Rating films by adding the sum of its parts
am747
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This thread is about assigning a total to a film by adding the sum of its parts w/o making a pros and cons list. The film is to be divided in to 5 parts - namely PTS, 1st act, 2nd act, 3rd act, and End Sequence (ES). Each part is worth a maximum of 10 points, so a film gets marks out of a total of 50.
FYEO is used as the benchmark:
a) PTS = 8/10
b) 1st act = 8/10 (Bond in Spain)
c) 2nd act = 8/10 (Bond in Italy)
d) 3rd act = 8/10 (Bond in Greece)
e) End Sequence (ES) = 8/10 (Bond's climb to the villain's lair in Meteora)
So total = 40 (out of 50) (8 marks out of 10 per category)
--> For more info on using the rating system, please refer to post #12. Remember you are not supposed to rate FYEO but use it as a guide to rate other films. FYEO is an example of a film that is consistent throughout all categories .... In this way, we have a standard system for everyone rather than random criteria
Rating the Gilbert directed films (by also comparing it with the benchmark):
YOLT
a) PTS = 8
b) 1st act = 10 (Bond buried at sea + enters Japan + Henderson's death)
c) 2nd act = 8 (Bond contacts the enemies and survives the plane crash)
d) 3rd act = 6 (Bond's training and marriage)
e) ES = 10 (Bond in villain's lair)
Total = 42
TSWLM
a) PTS = 10
b) 1st act = 8
c) 2nd act = 10 (Bond in Egypt)
d) 3rd act = 9 (Bond in Italy)
e) ES = 8 (Liparus + Atlantis)
Total = 45
MR
a) PTS = 8.5 (Skydiving)
b) 1st act = 8 (Bond in California)
c) 2nd act = 6 (Bond in Venice)
d) 3rd act = 8.5 (Bond in Brazil)
e) ES = 7 (Bond in space)
Total = 39
FYEO is used as the benchmark:
a) PTS = 8/10
b) 1st act = 8/10 (Bond in Spain)
c) 2nd act = 8/10 (Bond in Italy)
d) 3rd act = 8/10 (Bond in Greece)
e) End Sequence (ES) = 8/10 (Bond's climb to the villain's lair in Meteora)
So total = 40 (out of 50) (8 marks out of 10 per category)
--> For more info on using the rating system, please refer to post #12. Remember you are not supposed to rate FYEO but use it as a guide to rate other films. FYEO is an example of a film that is consistent throughout all categories .... In this way, we have a standard system for everyone rather than random criteria
Rating the Gilbert directed films (by also comparing it with the benchmark):
YOLT
a) PTS = 8
b) 1st act = 10 (Bond buried at sea + enters Japan + Henderson's death)
c) 2nd act = 8 (Bond contacts the enemies and survives the plane crash)
d) 3rd act = 6 (Bond's training and marriage)
e) ES = 10 (Bond in villain's lair)
Total = 42
TSWLM
a) PTS = 10
b) 1st act = 8
c) 2nd act = 10 (Bond in Egypt)
d) 3rd act = 9 (Bond in Italy)
e) ES = 8 (Liparus + Atlantis)
Total = 45
MR
a) PTS = 8.5 (Skydiving)
b) 1st act = 8 (Bond in California)
c) 2nd act = 6 (Bond in Venice)
d) 3rd act = 8.5 (Bond in Brazil)
e) ES = 7 (Bond in space)
Total = 39
Comments
OHMSS
a) PTS = 10
b) 1st act = 10 (Bond in Portugal)
c) 2nd act = 8 (Bond in Switzerland + disguised as Bray)
d) 3rd act = 10 (Bond's escape + Tracy's capture)
e) ES = 10
Total = 48
TLD
a) PTS = 8
b) 1st act = 8 (Bratislava)
c) 2nd act = 9 (Ice Chase + Venice + Tangiers)
d) 3rd act = 8 (Russian base + Kamran)
e) ES = 10 (Back to the base + Hercules + Tangiers)
Total = 44
GE
a) PTS = 8
b) 1st act = 8 (Monaco)
c) 2nd act = 6 (Bond enters Russia and gets captured)
d) 3rd act = 7 (Bond escapes)
e) ES = 6
Total = 35
