I'm convinced now having seen the film and then looking closely at the TF Bond capsule (above) that the Snowdons are Havana. I have the 05B black version and I'm happy with them however - and I'll maybe duck for cover here! There's been so much debate - Bond defo wears the Havana.
At Tom Ford London store yesterday trying on Spectre kit with some great friends....
I wonder why they didn't just use the existing Windsor DJ which has a more traditional British appearance (dual vents, one button, lower button stance, grosgrain revers). Did the TF shop have that one on display or just the SPECTRE one?
At Tom Ford London store yesterday trying on Spectre kit with some great friends....
I wonder why they didn't just use the existing Windsor DJ which has a more traditional British appearance (dual vents, one button, lower button stance, grosgrain revers). Did the TF shop have that one on display or just the SPECTRE one?
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I always thought a dinner jacket should have no vents.
At Tom Ford London store yesterday trying on Spectre kit with some great friends....
I wonder why they didn't just use the existing Windsor DJ which has a more traditional British appearance (dual vents, one button, lower button stance, grosgrain revers). Did the TF shop have that one on display or just the SPECTRE one?
The same grosgrain revers are on this one, a very non-traditional details. That was the most disappointing thing about it to me when I saw it in person. On film they aren't so noticeable, but they look really tacky in person. At least single vent can be sewn shut. I thought the regular Windsor dinner jacket also has two buttons? I was pretty sure I saw that in Neiman Marcus in the spring, and the only difference with this one is the fit.
At Tom Ford London store yesterday trying on Spectre kit with some great friends....
I wonder why they didn't just use the existing Windsor DJ which has a more traditional British appearance (dual vents, one button, lower button stance, grosgrain revers). Did the TF shop have that one on display or just the SPECTRE one?
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I always thought a dinner jacket should have no vents.
Double vents have been quite acceptable in the past 50 years. They're fairly common for Savile Row dinner jackets.
At Tom Ford London store yesterday trying on Spectre kit with some great friends....
I wonder why they didn't just use the existing Windsor DJ which has a more traditional British appearance (dual vents, one button, lower button stance, grosgrain revers). Did the TF shop have that one on display or just the SPECTRE one?
The same grosgrain revers are on this one, a very non-traditional details. That was the most disappointing thing about it to me when I saw it in person. On film they aren't so noticeable, but they look really tacky in person. At least single vent can be sewn shut.
Well yes the grosgrain on ivory is a bit over-the-top, but if you're already wearing something with those shoulders and those condor-like lapels, why not go all out?
FWIW Flusser expresses no overt preference between satin and grosgrain in his two books, but the lapels in the illustrations (admittedly of dark jackets, not ivory) from "Clothes And The Man" are grosgrain.
I just had a midnight blue tuxedo done up with matching grosgrain lapels, and the effect is the opposite of what your website observes about the Skyfall shawl jacket: the lapels show up ever-so-slightly darker than the body - perfect!
I thought the regular Windsor dinner jacket also has two buttons? I was pretty sure I saw that in Neiman Marcus in the spring, and the only difference with this one is the fit.
Here's the black version on the Bergdorf Goodman website: one button, two vents. It matches the ivory one I saw in person late-August at the Bergdorf Men's Shop on Fifth Avenue (the website is selling the full outfit; the store sells jackets and trousers separately).
Well yes the grosgrain on ivory is a bit over-the-top, but if you're already wearing something with those shoulders and those condor-like lapels, why not go all out?
FWIW Flusser expresses no overt preference between satin and grosgrain in his two books, but the lapels in the illustrations (admittedly of dark jackets, not ivory) from "Clothes And The Man" are grosgrain.
The shoulders and lapel width are bold and classic, whilst the grosgrain lapels are flashy and a modern travesty. The shoulders aren't actually that bold (more like a typical Savile Row shoulder) and the lapels are wide, but they could be wider. If you're going all out with the classic 1940s style, why ruin it with silk trimmings?
Satin or grosgrain are equal, but they only belong on black and midnight blue jackets. You don't see any silk trimmings on the light dinner jackets in Flusser's books. I don't recall if Clothes And The Man (I'm not home right now) has any illustrations of light dinner jackets, but I know Dressing the Man does.
I have seen both black and white Windsor dinner jackets with two buttons, so it's nice to see it has been corrected to one button.
Is it better to go to self ridges or the TF shop to pick up the spectre suits
Id personally always recommend going to the TF Store on Sloane St rather than go anywhere near Selfirdges but thats going from personal experances. The level of service at the TF also by far exceeds that of Selfridges.
Also, did anyone else pick up the sky pant? I found my size at Beverly Hills today and snagged it immediately. Tried hard to get it tailored as slim as humanly possible given the double pleat.
As a general question, do you guys see this pant as wearable with anything besides the extreme-style Solden boots?
Love to wear screen accurate stuff, but - while the cardigan, polos, suits, etc. look fine in the real world - I'm wondering how you guys think this pant might look with the N. Peal sweater/TF Solden jacket and TF oxfords/loafers. Might just return and use $$$ towards another suit but I'm torn...
