Is 5 enough for Craig?

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  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,406MI6 Agent
    I own Mirror Crack'd, I love Agatha Christie, Never spotted the Brosnan Cameo though. :)
    And I reckon Craig will do Bond 25. Then He will retire and hopefully we get a young, late twenties guy.
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  • Lady IceLady Ice Posts: 279MI6 Agent
    I own Mirror Crack'd, I love Agatha Christie, Never spotted the Brosnan Cameo though. :)
    And I reckon Craig will do Bond 25. Then He will retire and hopefully we get a young, late twenties guy.

    Somewhere between early to mid thirties would be ideal; he should look very much a man rather than a boy or even a young man. I think that it's hard to predict whether Craig will do another one; if they have predecessors lined up, they may be less bothered about keeping him but it may be that they use the next film to tide things over until they find a suitable actor.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    Moore is not a model to emulate when it comes to age and number of films made. He was too old at the end, particularely AVTAK. Unlike Craig, Moore didn't even do most of his stunts (such as runnning).
    Ideally Craig stops after five films, since the Blofeld story must continue.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    As long as he looks OK, then the more the merrier.
    If it ain't broke don't fix it ! :D
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  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,772MI6 Agent
    Prior to seeing Spectre, I would've been happy to see Craig continue. But now, I'm hoping they go a different direction for Bond 25 and beyond. That goes for Mendes/Newman/Temime as well.
  • DutchfingerDutchfinger Holland With LovePosts: 1,240MI6 Agent
    LPFilms wrote:
    Before I start, Craig is fantastic as Bond, and I'm glad he's signed on for a fifth film after Spectre

    Although I was always pretty certain Craig was going to do a fifth one, and to me SPECTRE never felt like his swanson, I completely missed this 'official confirmation' of him signing on for a fifth one. Can someone point me to the source of that news?
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  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Prior to seeing Spectre, I would've been happy to see Craig continue. But now, I'm hoping they go a different direction for Bond 25 and beyond. That goes for Mendes/Newman/Temime as well.

    Fair point, but Craig need not be thrown out with the Bathwater. He has proved highly capable of adopting different approaches. Personally I think it could be more risky if he leaves. I would also like to see a fitting Swansong (won't do the Madelaine pun again here ;)
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  • Lady IceLady Ice Posts: 279MI6 Agent
    As long as he looks OK, then the more the merrier.
    If it ain't broke don't fix it ! :D

    He might be in fine shape but he's looking craggy. Whilst he was never really my cup of tea, at least when he started he had a degree of sex appeal and the freshness of the cynical post-9/11 attitude but he doesn't really have that anymore. It's not like it's a role like The Doctor where it doesn't matter how old the character is. Of course they would need to be judicious about who they cast next- I'm not saying that Craig should be replaced just for the sake of it- but I'm sure there's other actors they can pick that would bring a new angle.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I know we all have different opinions, and views but for myself
    I thought Craig looked fine in SP, fit and healthy. He also looked to
    Not only own the part, but seemed to be really enjoying himself. His
    Confidence just exuded, in his swaggering walk, to his ease at the
    Quips. -{
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  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    I know we all have different opinions, and views but for myself
    I thought Craig looked fine in SP, fit and healthy. He also looked to
    Not only own the part, but seemed to be really enjoying himself. His
    Confidence just exuded, in his swaggering walk, to his ease at the
    Quips. -{

    I thought he looked particularly well in SP. He has aged much better than I feared he would and looked as fit as the proverbial Butcher's Dog.
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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,754Chief of Staff
    Lady Ice wrote:
    It's not like it's a role like The Doctor where it doesn't matter how old the character is.

    Tell Roger Moore that ! :D

    Actually - someone should have told Cubby that after FYEO !!!
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,864Chief of Staff
    I know we all have different opinions, and views but for myself
    I thought Craig looked fine in SP, fit and healthy. He also looked to
    Not only own the part, but seemed to be really enjoying himself. His
    Confidence just exuded, in his swaggering walk, to his ease at the
    Quips. -{

    I have to agree, and I'm far from his biggest fan.
  • The Wicker ManThe Wicker Man EnglandPosts: 434MI6 Agent
    I am in two minds on this one. I have enjoyed Craig's stint as Bond and physically he is certainly capable of making another Bond film, and I am sure I would enjoy it. Ticket sales suggest he is still popular. But the ending of SP seemed a fitting way for Craig to say goodbye and part of me would like to see the series take a different direction with a new actor at the helm. Oh I don't know. Thankfully it's not my decision to make.
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    I would prefer six films for him, :v in order to complete a Blofeld trilogy...but it's not a realistic expectation. Assuming he does a fifth, I expect it to be a swan song.

