Nice Write-up in Defense of Sir Roger

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  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    IcePak wrote:
    am747 wrote:
    Connery and Moore are the top two Bonds. They are like Ferrari and Lamborghini (or Aston if you prefer). Others are like Porsche, Maserati, etc. Porsches and Maseratis are great cars but there is something different about Ferraris and Lamborghinis :D

    I couldn't have said it better.

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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    am747 wrote:
    IcePak wrote:
    am747 wrote:
    Connery and Moore are the top two Bonds. They are like Ferrari and Lamborghini (or Aston if you prefer). Others are like Porsche, Maserati, etc. Porsches and Maseratis are great cars but there is something different about Ferraris and Lamborghinis :D

    I couldn't have said it better.

    To SC and RM -{

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  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Roger Moore himself says the best Bond ever is Daniel Craig. "To me, he looks like a killer. He looks as though he knows what he’s doing. I look as though I might cheat at backgammon". However, I disagree with him. I said it somewhere else. Roger could play a tough SOB very well, if he wanted to. In OP he shoots a soldier between the eyes. If that's not a killer who knows what he's doing, it's pretty close.

    Actually, that's the problem with the Moore films. There are these sudden shifts in tone. Ninety-five percent of the time everything is kind of comical or semi-spoof and it's all gondolas and Sheriff JW Pepper and then you suddenly have a woman ripped apart by Drax's dogs, or Bond pushing the defenseless guy's car off the cliff in FYEO, or Bond smacking around Maud Adams character in TMWTGG. It's as if the producers suddenly realized, Hey! This is a James Bond film so we gotta do something edgy. It's always given me a kind of queasy feeling.
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    Gala Brand wrote:
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Roger Moore himself says the best Bond ever is Daniel Craig. "To me, he looks like a killer. He looks as though he knows what he’s doing. I look as though I might cheat at backgammon". However, I disagree with him. I said it somewhere else. Roger could play a tough SOB very well, if he wanted to. In OP he shoots a soldier between the eyes. If that's not a killer who knows what he's doing, it's pretty close.

    Actually, that's the problem with the Moore films. There are these sudden shifts in tone. Ninety-five percent of the time everything is kind of comical or semi-spoof and it's all gondolas and Sheriff JW Pepper and then you suddenly have a woman ripped apart by Drax's dogs, or Bond pushing the defenseless guy's car off the cliff in FYEO, or Bond smacking around Maud Adams character in TMWTGG. It's as if the producers suddenly realized, Hey! This is a James Bond film so we gotta do something edgy. It's always given me a kind of queasy feeling.

    Ummm but is people being ripped apart with dogs in a very easy fashion. And I wouldn't call locque defenseless

    The Moore Bonds are the most easy going of films. Theres no men being exploded on dive sites or balls being whipped under torture...
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  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    Gala Brand wrote:

    Actually, that's the problem with the Moore films. There are these sudden shifts in tone. Ninety-five percent of the time everything is kind of comical or semi-spoof and it's all gondolas and Sheriff JW Pepper and then you suddenly have a woman ripped apart by Drax's dogs, or Bond pushing the defenseless guy's car off the cliff in FYEO, or Bond smacking around Maud Adams character in TMWTGG. It's as if the producers suddenly realized, Hey! This is a James Bond film so we gotta do something edgy. It's always given me a kind of queasy feeling.


    MR: Bond was put in to the simulator which was a tense scene. This preceded the dog scene (With dogs being shown when Bond met Drax, it was likely that they were going to be used. The question was on whom). After the dog scene, we have the scientists getting killed in Venice

    FYEO: Action / Violence is constantly being built up with Blofeld getting dumped in the chimney, Havelocks getting killed, Gonzales getting shot, Ferrara getting murdered, Lisl being run over cold bloodedly, ....