SP
a) PTS = 8
b) 1st act = 8 (Italy)
c) 2nd act = 9 (Austria)
d) 3rd act = 9 (Morocco)
e) ES = 7 (UK)
Total = 41
GF
a) PTS = 8
b) 1st act = 10 (US + UK)
c) 2nd act = 10 (Switzerland)
d) 3rd act = 9 (US)
e) ES = 8 (Fort Knox + on plane)
Total = 45
DAF
a) PTS = 7
b) 1st act = 10 (Amsterdam)
c) 2nd act = 9 (Land in Los Angeles to Plenty gets thrown out of the window)
d) 3rd act = 8 (Moon buggy, LV, Climb to pent house, etc)
e) ES = 8 (Oil rig + ship)
Total = 41
LALD
a) PTS = 8
b) 1st act = 9 (US)
c) 2nd act = 9 (Carribbean)
d) 3rd act = 9 (US)
e) ES = 9 (Carribbean + Train)
Total = 44
TMWTGG
a) PTS = 8
b) 1st act = 7 (ME)
c) 2nd act = 9 (Macao + HK)
d) 3rd act = 8 (Thailand)
e) ES = 10 (Scaramanga's Island)
Total = 42
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DN
a) PTS = 10 (Technically no PTS but Bond theme + events in Jamaica)
b) 1st act = 10 (UK Intro)
c) 2nd act = 8 (Bond enters Jamaica)
d) 3rd act = 8 (Bond on the island with Honey)
e) ES = 10 (From DN's introduction to end)
Total = 46
FRWL
a) PTS = 9
b) 1st act = 10
c) 2nd act = 10 (Istanbul)
d) 3rd act = 10 (Orient Express)
e) ES = 9 (Post Orient Express + Venice)
Total = 48
TB
a) PTS = 8
b) 1st act = 10 (UK)
c) 2nd act = 8 (Vulcan + Bond is handed assignment)
d) 3rd act = 10 (Bahamas)
e) ES = 8
Total = 44
OP
a) PTS = 10
b) 1st act = 8 (Berlin + Auction)
c) 2nd act = 10 (India)
d) 3rd act = 8 (Germany)
e) ES = 8 (India)
Total = 44
AVTAK
a) PTS = 6
b) 1st act = 8 (Horse race + Eiffel Tower)
c) 2nd act = 8 (At Zorin's Palace)
d) 3rd act = 6 (US)
e) ES = 8 (GG sequence)
Total = 36
LTK
a) PTS = 8
b) 1st act = 7 (Sanchez escapes)
c) 2nd act = 8 (Bond steals $$ + in SA)
d) 3rd act = 8 (Bond with Sanchez)
e) ES = 10 (Truck chase sequence)
Total = 41
Rest of PB films
TND
a) PTS = 8
b) 1st act = 8 (British sailor's murdered, Carver's intro, etc)
c) 2nd act = 9 (Hamburg)
d) 3rd act = 7 (Asia)
e) ES = 7
Total = 39
TWINE
a) PTS = 8
b) 1st act = 8 (Azerbaijan)
c) 2nd act = 7.5 (Kazakhstan)
d) 3rd act = 7.5 (Caspian Sea)
e) ES = 8 (Istanbul)
Total = 39
DAD
a) PTS = 8
b) 1st act = 8 (HK)
c) 2nd act = 7 (Cuba)
d) 3rd act = 6 (Ice Hotel)
e) ES = 6
Total = 35
Rest of DC films
CR
a) PTS = 7
b) 1st act = 9 (Africa)
c) 2nd act = 8 (Bahamas + Florida)
d) 3rd act = 8 (Casino)
e) ES = 7 (Venice + UK)
Total = 39
QoS
a) PTS = 6
b) 1st act = 6 (Haiti)
c) 2nd act = 8 (Austria)
d) 3rd act = 7 (Bolovia)
e) ES = 8 (Plane sequence + end)
Total = 35
SF
a) PTS = 8
b) 1st act = 7 (Bond recovers and rejoins)
c) 2nd act = 10 (Shanghai + Macao + Hashima Island)
d) 3rd act = 7 (Silva's capture and escape)
e) ES = 7 (Scotland)
Total = 39
Hopefully, I have rated all 24
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
I have the total at the end of each film. I guess, you mean a summary of totals .... In the order of release:
* DN = 46
* FRWL = 48
* GF = 45
* TB = 44
* YOLT = 42
* OHMSS = 48
* DAF = 41
* LALD = 44
* TMWTGG = 42
* TSWLM = 45
* MR = 39
* FYEO = 40
* OP = 44
* AVTAK = 36
* TLD = 44
* LTK = 41
* GE = 35
* TND = 39
* TWINE = 39
* DAD = 35
* CR = 39
* QoS = 35
* SF = 39
* SP = 41
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Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Rating is based on how the sums of their parts add up and not actors .... You can see the breakdown for where the films gain or lose
I like a good rank, but this one's taking it too far!!
"Better make that two."
