"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Since I've effectively and essentially 'closed the book' on Connery's tenure as Bond, I figured I'd go ahead and rank his movies from favorite to least favorite, along with retroactively giving # scores to the ones that I hadn't :
1. Thunderball (9.5 out of 10)
2. From Russia with Love (9 out of 10)
3. Dr. No (8 out of 10) and You Only Live Twice (8 out of 10)
4. Goldfinger (7 out of 10)
DAF is still an EON Bond film, NSNA is another story.
"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
DaF might be an official part of the franchise, but it's still an aberration and therefore doesn't exist in my 'headcanon'.
It does have its defenders, like all EON Bond films do.
Then again, NSNA also has its defenders.
"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
It's been my experience that most fans have their own personal list of what they consider to be relevant to or part of the Canon of whatever it is that they're a fan of... hence the term 'headcanon', which could also be referred to as 'personal Canon'.
We should be open about this giving us a " Frank Canon" )
( Only older people will get that)
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...I would be one of them B-)
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"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I've started OHMSS now, and while I'm not entirely sure exactly what the overall narrative point of the first reel (read: 30 minutes) of the movie is supposed to be, I really like Lazenby's take on the character of Bond, and am really enjoying his chemistry with Diana Rigg, whose performance as Tracy is reminding me of her performance as the awesome Olenna Tyrell on Game of Thrones.
I also got a kick out of his early interactions with Moneypenny, and thought it was interesting and neat that we see them exchange some brief physical intimacy for the first time.
Btw, given DW's ranking of the first 5 Connery EON Bond films, I get the impression that he prefers serious Bond over campy Bond.
"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Btw, given DW's ranking of the first 5 Connery EON Bond films, I get the impression that he prefers serious Bond over campy Bond.
I don't actually mind camp at all; in fact, some of my favorite movies of all time are definitely what you'd consider campy:
Super Mario Bros.
Men in Black
Batman '66
The Emperor's New Groove
Get Smart
The Mask
The reasons I'm choosing to pretend that DaF doesn't exist have nothing to do with its campy tone, and everything to do with the film lacking any sense of internal logic and just not being consistent in any way with the films that preceded it from a narrative standpoint.
To me, DaF doesn't work as a Bond movie regardless of where you put it, and I would even go so far as to say that I don't think they should've even made it at all, or at least not made it the way that they did.
If you enjoy it, more power to you, but I don't think it works as either an independent movie or as part of the Bond franchise.
I do quite enjoy it, whilst conceding that it's the most derided Connery outing short of NSNA. Someone once said that DAF is the first Roger Moore film---before Roger Moore took over the tux. Still, it certainly works as a Bond movie for me. Yes, it's silly, but it's also high entertainment, and I find its tone more consistent, in its absurdity, than the waning end of Sir Roger's tenure. There are still elements of the DAF novel ( :v ) that could still be salvaged, to this very day---and the theme song, as performed by Dame Shirley, is pretty much perfect.
Some Bond films transcend because of personal experience, such as when one sees them for the first time, and for me this is one of those.* A part of me is still the nine year-old who watched Sean Connery, in a dinner jacket, riding atop an exterior elevator, and then dangling around on a tiny wire before gaining access to the top floor. No one will ever convince me that it doesn't work as a Bond movie.
*This is the only conceivable explanation, for me at any rate, for the adoration of latter-era Sir Roger. {:)
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
To me, DaF doesn't work as a Bond movie regardless of where you put it, and I would even go so far as to say that I don't think they should've even made it at all, or at least not made it the way that they did.
If you enjoy it, more power to you, but I don't think it works as either an independent movie or as part of the Bond franchise.
I do quite enjoy it, whilst conceding that it's the most derided Connery outing short of NSNA. Someone once said that DAF is the first Roger Moore film---before Roger Moore took over the tux. Still, it certainly works as a Bond movie for me. Yes, it's silly, but it's also high entertainment, and I find its tone more consistent, in its absurdity, than the waning end of Sir Roger's tenure. There are still elements of the DAF novel ( :v ) that could still be salvaged, to this very day---and the theme song, as performed by Dame Shirley, is pretty much perfect.
