I'm really not sure why they picked him to direct. Yes he did the excellent Once Were Warriors - but that's an independent flick that is mostly known only in my country. Perhaps at the time, after doing a Sopranos episode as well and a few B-grade action flicks he had a bit of "zing" about him...
After Mendes' run is over, will EON only go with more accomplished directors?
I sometimes wonder if the 'Carry On' team got really drunk and wrote the script for DAD.
"I don't like **** fights" - I can just picture Kenneth Williams saying "ooh Madonna behave". Or "I see you handle your weapon well" - "I have been known to keep my tip up" deserves a Sid James cackle. The whole scene with Bond and Jinx at the end "Don't pull it out, I'm not finished with it yet". "See it's a perfect fit". "Uh-hm leave it in" etc sounds like a terrible version of Carry on Camping.
DAD lacks class and Bond films should always have class. -{
Well, at least this movie, so many years on, is still stirring emotions. I think it's destined to go the way of OHMSS and it will be more and more appreciated as the time goes by.
The whole scene with Bond and Jinx at the end "Don't pull it out, I'm not finished with it yet". "See it's a perfect fit". "Uh-hm leave it in" etc sounds like a terrible version of Carry on Camping.
DAD lacks class and Bond films should always have class. -{
That ending was truely awful... I'm willing to forgive a lot and keep watching but DAD just never seems to let up. All that cheesy dialog over a diamond being placed in her bellybutton? C'mon that doesn't even make sense to begin with. And then the icing on the cake is the most generic cheesy line ever "You're so good when you're bad."
Embarrasing. Add that to the VR sequence with Moneypenny and you are in for a very poor end to a Bond film.
At least seeing the Ferraris drop next to the mud huts was funny.
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I sometimes wonder if the 'Carry On' team got really drunk and wrote the script for DAD.
"I don't like **** fights" - I can just picture Kenneth Williams saying "ooh Madonna behave". Or "I see you handle your weapon well" - "I have been known to keep my tip up" deserves a Sid James cackle. The whole scene with Bond and Jinx at the end "Don't pull it out, I'm not finished with it yet". "See it's a perfect fit". "Uh-hm leave it in" etc sounds like a terrible version of Carry on Camping.
DAD lacks class and Bond films should always have class. -{
Very much agreed on that aspect of DAD. It's just really smutty dialogue; nothing more clever than that is there.
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
I find DAD fascinating. On one side I truly believe it is a fun film, and each time I do watch it (not often), I really enjoy myself. On the other side I just often find myself thinking about certain aspects of the film and go "why?".
I'd love to hear an inside account of why certain things with DAD went the way they did. Did Tamahori have that much control that certain elements of the film was his choice? Or did they just think that such over-the-top lampooning of the series was something that people would really enjoy?
Was it the case at the time movies like Charlie's Angels, XXX and action movies with female leads so successful they couldn't resist making a film which descended into what it was?
I'd love to hear an inside account of why certain things with DAD went the way they did. Did Tamahori have that much control that certain elements of the film was his choice? Or did they just think that such over-the-top lampooning of the series was something that people would really enjoy?
Watch the special features! The making-of documentaries are fascinating. They even interview the ice-surfing CGI team.
I find DAD fascinating. On one side I truly believe it is a fun film, and each time I do watch it (not often), I really enjoy myself. On the other side I just often find myself thinking about certain aspects of the film and go "why?".
I'd love to hear an inside account of why certain things with DAD went the way they did. Did Tamahori have that much control that certain elements of the film was his choice? Or did they just think that such over-the-top lampooning of the series was something that people would really enjoy?
Was it the case at the time movies like Charlie's Angels, XXX and action movies with female leads so successful they couldn't resist making a film which descended into what it was?
I want answers!
I agree with you. Did Babs and Mickey G just give up? We know Purvis and Wade gave up screenwriting duties but we need to know how much
Why couldn't Babs put her foot down and say "no" to any invisible car? There has to be a good record of what went wrong somewhere.
They have done "warts 'an all" documentaries for LTK and OHMSS
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Ok so today my Bond marathon continues as I rewatched DAD.
Not really sure where to start with this. The PTS I enjoyed thoroughly and imo it is in the top four PTS of the entire series. The surfing scenes are awesome.
The actual main story of conflict diamonds is a very good one, based in reality, and the film Blood Diamond is one of my favourite films. I liked the premise of Bond being captured and tortured, although in reality he would have been about 4 stones lighter than what Brosnan actually was.
