makes it different from the majority of Bonds in what way?
    :D
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    Yeah, preaching to the choir eh? :))
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Yeah, preaching to the choir eh? :))
    Amen, brother! :))
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    "How can you be so cold?"
    "It's what keeps me alive."
    "No, it's what keeps you alone."
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    "No, it's what keeps you alone."

    Deep!
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    "No, it's what keeps you alone."

    Deep!
    :))
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    Goldeneye, no lace or leather
    Golden chains take me to the spot
    Goldeneye, I'll keep you forever
    It'll take forever to show you what I've got
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Great song, great movie.
    Okay, dopey last bit with Wade & the hidden commandos though, but it's all good. :))
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  • Robbo88Robbo88 Newcastle, England.Posts: 253MI6 Agent
    "Beg your pardon, forgot to knock."

    I said that once when I went into a toilet cubicle at work. I didn't realise anyone was in as the door was unlocked. :#
    Luckily the guy was zipped up and finished :)).
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  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    edited December 2015
    Pros:
    * The PTS is one of my favs
    * Aston - Ferrari race sequences
    * Tank chase

    Cons:
    * How Onatopp's character is portrayed appears even more comical now (Austinpoweresque esp. when she is shooting)
    * Natalaya's character has a role to play but in its portrayal felt as if something is missing. Many times, felt like skipping when she is on screen
    * "IBM" computers remind us that the film is over 20 years old now

    This one used to be in my top 15. However, the movie appears to have lost some of its shine. Earlier it looked brilliant throughout but now it appears to be good to great in parts. I suspect that it may drop down the list.
  • herbie123herbie123 Posts: 47MI6 Agent
    I watched the film earlier today, and I enjoyed it. It is one of the films that a couple of years ago I avoided watching, but nowadays I find it creeping up my list. Is the Bros film that I enjoy the most, and is now in my top 10
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