Some Bond films transcend because of personal experience, such as when one sees them for the first time, and for me this is one of those.* A part of me is still the nine year-old who watched Sean Connery, in a dinner jacket, riding atop an exterior elevator, and then dangling around on a tiny wire before gaining access to the top floor. No one will ever convince me that it doesn't work as a Bond movie.
*This is the only conceivable explanation, for me at any rate, for the adoration of latter-era Sir Roger. {:)
In DigificWriter's defense, I actually have great fun with DAF as a stand alone flick. It really isn't a follow up to OHMSS at all, but a reset for a more fun Bond IMHO. If continuity is your thing (which it really isn't for ME), you have to go from OHMSS to TSWLM & then to FYEO. 8-)
To me, DaF doesn't work as a Bond movie regardless of where you put it, and I would even go so far as to say that I don't think they should've even made it at all, or at least not made it the way that they did.
If you enjoy it, more power to you, but I don't think it works as either an independent movie or as part of the Bond franchise.
Someone once said that DAF is the first Roger Moore film---before Roger Moore took over the tux.
I hear this a lot, and I don't agree with it. What DAF and Moore's silly Bond films have in common is that they were all made in the 1970s. DAF doesn't really have much in common with Moore's 80s films, but most people don't think of Moore's 80s films when they think of his Bond.
I've now seen why some might think that there's a continuity issue with regards to OHMSS and YOLT, but given the way Bond's cover gets blown while he's investigating Piz Gloria and Blofeld, I was personally left with the impression that Blofeld actually knew who "Sir Hilary Bray" really was all along and was merely giving him just enough 'rope to hang himself', as it were.
Speaking of Blofeld, the actor they chose to play the character here bears a rather striking physical resemblance - and has a very similar vocal cadence - to Vin Diesel, which I thought was cool.
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Someone once said that DAF is the first Roger Moore film---before Roger Moore took over the tux.
I hear this a lot, and I don't agree with it. What DAF and Moore's silly Bond films have in common is that they were all made in the 1970s. DAF doesn't really have much in common with Moore's 80s films, but most people don't think of Moore's 80s films when they think of his Bond.
I think two of Moore's silliest came from '83 and '85, so they were hardly confined to the '70s...to me it's obvious that Connery's comic take in DAF eased the transition to Moore---and IMO Connery did it better (naturally).
But to my overall point, DAF certainly works as a Bond film, silly or not, as do the Moores, which is a testament to how broad Bond's template is.
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
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I've now seen why some might think that there's a continuity issue with regards to OHMSS and YOLT, but given the way Bond's cover gets blown while he's investigating Piz Gloria and Blofeld, I was personally left with the impression that Blofeld actually knew who "Sir Hilary Bray" really was all along and was merely giving him just enough 'rope to hang himself'
Even 'Continuity Nazis' can rationalize major continuity gaps! ) Sorry, but the Graf Zeppelin can safely be flown through that one, without so much as a snagged rigging line {:)
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I've now seen why some might think that there's a continuity issue with regards to OHMSS and YOLT, but given the way Bond's cover gets blown while he's investigating Piz Gloria and Blofeld, I was personally left with the impression that Blofeld actually knew who "Sir Hilary Bray" really was all along and was merely giving him just enough 'rope to hang himself'
Even 'Continuity Nazis' can rationalize major continuity gaps! ) Sorry, but the Graf Zeppelin can safely be flown through that one, without so much as a snagged rigging line {:)
True enough, but the only sane approach for me is to buckle up and enjoy the ride.
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
Why is it such a stretch, based on the actual contents of OHMSS as presented onscreen, to believe that Blofeld knew who "Sir Hilary" was all along but was 'playing dumb'? It's consistent with his characterization as established in YOLT, and is in keeping with the general concept of him being a megalomaniac.
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Why is it such a stretch, based on the actual contents of OHMSS as presented onscreen, to believe that Blofeld knew who "Sir Hilary" was all along but was 'playing dumb'? It's consistent with his characterization as established in YOLT, and is in keeping with the general concept of him being a megalomaniac.
Because of the contents of YOLT, as presented onscreen in the previous film The notion that Bond and Blofeld would conduct such a pantomime makes no sense. It's Kabuki without purpose, when Blofeld should have just taken Bond outside and killed him like he did the other agent.