I am sorry to say I think the pants are horrible (my opinion) and outside of sledding I couldn't imagine wearing them...I cancelled mine.
Yeah I've been waffling on it since getting it measured up last night. Going to be tough to get wear unless I'm in Tahoe/Aspen wearing the boots as well.
Think I'm going to switch to either of the following from A-W 2015 to try to come as close as possible to the poster pant
Maybe TF didn't make the poster pant, but I'll be happy if I get something pretty close considering the details like the frogmouth pocket and fit through the leg match perfectly.
Did you end up keeping the Sky pants? If so, if you don't mind terribly my asking; was it possible for your tailor to slim down the pants to make them more wearable?
I'm on the fence on whether to keep mine as they are absolutely beautiful pants (especially with the matching jacket) but the need to be slimmed down over the thighs.
I am sorry to say I think the pants are horrible (my opinion) and outside of sledding I couldn't imagine wearing them...I cancelled mine.
Yeah I've been waffling on it since getting it measured up last night. Going to be tough to get wear unless I'm in Tahoe/Aspen wearing the boots as well.
Think I'm going to switch to either of the following from A-W 2015 to try to come as close as possible to the poster pant
Maybe TF didn't make the poster pant, but I'll be happy if I get something pretty close considering the details like the frogmouth pocket and fit through the leg match perfectly.
Did you end up keeping the Sky pants? If so, if you don't mind terribly my asking; was it possible for your tailor to slim down the pants to make them more wearable?
I'm on the fence on whether to keep mine as they are absolutely beautiful pants (especially with the matching jacket) but the need to be slimmed down over the thighs.
I got these navy Moncler pants as an alternative to the Sky pants. They are beautiful and comfortable, as well as inexpensive by comparison to the Tom Ford. They are also made of wool and have stirrups, but unlike the Sky pants these have a slim cut:
I am sorry to say I think the pants are horrible (my opinion) and outside of sledding I couldn't imagine wearing them...I cancelled mine.
Yeah I've been waffling on it since getting it measured up last night. Going to be tough to get wear unless I'm in Tahoe/Aspen wearing the boots as well.
Think I'm going to switch to either of the following from A-W 2015 to try to come as close as possible to the poster pant
Maybe TF didn't make the poster pant, but I'll be happy if I get something pretty close considering the details like the frogmouth pocket and fit through the leg match perfectly.
Did you end up keeping the Sky pants? If so, if you don't mind terribly my asking; was it possible for your tailor to slim down the pants to make them more wearable?
I'm on the fence on whether to keep mine as they are absolutely beautiful pants (especially with the matching jacket) but the need to be slimmed down over the thighs.
Nope, returned. We had them pinned up A LOT at the TF store because I asked for slimmer, slimmer, slimmer, but they're honestly not meant to be slim fit and are intended to be more 80's ski style/big enough through the thigh, etc. to fight bad guys on the side of a mountain.
Yeah I've been waffling on it since getting it measured up last night. Going to be tough to get wear unless I'm in Tahoe/Aspen wearing the boots as well.
Think I'm going to switch to either of the following from A-W 2015 to try to come as close as possible to the poster pant
Maybe TF didn't make the poster pant, but I'll be happy if I get something pretty close considering the details like the frogmouth pocket and fit through the leg match perfectly.
Did you end up keeping the Sky pants? If so, if you don't mind terribly my asking; was it possible for your tailor to slim down the pants to make them more wearable?
I'm on the fence on whether to keep mine as they are absolutely beautiful pants (especially with the matching jacket) but the need to be slimmed down over the thighs.
I got these navy Moncler pants as an alternative to the Sky pants. They are beautiful and comfortable, as well as inexpensive by comparison to the Tom Ford. They are also made of wool and have stirrups, but unlike the Sky pants these have a slim cut:
Yeah I've been waffling on it since getting it measured up last night. Going to be tough to get wear unless I'm in Tahoe/Aspen wearing the boots as well.
Think I'm going to switch to either of the following from A-W 2015 to try to come as close as possible to the poster pant
Maybe TF didn't make the poster pant, but I'll be happy if I get something pretty close considering the details like the frogmouth pocket and fit through the leg match perfectly.
Did you end up keeping the Sky pants? If so, if you don't mind terribly my asking; was it possible for your tailor to slim down the pants to make them more wearable?
I'm on the fence on whether to keep mine as they are absolutely beautiful pants (especially with the matching jacket) but the need to be slimmed down over the thighs.
Nope, returned. We had them pinned up A LOT at the TF store because I asked for slimmer, slimmer, slimmer, but they're honestly not meant to be slim fit and are intended to be more 80's ski style/big enough through the thigh, etc. to fight bad guys on the side of a mountain.
Did you end up keeping the Sky pants? If so, if you don't mind terribly my asking; was it possible for your tailor to slim down the pants to make them more wearable?
I'm on the fence on whether to keep mine as they are absolutely beautiful pants (especially with the matching jacket) but the need to be slimmed down over the thighs.