    The flip side of this, of course, is that it is a perfect place for actor #7, a fresh face, to be lured back from 'retirement'...but the loose end of Blofeld in custody would bug me (I acknowledge that I might be in the minority here).
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  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,772MI6 Agent
    I would prefer six films for him, :v in order to complete a Blofeld trilogy...but it's not a realistic expectation. Assuming he does a fifth, I expect it to be a swan song.

    The flip side of this, of course, is that it is a perfect place for actor #7, a fresh face, to be lured back from 'retirement'...but the loose end of Blofeld in custody would bug me (I acknowledge that I might be in the minority here).

    To echo some of the comments above, I thought Craig looked good in Spectre and I have no doubt that he could pull it off again in two or three years.

    But I can't stand the direction they took with Blofeld, and I'd just as soon move on from that missed opportunity and get a fresh take. It rubbed me the wrong way when I saw the film, and my sense of disappointment has only increased since then. So I don't want to see a Blofeld trilogy unless they decide to make Blofeld an interesting character.

    PS, has anyone noticed that when you search for any of the old Bond films on Google, they have renamed Blofeld "Oberhauser"? This only adds to my general angst....
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    I would prefer six films for him, :v in order to complete a Blofeld trilogy...but it's not a realistic expectation. Assuming he does a fifth, I expect it to be a swan song.

    The flip side of this, of course, is that it is a perfect place for actor #7, a fresh face, to be lured back from 'retirement'...but the loose end of Blofeld in custody would bug me (I acknowledge that I might be in the minority here).

    The loose ends from SP bug me too, but I don't think we need two more films. One more will do, especially if we're going by Fleming's Blofeld trilogy. Fleming's trilogy only has Blofeld battling Bond directly in two stories, so SP is already like the second of Fleming's Blofeld trilogy in that regard. CR, QOS and SF are like TB, with Blofeld behind the scenes. SP is technically the fourth of Craig's Bond films with Blofeld, and a fifth film can certainly wrap up the story.
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    PS, has anyone noticed that when you search for any of the old Bond films on Google, they have renamed Blofeld "Oberhauser"? This only adds to my general angst....

    I just searched for Blofeld and it comes up as Oberhauser, with all of the old actors said to be playing Oberhauser. That is horrible indeed! And it's simply incorrect. It looks like Google thinks Craig's Bond films are prequels and retconned the old films.
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    Blofeld is actually in all three of Fleming's trilogy. My proposition would be to have him escape and not be finished off in #25, with his #2 as the primary villain (giving Blofeld a chance to be seen pulling the strings, but not getting his hands dirty) and then adapt the YOLT novel as The Death Collector in #26. Again, just an academic exercise as I'm quite sure that 25 (if in fact he does it) will be Craig's last.
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    I can't stand the direction they took with Blofeld, and I'd just as soon move on from that missed opportunity and get a fresh take. It rubbed me the wrong way when I saw the film, and my sense of disappointment has only increased since then. So I don't want to see a Blofeld trilogy unless they decide to make Blofeld an interesting character.

    It's unfortunate that you feel that way (and to a degree I'll concede that the Blofeld backstory is subpar)...but something tells me that they did not go through that legal battle to get SPECTRE and Blofeld reacquired for a one-off. IMO, we will see him again---if not often. The only real question is how soon.
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    Blofeld is actually in all three of Fleming's trilogy. My proposition would be to have him escape and not be finished off in #25, with his #2 as the primary villain (giving Blofeld a chance to be seen pulling the strings, but not getting his hands dirty) and then adapt the YOLT novel as The Death Collector in #26. Again, just an academic exercise as I'm quite sure that 25 (if in fact he does it) will be Craig's last.

