I'm a hard-core, die-hard Bond fan and I loved QoS very much and consider it a superior film to SF and a worthy follow-up to CR. I find it intrresting how some here think that Bond purists would tend to dislike it considering how the whole reboot was a departure from the staight and narrow of what made (makes) Bond, Bond.
Agreed! I don't get all the fuss about Skyfall showing us Bond's emotions and making us understand him as a person. Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace establish him as a person and show his emotional side. Quantum of Solace gives a big insight into Bond's character and his emotions but it's integrated into the narrative and Craig's performance. Unfortunately the long gap between QoS and Skyfall meant that QoS got eaten up by Skyfall
I don't agree that every Bond actor should have a bad movie. If anything, I would like for Craig to have his final film be great (I'm of the opinion that Quantum is a good film) since it would solidify the series and it would allow for one Bond to have a complete and 100% decent arc.
That's the problem that has existed with the previous Bonds. With Connery, he had an arc similar to Craig's in that they where connected by a main threat. However, all of that ends in disappointment with Diamonds, where Connery is so bored out of his mind, and Blofeld is turned into a clown of who he once was, that it brings down the effort of the previous films.
With A View to a Kill it's less of an issue because the movies are more episodic in nature. Nevertheless, Roger Moore's tenure would have ended far better if Octopussy would have been his final film.
Die Another Day has basically become the reason why some folks don't like Brosnan, so in reality, didn't he deserve a better outing?
I think that having a bad Bond film hurts more than helps the franchise
Movies like Moonraker or Octopussy, even Die Another Day don't seem to be particularly popular here, but at least we talk about them and remember what they were about. QoS must be the most forgettable Bon film so far!
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Maybe for you...but the general cinema-going public loved it - hence the massive box-office figures...I think you'll find there is a healthy respect for QoS -{
Healthy respect for QoS? The reception has been average at best. Part of the problem, of course, is its being a “sequel”. Which is why we would not want Spectre to be too much of a sequel to Skyfall! Of course, an average Bond movie is still somewhat better than an average average movie!
Healthy respect for QoS? The reception has been average at best. Part of the problem, of course, is its being a “sequel”. Which is why we would not want Spectre to be too much of a sequel to Skyfall! Of course, an average Bond movie is still somewhat better than an average average movie!
not to forget that the average movie-goer maybe doesn't know the story behind Vesper.
"You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
Maybe for you...but the general cinema-going public loved it - hence the massive box-office figures...I think you'll find there is a healthy respect for QoS -{
That doesn't mean it's still in their minds. The probably remember Casino Royale much better.
Healthy respect for QoS? The reception has been average at best. Part of the problem, of course, is its being a “sequel”. Which is why we would not want Spectre to be too much of a sequel to Skyfall! Of course, an average Bond movie is still somewhat better than an average average movie!
not to forget that the average movie-goer maybe doesn't know the story behind Vesper.
I don't think that's necessarily an issue; we barely see Leiter in Licence to Kill but we can see that they're friends so it feels like enough of a motivate for Bond to avenge the attack. In Quantum of Solace, although the average moviegoer might not know who Vesper is, we can see that Vesper was somebody that Bond loved and that he wanted vengeance for. Although there is obviously added meaning for those who've watched Casino Royale, I think there's enough there to still get people's attention.
Healthy respect for QoS? The reception has been average at best. Part of the problem, of course, is its being a “sequel”. Which is why we would not want Spectre to be too much of a sequel to Skyfall! Of course, an average Bond movie is still somewhat better than an average average movie!
not to forget that the average movie-goer maybe doesn't know the story behind Vesper.
I don't think that's necessarily an issue; we barely see Leiter in Licence to Kill but we can see that they're friends so it feels like enough of a motivate for Bond to avenge the attack. In Quantum of Solace, although the average moviegoer might not know who Vesper is, we can see that Vesper was somebody that Bond loved and that he wanted vengeance for. Although there is obviously added meaning for those who've watched Casino Royale, I think there's enough there to still get people's attention.
of course the film works without having seen CR, but the average person maybe doesn't understand why Bond feels betrayed of her.
"You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
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Agreed! I don't get all the fuss about Skyfall showing us Bond's emotions and making us understand him as a person. Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace establish him as a person and show his emotional side. Quantum of Solace gives a big insight into Bond's character and his emotions but it's integrated into the narrative and Craig's performance. Unfortunately the long gap between QoS and Skyfall meant that QoS got eaten up by Skyfall
That's the problem that has existed with the previous Bonds. With Connery, he had an arc similar to Craig's in that they where connected by a main threat. However, all of that ends in disappointment with Diamonds, where Connery is so bored out of his mind, and Blofeld is turned into a clown of who he once was, that it brings down the effort of the previous films.
With A View to a Kill it's less of an issue because the movies are more episodic in nature. Nevertheless, Roger Moore's tenure would have ended far better if Octopussy would have been his final film.
Die Another Day has basically become the reason why some folks don't like Brosnan, so in reality, didn't he deserve a better outing?
I think that having a bad Bond film hurts more than helps the franchise
Maybe for you...but the general cinema-going public loved it - hence the massive box-office figures...I think you'll find there is a healthy respect for QoS -{
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
not to forget that the average movie-goer maybe doesn't know the story behind Vesper.
as it's not a Bond film !
seriously, who wishes for a bad (Bond-)movie ?:)
That doesn't mean it's still in their minds. The probably remember Casino Royale much better.
I don't think that's necessarily an issue; we barely see Leiter in Licence to Kill but we can see that they're friends so it feels like enough of a motivate for Bond to avenge the attack. In Quantum of Solace, although the average moviegoer might not know who Vesper is, we can see that Vesper was somebody that Bond loved and that he wanted vengeance for. Although there is obviously added meaning for those who've watched Casino Royale, I think there's enough there to still get people's attention.