I got these navy Moncler pants as an alternative to the Sky pants. They are beautiful and comfortable, as well as inexpensive by comparison to the Tom Ford. They are also made of wool and have stirrups, but unlike the Sky pants these have a slim cut:
Is it better to go to self ridges or the TF shop to pick up the spectre suits
Id personally always recommend going to the TF Store on Sloane St rather than go anywhere near Selfirdges but thats going from personal experances. The level of service at the TF also by far exceeds that of Selfridges.
Agree totally, or you can buy the suit and get it adjust at Sloane Street. Go and see an Italian chap called Dario at Sloane St, tell him Phil send you and he will look after you )
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love it though
Yup. Here is the number (702) 740-2945) .
1. CR. 2. TSWLM. 3. LTK. 4. GF. 5. SF.
For us poor Yanks who won't see the film for two more weeks, what other pieces got significant screen time?
The TF blouson is used enough to justify owning it. The jackets (Matchless / JV) also, bit similar to SF really. Each gets its slot!
Polo is seen quite a bit (navy only)....
And of course the mystery Mr White jacket???
1. CR. 2. TSWLM. 3. LTK. 4. GF. 5. SF.
Wow, the fit looks great even just off the rack before tailoring! Did you buy it?
Looks pretty good, but the shoulders aren't right, and that cannot be fixed. Too much muscle!
Haha.
The 48 is perfect on me, but I don't have your build.
http://www.tomford.com/s/tomford/s-s-mens-bond-2016/
IMHO of course.
G
I wonder why they didn't just use the existing Windsor DJ which has a more traditional British appearance (dual vents, one button, lower button stance, grosgrain revers). Did the TF shop have that one on display or just the SPECTRE one?
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I always thought a dinner jacket should have no vents.
The same grosgrain revers are on this one, a very non-traditional details. That was the most disappointing thing about it to me when I saw it in person. On film they aren't so noticeable, but they look really tacky in person. At least single vent can be sewn shut. I thought the regular Windsor dinner jacket also has two buttons? I was pretty sure I saw that in Neiman Marcus in the spring, and the only difference with this one is the fit.
Double vents have been quite acceptable in the past 50 years. They're fairly common for Savile Row dinner jackets.
Well yes the grosgrain on ivory is a bit over-the-top, but if you're already wearing something with those shoulders and those condor-like lapels, why not go all out?
FWIW Flusser expresses no overt preference between satin and grosgrain in his two books, but the lapels in the illustrations (admittedly of dark jackets, not ivory) from "Clothes And The Man" are grosgrain.
I just had a midnight blue tuxedo done up with matching grosgrain lapels, and the effect is the opposite of what your website observes about the Skyfall shawl jacket: the lapels show up ever-so-slightly darker than the body - perfect!
Here's the black version on the Bergdorf Goodman website: one button, two vents. It matches the ivory one I saw in person late-August at the Bergdorf Men's Shop on Fifth Avenue (the website is selling the full outfit; the store sells jackets and trousers separately).
http://www.bergdorfgoodman.com/TOM-FORD-Windsor-Base-Peak-Lapel-Tuxedo-Black/prod113950101/p.prod?eVar4=You%20May%20Also%20Like
The shoulders and lapel width are bold and classic, whilst the grosgrain lapels are flashy and a modern travesty. The shoulders aren't actually that bold (more like a typical Savile Row shoulder) and the lapels are wide, but they could be wider. If you're going all out with the classic 1940s style, why ruin it with silk trimmings?
Satin or grosgrain are equal, but they only belong on black and midnight blue jackets. You don't see any silk trimmings on the light dinner jackets in Flusser's books. I don't recall if Clothes And The Man (I'm not home right now) has any illustrations of light dinner jackets, but I know Dressing the Man does.
I have seen both black and white Windsor dinner jackets with two buttons, so it's nice to see it has been corrected to one button.
I love the white tux jacket, but I just worry its colour would turn to yellow.....
Thx
Id personally always recommend going to the TF Store on Sloane St rather than go anywhere near Selfirdges but thats going from personal experances. The level of service at the TF also by far exceeds that of Selfridges.
Did you end up keeping the Sky pants? If so, if you don't mind terribly my asking; was it possible for your tailor to slim down the pants to make them more wearable?
I'm on the fence on whether to keep mine as they are absolutely beautiful pants (especially with the matching jacket) but the need to be slimmed down over the thighs.
I got these navy Moncler pants as an alternative to the Sky pants. They are beautiful and comfortable, as well as inexpensive by comparison to the Tom Ford. They are also made of wool and have stirrups, but unlike the Sky pants these have a slim cut:
http://www.barneys.com/moncler-brushed-twill-stirrup-pants-503933593.html
Those really do have a great slim fit!
Ha ha too funny!! Thanks!
I haven't seen the Sky Pants in person but the navy color of the Moncler pants is a perfect match with the navy front of the Solden blouson.
Agree totally, or you can buy the suit and get it adjust at Sloane Street. Go and see an Italian chap called Dario at Sloane St, tell him Phil send you and he will look after you