Surely you can see that, in your own way, you're shaping your rationalization to make it work for you personally....which what all of us do with Bond continuity and timelines
But please continue! I enjoy your reviews, and it's fun to watch you work -{ Cheers
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It makes sense in the context of Blofeld's megalomania, which is also manifest in his obsession with being legitimately recognized as nobility.
Megalomaniacs and sociopaths (of which Blofeld is both) have a psychological need to do things that demonstrate their superiority, and letting James 'hang himself' does exactly that because it's essentially letting him trap himself.
He later tries to seduce Tracy for the same basic reasons.
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New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
1. Thunderball (9.5 out of 10)
2. From Russia with Love (9 out of 10)
3. Dr. No (8 out of 10) and You Only Live Twice (8 out of 10)
4. Goldfinger (7 out of 10)
Now, onto OHMSS and pretending DaF doesn't exist.
DAF is still an EON Bond film, NSNA is another story.
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
It does have its defenders, like all EON Bond films do.
Then again, NSNA also has its defenders.
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
( Only older people will get that)
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I also got a kick out of his early interactions with Moneypenny, and thought it was interesting and neat that we see them exchange some brief physical intimacy for the first time.
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Definitely. It just needs to be balanced with something and not become parody (since I can't stand parody).
I don't actually mind camp at all; in fact, some of my favorite movies of all time are definitely what you'd consider campy:
Super Mario Bros.
Men in Black
Batman '66
The Emperor's New Groove
Get Smart
The Mask
The reasons I'm choosing to pretend that DaF doesn't exist have nothing to do with its campy tone, and everything to do with the film lacking any sense of internal logic and just not being consistent in any way with the films that preceded it from a narrative standpoint.
I do quite enjoy it, whilst conceding that it's the most derided Connery outing short of NSNA. Someone once said that DAF is the first Roger Moore film---before Roger Moore took over the tux. Still, it certainly works as a Bond movie for me. Yes, it's silly, but it's also high entertainment, and I find its tone more consistent, in its absurdity, than the waning end of Sir Roger's tenure. There are still elements of the DAF novel ( :v ) that could still be salvaged, to this very day---and the theme song, as performed by Dame Shirley, is pretty much perfect.
Some Bond films transcend because of personal experience, such as when one sees them for the first time, and for me this is one of those.* A part of me is still the nine year-old who watched Sean Connery, in a dinner jacket, riding atop an exterior elevator, and then dangling around on a tiny wire before gaining access to the top floor. No one will ever convince me that it doesn't work as a Bond movie.
* This is the only conceivable explanation, for me at any rate, for the adoration of latter-era Sir Roger. {:)
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
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The films is OK with me. -{
If you enjoy it, more power to you, but I don't think it works as either an independent movie or as part of the Bond franchise.
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I hear this a lot, and I don't agree with it. What DAF and Moore's silly Bond films have in common is that they were all made in the 1970s. DAF doesn't really have much in common with Moore's 80s films, but most people don't think of Moore's 80s films when they think of his Bond.
Speaking of Blofeld, the actor they chose to play the character here bears a rather striking physical resemblance - and has a very similar vocal cadence - to Vin Diesel, which I thought was cool.
I think two of Moore's silliest came from '83 and '85, so they were hardly confined to the '70s...to me it's obvious that Connery's comic take in DAF eased the transition to Moore---and IMO Connery did it better (naturally).
But to my overall point, DAF certainly works as a Bond film, silly or not, as do the Moores, which is a testament to how broad Bond's template is.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Even 'Continuity Nazis' can rationalize major continuity gaps!
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
True enough, but the only sane approach for me is to buckle up and enjoy the ride.
Because of the contents of YOLT, as presented onscreen in the previous film
Surely you can see that, in your own way, you're shaping your rationalization to make it work for you personally....which what all of us do with Bond continuity and timelines
But please continue! I enjoy your reviews, and it's fun to watch you work -{ Cheers
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Megalomaniacs and sociopaths (of which Blofeld is both) have a psychological need to do things that demonstrate their superiority, and letting James 'hang himself' does exactly that because it's essentially letting him trap himself.
He later tries to seduce Tracy for the same basic reasons.