Brosnan - What went wrong?

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  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    I think his characters both in TTOP and TNM aren't very charming. they both seem to be missing the british charm Brosnan has in the Bond movies
    "You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    As you know....I am not a Brosnan fan...

    But..

    He was the only man who could have taken over in 1995. And for that I am grateful

    :# :# :# 8-)

    You don't know what it took to say that :)
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    I personally think DAD has Brosnan's best performance as Bond, even if it's my least fave of his 007 films.
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  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    As you know....I am not a Brosnan fan...

    But..

    He was the only man who could have taken over in 1995. And for that I am grateful

    :# :# :# 8-)

    You don't know what it took to say that :)

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    "You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    As you know....I am not a Brosnan fan...

    But..

    He was the only man who could have taken over in 1995. And for that I am grateful

    :# :# :# 8-)

    You don't know what it took to say that :)

    image.jpg

    Ggggrrrrrr X-( X-(
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    As you know....I am not a Brosnan fan...

    But..

    He was the only man who could have taken over in 1995. And for that I am grateful

    :# :# :# 8-)

    You don't know what it took to say that :)

    image.jpg

    This makes my day :D :D :D :D :D
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    As you know....I am not a Brosnan fan...

    But..

    He was the only man who could have taken over in 1995. And for that I am grateful

    :# :# :# 8-)

    You don't know what it took to say that :)

    image.jpg

    This makes my day :D :D :D :D :D

    I am still gonna take the piss out of Brosnan :)
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    broad, at least we share a movie in our Top 5s, so it's all good.
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  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent

    image.jpg

    This makes my day :D :D :D :D :D

    I am still gonna take the piss out of Brosnan :)
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez9pIji3ub8
    "You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent

    This makes my day :D :D :D :D :D

    I am still gonna take the piss out of Brosnan :)
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez9pIji3ub8

    Still gonna happen...
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    broad, at least we share a movie in our Top 5s, so it's all good.

    Four of his top 5 films are my top 4 films, though we still can't converse civilly about Brosnan.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,863Chief of Staff
    As you know....I am not a Brosnan fan...

    But..

    He was the only man who could have taken over in 1995. And for that I am grateful

    :# :# :# 8-)

    You don't know what it took to say that :)

    Ah, if only we had a "Post Of The Day", or even week- that would win hands down! :)) :)) :))

    Now, where's Higgins....?
  • Julius No M.D.Julius No M.D. Posts: 110MI6 Agent
    Brosnan's time as Bond is rather tragic, honestly. He had one great film, one really good film, and two sub par films (if you look at my ranking of the film's below, you can probably figure out which one is which). And he was great as Bond. He had potential to be the best Bond. So, what went wrong?

    I think a multitude of factors resulted in the Brosnan era not being fully realized.

    [list=*]
    [*]The Cold War ended and EON needed to find a new reason for James Bond to exist.
    Cubby Broccoli died and the new management was just settling in.
    The Dalton era, which tried to go back to Fleming and break away from formula, didn't give the box office numbers that EON was looking for.
    Brosnan was trying to make the character more realistic and believable with each film but was given increasingly sillier scripts. Bond but was given increasingly sillier scripts.
    The increased emphasis on the action and less emphasis on the spying.
    The hiring of inexperienced directors resulted in weak directing. While Campbell was a smart choice, Spottiswoode, Apted and Tamahori were not up to par. EON maybe should have broken their rule about only hiring dark horses and just went with Peter Jackson.[/*]
    [/list]
  • GrindelwaldGrindelwald Posts: 1,341MI6 Agent
    The Doc has spoken ;)
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    just went with Peter Jackson.

    Then we would've had a 6 hour dragged out fantasy! No!
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  • Blood_StoneBlood_Stone Posts: 184MI6 Agent
    He was a great choice who suffered from weak scripts (TND and DAD) so he didn't get to reach his overall potential.
  • GrindelwaldGrindelwald Posts: 1,341MI6 Agent
    +10 for that comment , truer words never spoken :)
  • VesperMelogranoVesperMelograno The SouthPosts: 901MI6 Agent
    Bosnan was a great Bond. I think the only thing that was "wrong" is sometimes he played everything a little too cool, for example when he shoots Electra he acts like he just shot a garden snake and not someone he slept with.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Bosnan was a great Bond. I think the only thing that was "wrong" is sometimes he played everything a little too cool, for example when he shoots Electra he acts like he just shot a garden snake and not someone he slept with.
    She was a snake... :007)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    Bosnan was a great Bond. I think the only thing that was "wrong" is sometimes he played everything a little too cool, for example when he shoots Electra he acts like he just shot a garden snake and not someone he slept with.

    I think that's one of his strongest moments as Bond.

    He's supposed to be a cold killer, not someone who exteriorizes a lot of emotion in such moments.

    It's one of the things that make Brozzer my fave Bond, I love how cold his 007 could be when killing.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent

    It's one of the things that make Brozzer my fave Bond, I love how cold his 007 could be when killing.
    Yeah, it was like light switch. Very much the Bond I understand.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    Bosnan was a great Bond. I think the only thing that was "wrong" is sometimes he played everything a little too cool, for example when he shoots Electra he acts like he just shot a garden snake and not someone he slept with.

    I think that's one of his strongest moments as Bond.

    He's supposed to be a cold killer, not someone who exteriorizes a lot of emotion in such moments.

    It's one of the things that make Brozzer my fave Bond, I love how cold his 007 could be when killing.

    Yeah I don't agree that it wasn't heartfelt. You can see it in his face and the way he talks to her before killing her - he knows what he has to do and it's f-ing hard.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Yeah I don't agree that it wasn't heartfelt. You can see it in his face and the way he talks to her before killing her - he knows what he has to do and it's f-ing hard.
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    Bosnan was a great Bond. I think the only thing that was "wrong" is sometimes he played everything a little too cool, for example when he shoots Electra he acts like he just shot a garden snake and not someone he slept with.

    I think that's one of his strongest moments as Bond.

    He's supposed to be a cold killer, not someone who exteriorizes a lot of emotion in such moments.

    It's one of the things that make Brozzer my fave Bond, I love how cold his 007 could be when killing.

    Yeah I don't agree that it wasn't heartfelt. You can see it in his face and the way he talks to her before killing her - he knows what he has to do and it's f-ing hard.


    Yeah, you can tell he was tense before he killed her. However, in the end he took the shot and put the cherry on top with the line "I never miss.".
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    he took the shot and put the cherry on top with the line "I never miss.".
    That made me a bit sad for him. A death wish sort of line... :(
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • VesperMelogranoVesperMelograno The SouthPosts: 901MI6 Agent
    I kind of took that final interaction like she was saying he would not shoot her down like like cattle. It was almost like she was daring him. Then he does, close range, and I would have expected a bit more conflict when he was standing over her body. It was just a little too cool considering he seemed to actually like her. Or it could be that I am projecting on Bond what I would have liked him to do/ feel.
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  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    Didn't he kind of drape his body over hers after shooting her? There was some kind of remorse he felt. In the real world, I think it's amateurish and "green" for Bond to develop feelings over a woman within a short timeframe, just because they had sex?
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  • DieAnotherDayDieAnotherDay Glasgow, ScotlandPosts: 460MI6 Agent
    I actually have no idea what went wrong with the Brosnan era. It's strange to think that the series was totally revitalised with the brilliance of GoldenEye in '95 - which brought the series back to its very best. Having a relatively grounded story, an suave and sophisticated actor playing Bond and a fantastic mix of gritty action and humour which worked.
    Yet a mere 7 years later the series had slowly but surely decended into far-fetched nonsense with half witted dialogue spread throughout. As much as I love DAD, it did push Bond too far in the kinetic Sci-Fi direction and it would've been unwise to continue in this vein (even though I would've loved one more outing with Brozzer :( :007) )
    ....and the best he ever managed was a sermon on the mount.
  • The Wicker ManThe Wicker Man EnglandPosts: 434MI6 Agent
    Hmm I'm not sure it did go wrong. Certainly not at the box office. The beauty of being a Bond fan is the wide variety of films we have to choose from. If I fancy a Fleming type Bond film I choose to watch an early Connery or Dalton. Films that are less serious entertainments with moments of humour I turn to late Connery or Roger. If I want to watch the greatest Bond film of all I put on OHMSS ;) . Craig provides me with a more grittier, brutal type of Bond film. But if I am in the mood for plenty of action/humour with great entertainment I will watch a Brosnan. There is a Bond actor and a Bond film for every occasion. -{
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    Hmm I'm not sure it did go wrong. Certainly not at the box office. The beauty of being a Bond fan is the wide variety of films we have to choose from. (...) There is a Bond actor and a Bond film for every occasion. -{

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