Again the story features Bond on the outside and disavowed. As others have said the first 90 minutes of the film are classic Bond.
The car chase on the ice is one of the best to feauture in the entire series.
Now as I look back 15 years after it's release I can actually forgive the "Invisible car" as apparently the technology for this is based in fact. I think the uk BBC motoring magazine program "Top gear" actually recreated an invisible car of sorts.
The conflict with North Korea is every bit as prelavent today as it was back in 2002.
So what lets this film down, well imo it's all down to **** CGI. I understand CGI has to be used to a certain extent, but could they not have paid a stuntwomen to dive backwards off a cliff. The whole Wind surfing scene is truely awful. Then there is the plane breaking up.
I read in an interview with Cubby many years ago, where he stated that if a stunt couldn't be done for real then it had no place in a Bond movie. Never mind Fleming I bet Cubby was turning in his grave.
So overall it's a Bond film and I did enjoy watching it again. I have now learnt to ignore the **** CGI and accept it for what it is. A bond movie, that sits 24th or bottom of the pile imo.
I haven't even mentioned Madonna or the utter crap title song. I was quite exited when it was announced she would be doing the title song, as she had done one for the Austin Powers films that was very 1960's with a really catchy tune.
Did I say the CGIis terrible, if I didn't, then I just want to make the point the CGI is terrible.
I'm one of those who consider it the worst Bond movie ever and the only Bond movie I can't enjoy in some way. In fact it's one of only two movies I've ever walked out of in the theater, the other being Van Helsing. What makes it so irritating to me is that it starts off pretty strong, it always fools me into thinking I might actually enjoy it but usually around the time Bond infiltrates the gene therapy place in Cuba it all falls apart and I wonder how got myself in this situation again. But I enjoy the beginning and the whole deal with Bond being captured. I thought Pierce was great as always, but as always (except GoldenEye) it seems like he was wasted in this movie.
There certainly are too many nods to the past, but overt, garish things like this seemed to be in vogue in the early 00s with films like Charlie's Angels, XXX, Italian Job etc. which all were quite kitsch, heavy on poor CGI and badly acted.
Jinx for me is the single worst thing about the film. A horribly written character. Zero chemistry between the two actors.
Jinx is the worst Bond girl honestly. Halle Berry is given some terrible dialogue, and the character, whilst she's supposed to be this Bond equal, strong agent, she spends most of the movie captured, and doing very little. It's one of those many examples of trying too hard to make a female character strong and independent; which is a shame, considering Brosnan's first two Bond girls, Natalya and Wai Lin, were effortlessly excellent characters.
At the time there was talk about a Jinx Jordan series outside of James Bond. Knowing this makes a bit more sense because it feels that they tried to make Jinx a Bond girl (horrible slow-mo water scene*) but at the same time sassy and independent ("I think I got the thrust of it", "bitch"). It just results in a mess.
The fight between Jinx and Frost at the end is pretty epic, but it doesn't belong in a Bond film.
* Nice to look at, but like the slow-mo running scene in LTK
Indeed.Jinx having more screen time just has more opportunity to stink up that place. Boy did DAD have a lot to contend with. On the plus side is the Sword fight,the PTS and of course Rosamund Pike.
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
I may represent a minority here, but I do like Jinx. Certainly not a perfect character, but better than many others, and all Bond girsl without exception that came after her.
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I'm really not sure why they picked him to direct. Yes he did the excellent Once Were Warriors - but that's an independent flick that is mostly known only in my country. Perhaps at the time, after doing a Sopranos episode as well and a few B-grade action flicks he had a bit of "zing" about him...
After Mendes' run is over, will EON only go with more accomplished directors?
"Better make that two."
I am stunned how he got the gig. All I can say is that on one of the documentaries he stated "cgi. Its the future" and flooded the film with it.
As we found out live action is the future. Not cgi.
"I don't like **** fights" - I can just picture Kenneth Williams saying "ooh Madonna behave". Or "I see you handle your weapon well" - "I have been known to keep my tip up" deserves a Sid James cackle. The whole scene with Bond and Jinx at the end "Don't pull it out, I'm not finished with it yet". "See it's a perfect fit". "Uh-hm leave it in" etc sounds like a terrible version of Carry on Camping.
DAD lacks class and Bond films should always have class. -{
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That ending was truely awful... I'm willing to forgive a lot and keep watching but DAD just never seems to let up. All that cheesy dialog over a diamond being placed in her bellybutton? C'mon that doesn't even make sense to begin with. And then the icing on the cake is the most generic cheesy line ever "You're so good when you're bad."
