Barbour ToKiTo Beacon... fake?

north-ace · February 2016

Hi,

I am not a regular here but hope you guys can help me.

I recently bought one of these awesome jackets online... having tried on one of the Dept B versions I thought I knew how they fit, so I got a bit worried I might have bought a fake when this fits differently.

I've quickly uploaded a few photos here:

http://imgur.com/yNLMqbS

http://imgur.com/IHjIbcq

http://imgur.com/uZmYCDF

http://imgur.com/rffvmJx

http://imgur.com/HWL3g8U

http://imgur.com/IeEMeW3

http://imgur.com/hMuOlgZ

http://imgur.com/uZmYCDF

From the getgo I can tell the buttons have a different coloring in the lettering. The inside of the button seams looks a bit different as well. The hood cord also seems to be a bit darker in the one I have vs the photos online. Are these valid concerns? Did I just get a fake?

MFisher · February 2016

I am by no means an expert.. but I notice a lot of differences in those photos and my own To Ki To.. Most glaring was the green wool material that trims the interior pocket and is also the same material that the large Barbour and Sons patch is embroidered on in the interior.. yours appears to have almost twill like stripes in the weave.. whereas mine , upon very close inspection has a herringbone type weave.. buttons are definitely different.. those hood draw string barrels look pale grey whereas mine have a slight metallic finish to them.. Yours is also missing the made in Bulgaria tag underneath the "original barbour tartan" tag.. Again.. I am by no means an expert on these matters.. but there are clues there to raise an eyebrow at..

UNCLE27 · February 2016

I've just checked your pictures against my jacket and I do see a few differences. But this doesn't necessarily mean your jacket is fake. However, I can see one major difference. On mine the tartan lining down the centre seam matches perfectly whereas in your picture they are totally mismatched.

The green woollen label with the lighthouse on mine also has a herringbone pattern to it plus it has a full stop after South Shields.

My Barbour Care label is set higher. The top perfectly touching the bottom of the button and I do not have the small label beneath it.

My jacket does not have a Made in Bulgaria label. I seem to remember that there were different runs of this jacket and the earlier ones were made in UK. (But I may also be wrong here.)

I do not have my hood to hand to check that.

If it's fake, it looks like a well made fake but I think that with those quality control points above I'd also be a little suspicious. Hope this helps.

sl007ha · February 2016

Well I'm no expert in this, just compared with my TOKITO, there are a few concerns:
1) My tokito seems to have a much darker color but it could be just lighting issues.
2) The outer fabric doesn't seem to have the proper weight and the waxy finish to it.
3) The windowpane lining, although they're two fabrics joinning together from left and right, Barbour still have the decency to match the windowpane patterns together. But yours doesn't match.
4) As MFisher pointted out, the green wool fabric seems to have a different pattern.
5) My tokito has a button loop closure in the inside pocket but yours seems missing the loop
6) The shoulder pad on my tokito has a curved line to it but in the picture it looks like a straight line to the shoulder seam.

Again I'm no expert to this but many Bond items have slight differences in different batches, it could be in a different batch than ours. I think in order to put your mind in peace, I suggest you to take this jacket to a local store and have an expert look at it.

The_Commander · February 2016

I think you're right to be suspicious - it doesn't look right to me. I'm wearing mine right now and there's some subtle differences as others have pointed out. There's also the shape of the lower pocket flaps - these have rounded corners, not sharp ones as in your photos and the word Barbour looks wrong on the main inner label, especially the 'O'.

If you can, get a refund or raise a claim for a partial refund if you're otherwise happy.

Tennyson · February 2016

Someone posted a similar purchase last year on another thread, it's the O on the logo that tells me it's fake, it's proportions are wrong to the other letters

GS · February 2016

Photo of mine, same size but there is a difference in the spacing of the labels, may just be differences in manufacturing?

TheExit148 · February 2016

That jacket is definitely fake. I've reported it numerous times on ebay. The buttons are wrong, the colour of the trim on the pockets and shoulders is wrong, the ling is the right pattern, but the wrong material.

Enjoying Death · February 2016

If it is a fake, it's a pretty decent one.

Normally forgers don't worry about putting the names on buttons and zipper pulls.

UNCLE27 · February 2016

GS wrote:

Photo of mine, same size but there is a difference in the spacing of the labels, may just be differences in manufacturing?

The interior of mine looks exactly like this.
Note how the tartan lining all lines up and matches either side of the centre seam and compare this with the OPs picture. (Below)
Note also the full stop after South Shields.

MFisher · February 2016

yeah... sadly I think it is safe to say you have a fake... get a refund.. There are too many issues and discrepancies to write off as manufacturing issues..

north-ace · February 2016

Thanks for the feedback guys. I really appreciate it.

I am curious by the way, does someone here have both the ToKiTo and the Dept B version? I tried the latter one in Liberty in London in the same size and the fit was very very different... possible fake is not as fitted, a lot more relaxed. Are they both supposed to have the same fit? Is the difference also a red flag?

I think I'll definitely be going for a refund either way.

MFisher · February 2016

I do not have the Dept B version... however.. I generally wear a size M in most clothing.. My To Ki To Barbour is a M and very tight in the shoulders.. quite fitted compared to most size M clothing.. so I can say that yes, the To Ki To runs tighter.. but cannot say regarding the Dept B

GS · February 2016

I have both, albeit the dept b in navy... I would say the dept b is a little larger, both size medium and the to ki to is absolutely more fitted.

The_Commander · February 2016

I too have both - the Dept B is slightly larger, but I think it's mainly down to the fact that the wind flap is missing and the lining in the sleeves is less restrictive.

HarveyMushman · February 2016

What are the thoughts on this one: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222023807240 I'm thinking of bidding but can't quite make it out myself as I have never actually seen the To Ki To in person.

Appreciate your thoughts.

The only thing I can spot that's obvious based on the above comments it the care label not butting up against the button which I have seen on other jackets.

GS · February 2016

I don't have mine in front of me right now but I'm much more confident this is an original. Will have a look tonight unless others can check today.

HarveyMushman · February 2016

GS wrote:

I don't have mine in front of me right now but I'm much more confident this is an original. Will have a look tonight unless others can check today.

Thanks GS much appreciated.

UNCLE27 · February 2016

I've had a look through your link above and from the pictures I this would appear to be a far more genuine jacket. Certainly, the woollen trim around the inside pocket and flap look correct, as does the main interior label and lining.

The_Commander · February 2016

It appears to be genuine from the photos - there's nothing that strikes me as wrong. However, you might want to take a look at this:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/James-Bond-007-Skyfall-Barbour-To-Ki-To-wax-Sports-Jacket-Small-/222002805691?hash=item33b065fbbb%3Ag%3AeQQAAOSwKtlWopJQ&nma=true&si=rXAb30L6ZQRN7mbcKbxfKygJuhE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

It was sold by the same seller last week and now re-listed. Wonder why?

Also, this appears to be the same jacket from January this year:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/James-Bond-007-Skyfall-Barbour-To-Ki-To-wax-Sports-Jacket-Small-/181985561909?hash=item2a5f2f4d35%3Ag%3AQ8QAAOSwHaBWkA%7EL&nma=true&si=rXAb30L6ZQRN7mbcKbxfKygJuhE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

I'm guessing that unless the winning bid is above £500, Whitey won't actually sell the jacket.

HarveyMushman · February 2016

Thanks UNCLE and Commander

GS · February 2016

Hi - looked at mine last night and it looks very similar

There is a nice comparison between the Dept B and To Ki To here with photos:

http://www.jamesbondlifestyle.nl/node/905

Barbour ToKiTo Beacon... fake?

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