PS I have grouped the films based on points:
48 = FRWL and OHMSS
46 = DN
45 = GF and TSWLM
44 = TB, LALD, OP and TLD
42 = YOLT and TMWTGG
41 = DAF, LTK and SP
40 = FYEO
39 = MR, TND, TWINE, CR and SF
36 = AVTAK
35 = GE, DAD and QoS
* 14 films scored above the benchmark film (FYEO). It would mean that many categories of these films were excellent to give them an overall higher score. Some of the categories could be equal to or below the benchmark
* 9 films were below the benchmark. Though some of their categories could have scored higher than the benchmark. It is just that these films were not as consistent as the benchmark in all categories
* Almost 50% of the films are closer to the benchmark score of 40 (range 42 to 39)
PPS If you want to use this system, remember that you are not supposed to rate FYEO. You would rate other films using FYEO's score as a guide
PPPS
Decade average:
1. 1960s = 45.5
2. 1970s = 42.2
3. 1980s = 41.0
4. 2010s = 40.0
5. 1990s = 37.7
6. 2000s = 36.3
Overall average per film = 41.35 (41)
PPPPS
Those who like to rate films on IMDB, if you divide the total by 5, you will get a number out of 10. That number can be used to rate movies (relatively objectively) on IMDB:
Total = Movie = IMDB type of score (rounded)
48 = FRWL and OHMSS = 9.6 (10)
46 = DN = 9.2 (9)
45 = GF and TSWLM = 9
44 = TB, LALD, OP and TLD = 8.8 (9)
42 = YOLT and TMWTGG = 8.4 (8)
41 = DAF, LTK and SP = (8)
40 = FYEO = 8
39 = MR, TND, TWINE, CR and SF = 7.8 (8)
36 = AVTAK = 7.2 (7)
35 = GE, DAD and QoS = 7
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1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
OHMSS
a) PTS = 10
b) 1st act = 10 (Bond in Portugal)
c) 2nd act = 9 (Bond in Switzerland + disguised as Bray)
d) end sequence act = 10 (Bond's escape + Tracy's capture)
e) ES = 10
Total = 49
TLD
a) PTS = 10
b) 1st act = 10 (Bratislava)
c) 2nd act = 10 (Ice Chase + Venice + Tangiers)
d) 3rd act = 8 (Russian base + Kamran)
e) end sequence = 7 (Back to the base + Hercules + Tangiers)
Total = 45
CR
a) PTS = 3
b) 1st act = 4 (Africa)
c) 2nd act = 4 (Bahamas + Florida)
d) 3rd act = 8 (Casino)
e) end sequence = 5 (Venice)
Total = 24
DAD
a) PTS = 8
b) 1st act = 5 (HK)
c) 2nd act = 4 (Cuba)
d) 3rd act = 4 (Ice Hotel)
e) end sequence = 4
Total = 25
I kept the films split up the same way, though I don't necessarily agree with the way they were split up. The end sequences you mention should be part of the third act.
That could be done as well but it could result in the films being rated a lot closer as eventually there is something interesting in a Bond film. While many films have elaborate end sequences which could be an highlight of the film .... An additional part to rate allows for flexibility to differentiate more
I think of the end sequence as being a short thing at the end. In TLD, the third act is the entire Afghanistan sequence, whilst the end sequence starts when Bond returns to Tangier to kill Whitaker.
Technically, you are right. In TLD, the Whitaker part is more like the actual ES .... However, in films such as LALD, TMWTGG, TSWLM, MR, FYEO, AVTAK, LTK, etc., there is another dimension once everything is sorted out. For e.g. FYEO, the end could have also happened when Bond and Melina were captured, but they did an elaborate sequence at Meteora. Similarly, Bond went to rescue BG in LALD and TSWLM. MR had an extra element added in space when the end could have also happened at the launch site in Brazil. So it tends to vary.
Why? I thought it was one of the best PTS of the series.
I don't like that it's black and white, and I don't like seeing Bond becoming a 00-agent. But especially I hate the way the gun barrel was done in trying to incorporate it into the story. And the gun barrel design looks really bad. The PTS was a huge disappointment for me when I saw the film the first time since it was much less than what I was expecting from a Bond PTS.
If the benchmark is 8. 3 appears to be too low though esp. considering that the PTS goes well with the overall theme/tone of the film
Interesting. It's one of my favorite PTS for all the reasons you listed.
If the whole film was black and white, the PTS would fit. But the stylisation of the PTS is different from the rest of the film. 3 is where I think it sits if FYEO's PTS is an 8. CR's PTS ranks far, far below. I think it's one of the worst of the series.