    TMWTGG: Bond started showing cold-blooded qualities to get the job done right from when he lands in Macao where he fired at Lazar from a close range to get the information. And then he gets info out of Andrea

    Unless you found Bond in the simulator, Lisl death, etc. as funny, there should not be any reasons to feel surprised when the dogs were unleashed, Locque is thrown over the cliff, Andrea is tortured, etc. :)
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    am747 wrote:
    Gala Brand wrote:

    Actually, that's the problem with the Moore films. There are these sudden shifts in tone. Ninety-five percent of the time everything is kind of comical or semi-spoof and it's all gondolas and Sheriff JW Pepper and then you suddenly have a woman ripped apart by Drax's dogs, or Bond pushing the defenseless guy's car off the cliff in FYEO, or Bond smacking around Maud Adams character in TMWTGG. It's as if the producers suddenly realized, Hey! This is a James Bond film so we gotta do something edgy. It's always given me a kind of queasy feeling.


    MR: Bond was put in to the simulator which was a tense scene. This preceded the dog scene (With dogs being shown when Bond met Drax, it was likely that they were going to be used. The question was on whom). After the dog scene, we have the scientists getting killed in Venice

    FYEO: Action / Violence is constantly being built up with Blofeld getting dumped in the chimney, Havelocks getting killed, Gonzales getting shot, Ferrara getting murdered, Lisl being run over cold bloodedly, ....

    TMWTGG: Bond started showing cold-blooded qualities to get the job done right from when he lands in Macao where he fired at Lazar from a close range to get the information. And then he gets info out of Andrea

    Unless you found Bond in the simulator, Lisl death, etc. as funny, there should not be any reasons to feel surprised when the dogs were unleashed, Locque is thrown over the cliff, Andrea is tortured, etc. :)

    I agree with all this. I don't find any of the shifts in tone in his films to be too sudden. I think the balance of comic and serious scenes in his films is perfect. That balances contributes to Moore's films being well-paced.
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  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    am747 wrote:
    Gala Brand wrote:

    Actually, that's the problem with the Moore films. There are these sudden shifts in tone. Ninety-five percent of the time everything is kind of comical or semi-spoof and it's all gondolas and Sheriff JW Pepper and then you suddenly have a woman ripped apart by Drax's dogs, or Bond pushing the defenseless guy's car off the cliff in FYEO, or Bond smacking around Maud Adams character in TMWTGG. It's as if the producers suddenly realized, Hey! This is a James Bond film so we gotta do something edgy. It's always given me a kind of queasy feeling.


    MR: Bond was put in to the simulator which was a tense scene. This preceded the dog scene (With dogs being shown when Bond met Drax, it was likely that they were going to be used. The question was on whom). After the dog scene, we have the scientists getting killed in Venice

    FYEO: Action / Violence is constantly being built up with Blofeld getting dumped in the chimney, Havelocks getting killed, Gonzales getting shot, Ferrara getting murdered, Lisl being run over cold bloodedly, ....

    TMWTGG: Bond started showing cold-blooded qualities to get the job done right from when he lands in Macao where he fired at Lazar from a close range to get the information. And then he gets info out of Andrea

    Unless you found Bond in the simulator, Lisl death, etc. as funny, there should not be any reasons to feel surprised when the dogs were unleashed, Locque is thrown over the cliff, Andrea is tortured, etc. :)

    I agree with all this. I don't find any of the shifts in tone in his films to be too sudden. I think the balance of comic and serious scenes in his films is perfect. That balances contributes to Moore's films being well-paced.

    Additionally, 2 of the 3 films being discussed has Barry's score which helps to build / convey the tone -{
  • RevelatorRevelator Posts: 604MI6 Agent
    The Moore Bonds are the most easy going of films. Theres no men being exploded...

    What about Kananga? Of course, that was played for laughs--which only made it more disturbing...
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    Revelator wrote:
    The Moore Bonds are the most easy going of films. Theres no men being exploded...

    What about Kananga? Of course, that was played for laughs--which only made it more disturbing...

    Theres no men being exploded on dive sites on vessels called the Wavekrest

    Who says its disturbing?
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