SPECTRE Ring theory
SpangledWeb
Station P, USAPosts: 24MI6 Agent
One of the (many) inane things I've heard people complain about is the ring, and how Q gleans all he does from it. Clearly, he would be working off of DNA and/or fingerprint samples in the MI6 database.
What if SPECTRE has a similar process for its members to move up as MI6 does to become a 00 Agent? Let's say the ring is passed from assassin to assassin when each one moves up. After watching CR again, you can't tell whether Mr. White is wearing a ring on his right hand when he shoots Le Chiffre or not - so he obviously must have been
By the time of the events in SPECTRE, MI6 has DNA samples of White & Le Chiffre. We should assume that Mr. White checked Le Chiffre's vital signs after shooting him to confirm that he was dead. It's not such a leap to think some of Le Chiffre's blood/DNA could rub off on the ring.
After Mr. White moves up, maybe he passed the ring to Mr. Hinx (who wore it as a pinky ring, I assume). We know that Dominic Greene was killed by two shots to the head. We also know Mr. Hinx uses a double-barrel pistol. A double-tap to the head would be messy, indeed, and could easily transfer some DNA.
I can't remember if the ring provides information about Silva, but he could have been a SPECTRE assassin before Skyfall. He then would pass the ring to Sciarra, who was in the process of trying to kill a stadium-full of people when he met Bond.
As for Oberhauser, the leader of SPECTRE might have been involved in a ritual of sorts to transfer the ring from assassin to assassin. How MI6 would have his information is, of course, classified :007)
Like the subject line says, it's just a theory. Anybody else have one?
What if SPECTRE has a similar process for its members to move up as MI6 does to become a 00 Agent? Let's say the ring is passed from assassin to assassin when each one moves up. After watching CR again, you can't tell whether Mr. White is wearing a ring on his right hand when he shoots Le Chiffre or not - so he obviously must have been
By the time of the events in SPECTRE, MI6 has DNA samples of White & Le Chiffre. We should assume that Mr. White checked Le Chiffre's vital signs after shooting him to confirm that he was dead. It's not such a leap to think some of Le Chiffre's blood/DNA could rub off on the ring.After Mr. White moves up, maybe he passed the ring to Mr. Hinx (who wore it as a pinky ring, I assume). We know that Dominic Greene was killed by two shots to the head. We also know Mr. Hinx uses a double-barrel pistol. A double-tap to the head would be messy, indeed, and could easily transfer some DNA.
I can't remember if the ring provides information about Silva, but he could have been a SPECTRE assassin before Skyfall. He then would pass the ring to Sciarra, who was in the process of trying to kill a stadium-full of people when he met Bond.
As for Oberhauser, the leader of SPECTRE might have been involved in a ritual of sorts to transfer the ring from assassin to assassin. How MI6 would have his information is, of course, classified :007)
Like the subject line says, it's just a theory. Anybody else have one?
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The ring is crafted with a special mark or hologram or image with embedded information. When analyzed with the right tools, the ring gives the required information -{ .... This quality is what makes those rings special
The ring would have been washed so many times that I doubt any DNA of use would be left on it.
Personally I am sticking to my theory that Spectre in the Craig films is the Phoenix from Quantum's ashes. Setting aside that CR-06 is my favourite Bond film so it comes first, as Pussy noted the ring is a film shorthand muguffin. One the writers designed to tie everything up with a garrotte like ribbon.
I also feel the excellent Bond meets White scene and what we see at L'American supports the coup de-tat idea better than everyone "conveniently" having worked for Blofeld!
This was my take on it.
However, it was a bit far fetched that coincidentally the only people who have had this ring are people who Bond has faced. And I also didn't like that when the matches came up on Q's computer, they was on a screen with the SPECTRE logo! X-( ?:)
I was under the impression that when Q scanned the ring he was downloading embedded information recorded there by SPECTRE, hence the logo and all the images of their agents including ESB. Basically the ring was an advanced flash drive / USB stick.
Or was my imagination joining dots that weren't there???
No, that is implied clearly in the dialogue. Embedded information in the ring.
The first thing Q does is scan it for fingerprints, and the prints it shows, if I remember correctly, are all people we, the viewers saw touch the ring, including Mr. White.
Further on, he does what looks like a metallurgical analysis on the ring. He then cross references that with "autopsy, toxicology" reports. It then identifies Greene, Silva, LeChiffre having the same metal traces on them at time of death. MI6 already knew there was some connection between Greene and White and also between White and LeChiffre. Silva is a tougher one to tie in, except he had the same metal on his skin during the autopsy.
This explains why Q thinks they are all part of the same organization (all wore that kind of ring) but didn't know the organization's name.
Chris
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I hadn't read this when i posted my theory above, but here you are. Mendes explains the ring.
Interesting, although even if that was explains din the film I doubt many people would actually understand. I onky understand it becacause it's written out, I'd be useless with that if Q had just said it!
And at least we now know the cat is still alive and licking
As to M-Manf suspecting there being one person at the top of it all, QoS made it clear that was NOT the case. She fires off frustrated questions at Bond while in Mitchell's flat that make it clear that she (well they) has no idea what Quantum was about at that point. Even with Greene blabbing the Tosca scene implies an organisation led by committee. Something Spectre is def not. - When Blofeld arrives in the Board room scenes, a ripple of fear, mixed with anticipation goes through the room.)
We can't account Skyfall here at all, because there is no reference to the previous two films. Its all about M-Manf and her history with Silva with a bit about Bond's childhood added on. I suppose we could argue that M-Manf is clearly loosing touch, as she did make some elementary errors. - The data on a laptop and not pulling out the agents beofre their cover was blown
So the meteorite was supposed to be more than symbolic "hammer into anvil" waffle? That one sailed right past me!
C did feel like a paired down character. I like Andrew Scott as an actor, but C as a character post revelation, seems to have trouble distinguishing if he is a big bad or a lackey! I blame the writing.
Pussy - (I mention this here, because the SABS is still a Spoiler free zone)
I'll bring in a large steak for Holly later on. I am about to take her for a walk and I know she be relieved Blofeld's cat survived the blast. Even if it is a baddie. However now she will worry it might return looking like Mr Bigglesworth!
I understand the possibility of obtaining Oberhauser's DNA from a point before his supposed death. But because Q's "DNA confirmation" is the proof that the Franz Oberhauser that heads Spectre is one and the same as Bond's foster brother, my question is, how would anyone have gotten DNA from Oberhauser from the period after his staged death? Considering Spectre is in the business of superior surveilance and intelligence gathering, allowing that to happen, let alone allowing this DNA information to continue to exist in anyone's record system, is sloppy.