Fair enough. This only means that your range for handing out points in broader. I think my range has ranged from 6 to 10 so was surprised as well to see a number much lower than that
Same here -{
PTS - --
1st Act - 5
2nd Act - 5
3rd Act - 5
ES - 7
Total: 22/40
From Russia With Love:
PTS - 7
1st Act - 5
2nd Act - 7
3rd Act - 7
ES - 7
Total: 33/50
Goldfinger:
PTS - 8
1st Act - 9
2nd Act - 8
3rd Act - 8
ES - 9
Total: 42/50
Thunderball:
PTS - 8
1st Act - 5
2nd Act - 5
3rd Act - 4
ES - 3
Total: 25/50
You Only Live Twice:
PTS - 7
1st Act - 9
2nd Act - 8
3rd Act - 7
ES - 8
Total: 39/50
On Her Majesty's Secret Service:
PTS - 6
1st Act - 4
2nd Act - 5
3rd Act - 7
ES - 5
Total: 28/50
Diamonds Are Forever:
PTS - 8
1st Act - 8
2nd Act - 8
3rd Act - 5
ES - 5
Total: 34/50
Live and Let Die:
PTS - 7
1st Act - 8
2nd Act - 8
3rd Act - 8
ES - 8
Total: 39/50
The Man With The Golden Gun:
PTS - 6
1st Act - 7
2nd Act - 7
3rd Act - 5
ES - 7
Total: 32/50
The Spy Who Loved Me:
PTS - 10
1st Act - 8
2nd Act - 9
3rd Act - 9
ES - 9
Total: 45/50
Moonraker:
PTS - 9
1st Act - 8
2nd Act - 8
3rd Act - 7
ES - 7
Total: 39/50
For Your Eyes Only:
PTS - 10
1st Act - 10
2nd Act - 8
3rd Act - 9
ES - 8
Total: 45/50
Octopussy:
PTS - 8
1st Act - 8
2nd Act - 8
3rd Act - 10
ES - 10
Total: 44/50
A View to a Kill:
PTS - 8
1st Act - 10
2nd Act - 10
3rd Act - 10
ES - 10
Total: 48/50
The Living Daylights:
PTS - 8
1st Act - 8
2nd Act - 8
3rd Act - 8
ES - 10
Total: 42/50
Licence to Kill:
PTS - 10
1st Act - 8
2nd Act - 9
3rd Act - 10
ES - 10
Total: 47/50
GoldenEye:
PTS - 9
1st Act - 8
2nd Act - 9
3rd Act - 10
ES - 10
Total: 46/50
Tomorrow Never Dies:
PTS - 10
1st Act - 10
2nd Act - 7
3rd Act - 8
ES - 8
Total: 43/50
The World Is Not Enough:
PTS - 10
1st Act - 6
2nd Act - 6
3rd Act - 7
ES - 8
Total: 37/50
Die Another Day:
PTS - 9
1st Act - 9
2nd Act - 7
3rd Act - 6
ES - 1
Total: 32/50
Casino Royale:
PTS - 10
1st Act - 9
2nd Act - 8
3rd Act - 7
ES - 8
Total: 42/50
Quantum of Solace:
PTS - 7
1st Act - 6
2nd Act - 5
3rd Act - 5
ES - 6
Total: 29/50
Skyfall:
PTS - 10
1st Act - 9
2nd Act - 10
3rd Act - 9
ES - 9
Total: 47/50
Spectre:
PTS - 10
1st Act - 8
2nd Act - 8
3rd Act - 10
ES - 10
Total: 46/50
Ranking:
1. AVTAK - 48/50
2. LTK - 47/50
2. SF - 47/50
4. GE - 46/50
4. SP - 46/50
6. TSWLM - 45/50
6. FYEO - 45/50
8. OP - 44/50
9. TND - 43/50
10. GF - 42/50
10. TLD - 42/50
12. YOLT - 39/50
12. LALD - 39/50
12. MR - 39/50
15. TWINE - 37/50
16. DAF - 34/50
17. FRWL - 33/50
18. DAF - 32/50
18. TMWTGG - 32/50
18. DAD - 32/50
21. QoS - 29/50
22. OHMSS - 28/50
23. TB - 25/50
24. DN - 22/50
DN - You need to assign a value to the PTS otherwise you are rating it out of 40 only. You could use 8 (the benchmark) or 6 (approx. avg score that you gave to each category) .... so DN's score would be 28 or 30
And you were not supposed to rate FYEO
Your system only works if people feel the same about FYEO as you do. You can't set an opinion as a benchmark. You're asking too much of people in this system.
If someone rates FYEO as the best, the scores of other films would tend to be lower. And if FYEO is rated at the bottom, the scores of other films would tend to be higher .... Alternatively, you can increase or decrease score of all the categories equally to adjust it to your taste
The main purpose of the system is to rate films relatively to FYEO as much as possible so that removes personal biases to some extent when ranking for e.g. I may like X movie more than Y but if I am comparing X and Y with Z independently, some of my bias is negated and at times Y may get a higher score and I might surprise myself
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS