Flawless Bond Movie?

Matt S · September 2015

chrisisall wrote:

Matt S wrote:

chrisisall wrote:

To all you who think that OHMSS is flawless,
ummm... okay, I can see why you'd say so... -{

It's one of the greatest Bond films, but it has quite a few flaws. It's just that there's enough good stuff that the flaws can't ruin the movie.

In that case I'd put TLD in the same category. -{

I can find more flaw with OHMSS.

chrisisall · September 2015

For fun, a 'flawlessness' tier ranking...

Basically flawless-
DN
FRWL
GF
TB
OHMSS
TSWLM
TLD
LTK
CR
Sort of flawless-
LALD
FYEO
QOS
Flawed-
YOLT
TMWTGG
OP
AVTAK
GE
TND
TWINE
SF
So flawed-
DAF
MR
DAD

Hmmm?

AlphaOmegaSin · September 2015

chrisisall wrote:

Matt S wrote:

chrisisall wrote:

To all you who think that OHMSS is flawless,
ummm... okay, I can see why you'd say so... -{

It's one of the greatest Bond films, but it has quite a few flaws. It's just that there's enough good stuff that the flaws can't ruin the movie.

In that case I'd put TLD in the same category. -{

1+

TLD did everything very near to perfection in my View -{

chrisisall · September 2015

AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

TLD did everything very near to perfection in my View -{

IMHO it was and ever shall be the pinnacle of the Bond franchise.
But that just may be me (us).

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Bondage007 · September 2015

TLD has a serious plot mixed with some brilliant OTTness (milk bottle and cello case) great action (cargo net fight at the end) and a brilliant score. Damn near perfect. The main issue is while Dalton is great his one liners are very uncomfortably delivered

HatThrowingHenchman · September 2015

eventhough it isn't my favourite film, I'd have to say Goldfinger.
It's the movie that established the formula that all future installments followed (or tried to).

blame_thatcher · September 2015

From Russia with Love, obviously.

Firemass · September 2015

In the spirit of this thread, I watched OHMSS and TLD this week.

OHMSS is definitely not flawless, for example the huge plot hole blunder of Bond "not" getting his professional details right.

TLD was even better than I remembered. I've often criticized Moneypenny, Felix Leiter, and the second half being weaker than the first. However, last night none of that seemed to matter. I just really enjoyed it start to finish.

Fleming's short stories hold up quite well on film:

Property of a Lady is a flawless part of Octopussy.
Risico is a flawless part of FYEO.
TLD is a flawless part of TLD. In fact, I would rank most of TLD as flawless with just a few minor grips. (Why does Bond shoot over the heads of all 3 main villains when he surprises them on the cargo plane???Why waste all ppk ammo on the tiny piece of clear body armour???)

Overall, I would rank Goldfinger and TSWLM as the most flawless Bond films. They are both perfect examples of the series at its absolute finest. Moonraker comes very close, except for Jaws flapping his wings in the PTS and 7up product placement. The neat thing about MR is I enjoy each scene immensely, while eagerly looking forward to the next.

DR NO-ah · September 2015

To me there is hands down no flawless Bond film. I love the movies so much but I can definitely pick apart aspects of even my favourite ones. However it is these imperfections that are often part of what I love about the series and relish that these films are not "perfect."

chrisisall · September 2015

DR NO-ah wrote:

However it is these imperfections that are often part of what I love about the series and relish that these films are not "perfect."

Exactly! The Bond novels upon which the film franchise was based are basically the stuff of pulp fiction- to expect a Bond film to hit the heights of The Godfather or Lawrence Of Arabia is silly. In fact, YOLT had gobs of money thrown at it, a big name writer, AND the cinematographer FROM Lawrence Of Arabia, and it's still just a big, giant B-movie. And I think Bond movies work best as sheer entertainment and not wannabe Oscar winners.

Bondage007 · September 2015

chrisisall wrote:

And I think Bond movies work best as sheer entertainment and not wannabe Oscar winners.

Well a little of both would be ideal

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Agent Purple · September 2015

Bondage007 wrote:

chrisisall wrote:

And I think Bond movies work best as sheer entertainment and not wannabe Oscar winners.

Well a little of both would be ideal )

I agree with chris. The Oscars have questionable criteria anyway.

Bondage007 · September 2015

Agent Purple wrote:

Bondage007 wrote:

chrisisall wrote:

And I think Bond movies work best as sheer entertainment and not wannabe Oscar winners.

Well a little of both would be ideal )

I agree with chris. The Oscars have questionable criteria anyway.

My sense of humour doesn't sway you, agent?

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Thunderpussy · September 2015

How would Hugo Drax have put it,.....

" Not being English (or from the Colonies) I sometimes find your sense of
Humour rather difficult to follow "

chrisisall · September 2015

Okay guys, imagine this: OHMSS with a TB era Connery. IMO THAT would be perfection, and it would also be bad for every other Bond film made after, because no other would ever match that perfection. A perfect Bond movie could kill the entire franchise!

Bondage007 · September 2015

Thunderpussy wrote:

How would Hugo Drax have put it,.....

" Not being English (or from the Colonies) I sometimes find your sense of
Humour rather difficult to follow "

Lines like that are the reason why I can't dislike Moonraker. That scene is hilarious

Thunderpussy · September 2015

Drax has some wonderful lines in Moonraker, and his delivery of
them is masterful. -{

Bondage007 · September 2015

Thunderpussy wrote:

Drax has some wonderful lines in Moonraker, and his delivery of
them is masterful. -{

He sure does! Although Drax gets more good lines, imo Kamal Khan has has the best delivery of his two classic lines soon to made extinct, and nasty habit of surviving.

Thunderpussy · September 2015

Even Sir Roger used to complain that the Villains got all the best lines.

chrisisall · September 2015

Butterhook.

chrisisall · September 2015

stag wrote:

Do we really need a flawless Bond movie? Just think of the repercussions - no more 'pros & cons' threads?

That would be a tragedy!

Thunderpussy · September 2015

Maybe we could start a " Pros and Cons" thread on having no more
" Pros and Cons" threads ?

Barbel · September 2015

Have you been hanging out with Higgins??

http://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/45494/can-we-ban-anyone-whos-starting-another-ranking-or-pros-and-cons/

DEFIANT 74205 · September 2015

From Russia With Love comes close, as does On Her Majesty's Secret Service. To me, they both have only one flaw, which it shares with every other Bond film: Fleming's novels were better.

Other than that, it's about as flawless as a Bond film can be.

chrisisall · September 2015

On a personal level, if there IS a flawless Bond movie, TND is it. Oh yeah, I know the 'generic' arguments, and yeah, lots of machine gun fire- whatever. It truly is the ONE Bond movie that I personally find no flaw at all in. -{

chrisisall · November 2015

Well now I guess I'm gonna have to put SPECTRE into my 'fiawless' category.

Anyone else?

Agent Purple · November 2015

Goldfinger could have a good case for being flawless.

heartbroken_mr_drax · November 2015

Agent Purple wrote:

Goldfinger could have a good case for being flawless.

Disagree. The film is perfect until the Fort Knox raid then it all becomes a bit of a mess. Bond doesn't even save the day!

I don't really think any Bond film is flawless. Although I may nominate TSWLM as a contender

but then again, people will pick up flaws in it.

Agent Purple · November 2015

The biggest flaw in TSWLM for me (if anything) is the plot, but I don't let it bother me too much.

I think plots weren't Gilbert's forte, but he's still possibly my fave of the 007 directors.

heartbroken_mr_drax · November 2015

Agent Purple wrote:

The biggest flaw in TSWLM for me is the plot, but I don't let it bother me too much.

Nothing wrong with the plot....

Wikipedia wrote:

The storyline involves a reclusive megalomaniac named Karl Stromberg, who plans to destroy the world and create a new civilisation under the sea.

Flawless Bond Movie?

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