    I know he's in all three, but he's only just pulling strings in TB, which is also the case for CR, QOS and SF. It's all the same from Bond's perspective. If they finish off Blofeld in the next film, I won't feel that there hasn't been a complete Blofeld story.
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    I guess it's just more important to me that he's actually seen doing things, as in TB (even if his face was hidden). No doubt we'll all be disappointed :p
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  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,772MI6 Agent
    I can't stand the direction they took with Blofeld, and I'd just as soon move on from that missed opportunity and get a fresh take. It rubbed me the wrong way when I saw the film, and my sense of disappointment has only increased since then. So I don't want to see a Blofeld trilogy unless they decide to make Blofeld an interesting character.

    It's unfortunate that you feel that way (and to a degree I'll concede that the Blofeld backstory is subpar)...but something tells me that they did not go through that legal battle to get SPECTRE and Blofeld reacquired for a one-off. IMO, we will see him again---if not often. The only real question is how soon.

    And we SHOULD see him again. I just hope they do a better job with him in the future. The character was poorly written and Waltz did not do anything to elevate the proceedings.
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    I certainly don't blame Waltz; he did the lines he was given, and is generally brilliant IMO.
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  • sniperUKsniperUK UlsterPosts: 594MI6 Agent
    I certainly don't blame Waltz; he did the lines he was given, and is generally brilliant IMO.

    Found him totally underwhelming and about as threatening as a mouse. I have been watching DareDevil on Netflix and to me Vincent D'Onofrio as Wilson Fisk showed he would have been a perfect Blofeld , powerful, intellegent, threatening and matches , apart from the shaven head ,Flemings description from Thunderball.

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  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    I certainly don't blame Waltz; he did the lines he was given, and is generally brilliant IMO.

    Agree that he is very good but do you think he was brilliant in SP ? Also agree that he was not given much to work with, but somehow hoped that an actor of his calibre would find a way to turn base metal into gold. I got the impression in interviews that he knew it was not as good as he had hoped and seemed bored by it. I might be making too much of it, as he's a very laid back dude, but he did not 'sell it' very well.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I think Waltz is playing the long game ;) ( only a guess from me) I think he may appear
    a little more unsettled in his next outing, if there is one, of course. :)
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  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    edited December 2015
    DC's 5th could be a tricky proposition for EON. One of the hallmarks of DC's films is that they are all linked (or eventually got linked) so the 5th one would have to be a continuation of some sorts. Logically, it may have to take the following route:

    a) Blofeld escapes
    b) Swann probably gets killed
    c) DC is once more on a personal mission but this time mixed with official one as well due to Blofeld's escape
    d) Lucia can probably make a comeback
    e) Hinx can come back too. Probably would help Blofeld to break out

    On paper, the above appears to be good but on screen it could turn out to be too similar to SP which may impact the film's success at BO raising questions on the franchise (and considering polarizing opinion on SP) .... Another option would be to design a fresh mission but then it's connection with the other DC films could appear to be forced

    There was some mention of adapting IF's YOLT for DC's 5th. I have not read the book yet but from what I understand it can be used as a continuation theme

    To a certain extent many are getting tired of a) personal story lines, b) a bunch of parallels running together and eventually tying up as expected in the end, and c) agent going rogue themes . So another one for DC would be getting in to the diminishing return's territory .... SP did end with Bond driving away with Swann so that can serve as a conclusion to DC's tenure .... I would say bring DC on for the 5th if EON has something special in store. Otherwise start fresh by bringing in a new actor

    For a change, I am in no hurry to see the next Bond film. I don't want the next Bond film to be another Bond film. I want it to be a great Bond film! Take your time EON as the next step is an important one for the franchise

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  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    I don't think Madeleine should make a return (and get killed), leading Bond to get after Blofeld (who escaped). It'd be too similar to OHMSS.
    I'd like to see Blofeld (this time more menacing) and Hinx back, with a scheme on world domination, YOLT style.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Madeleine should return, but the relationship has failed
    and she's back for half of Bond's flat and DB5. ;)
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    I don't think Madeleine should make a return (and get killed), leading Bond to get after Blofeld (who escaped). It'd be too similar to OHMSS.
    I'd like to see Blofeld (this time more menacing) and Hinx back, with a scheme on world domination, YOLT style.

    I think it's okay for a Bond film to be similar to OHMSS, since it's a new universe. Killing Madeleine would give the filmmakers the opportunity to fully adapt Fleming's YOLT. Though I'm tired of Bond being depressed and going off on his own, I've come to accept that Daniel Craig's Bond is that character and not a good British agent.
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