Embarrasing. Add that to the VR sequence with Moneypenny and you are in for a very poor end to a Bond film.
At least seeing the Ferraris drop next to the mud huts was funny.
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Very much agreed on that aspect of DAD. It's just really smutty dialogue; nothing more clever than that is there.
I'd love to hear an inside account of why certain things with DAD went the way they did. Did Tamahori have that much control that certain elements of the film was his choice? Or did they just think that such over-the-top lampooning of the series was something that people would really enjoy?
Was it the case at the time movies like Charlie's Angels, XXX and action movies with female leads so successful they couldn't resist making a film which descended into what it was?
I want answers!
"Better make that two."
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Watch the special features! The making-of documentaries are fascinating. They even interview the ice-surfing CGI team.
http://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/41335/die-another-day-from-script-to-screen/
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I agree with you. Did Babs and Mickey G just give up? We know Purvis and Wade gave up screenwriting duties but we need to know how much
Why couldn't Babs put her foot down and say "no" to any invisible car? There has to be a good record of what went wrong somewhere.
They have done "warts 'an all" documentaries for LTK and OHMSS
Maybe the will at some point for DAD in retrospect.
"Better make that two."
I think it was the Everything or Nothing documentary where Pierce laughs at the ice-surfing CGI in hindsight.
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Thanks for the reminder, it was terrific
Not really sure where to start with this. The PTS I enjoyed thoroughly and imo it is in the top four PTS of the entire series. The surfing scenes are awesome.
The actual main story of conflict diamonds is a very good one, based in reality, and the film Blood Diamond is one of my favourite films. I liked the premise of Bond being captured and tortured, although in reality he would have been about 4 stones lighter than what Brosnan actually was.
Again the story features Bond on the outside and disavowed. As others have said the first 90 minutes of the film are classic Bond.
The car chase on the ice is one of the best to feauture in the entire series.
Now as I look back 15 years after it's release I can actually forgive the "Invisible car" as apparently the technology for this is based in fact. I think the uk BBC motoring magazine program "Top gear" actually recreated an invisible car of sorts.
The conflict with North Korea is every bit as prelavent today as it was back in 2002.
So what lets this film down, well imo it's all down to **** CGI. I understand CGI has to be used to a certain extent, but could they not have paid a stuntwomen to dive backwards off a cliff. The whole Wind surfing scene is truely awful. Then there is the plane breaking up.
I read in an interview with Cubby many years ago, where he stated that if a stunt couldn't be done for real then it had no place in a Bond movie. Never mind Fleming I bet Cubby was turning in his grave.
So overall it's a Bond film and I did enjoy watching it again. I have now learnt to ignore the **** CGI and accept it for what it is. A bond movie, that sits 24th or bottom of the pile imo.
I haven't even mentioned Madonna or the utter crap title song. I was quite exited when it was announced she would be doing the title song, as she had done one for the Austin Powers films that was very 1960's with a really catchy tune.
Did I say the CGIis terrible, if I didn't, then I just want to make the point the CGI is terrible.
"Do you expect me to talk? "No Mister Bond I expect you to die"
I'll start with the cons:
Graves winding up being just a boy still seeking his father's approval.
The theme song.
I understand what people say about the CGI, but it's not an issue for me.
20th film/40th Ann. nods
Pros:
The chase scenes (Hovercraft, Iceland)
Sword fight
20th film/40th Ann. nods. The reason I list this in both is because while I like the nods to the older films, I think there are a few too many.
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Jinx for me is the single worst thing about the film. A horribly written character. Zero chemistry between the two actors.
"Better make that two."
As is the Madonna cameo.
At the time there was talk about a Jinx Jordan series outside of James Bond. Knowing this makes a bit more sense because it feels that they tried to make Jinx a Bond girl (horrible slow-mo water scene*) but at the same time sassy and independent ("I think I got the thrust of it", "bitch"). It just results in a mess.
The fight between Jinx and Frost at the end is pretty epic, but it doesn't belong in a Bond film.
* Nice to look at, but like the slow-mo running scene in LTK
"Better make that two."
but her bikini a highlight :v
Indeed.Jinx having more screen time just has more opportunity to stink up that place. Boy did DAD have a lot to contend with. On the plus side is the Sword fight,the PTS and of course Rosamund Pike.
I cringed when she represented the Bond series in the Academy Awards a few years back.
Truly the absolute worst Bond girl by a wide margin.
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