Next Bond after Craig: Rumours, etc

Loeffelholz · April 2016

zaphod99 wrote:

I think that the radio silence indicates that quite apart from who plays him we are a LONG way off from a new Bond film. It's simply too early to make an announcement or to negotiate a commitment as it's very open ended. It could go as late as 2020. In which case even Hiddleston or Turner might be getting a bit long in the tooth to start as Bond. Also there is no advantage for Eon to say anything. I would not expect any announcement any time soon. Strap in, it's going to be a long ride...

To me, a wait that long would be indicative of other problems, such as an inability to secure distribution from Sony (a new deal there) or whomever takes that over from Sony...and that would truly be stupid; quite a shame

You're right; there's no advantage for Eon to say anything IF they have absolutely no idea whether Craig is staying. In Craig's case, IMO it's not open-ended at all: either he does another one or two, or he doesn't. If they're going to get Craig back and let him do a television series, it shouldn't take that long (five years!?), which would certainly mean the end of Craig's tenure at SP, as his biological clock is obviously ticking. The current silence has to be indicative of efforts to retain him, despite rumours of him being 'already gone.' I can certainly understand the fair point made that Eon will be inclined to give him some time and space to mull it over, but surely not indefinitely.

If, on the other hand, Craig has left the role (or rather, once he actually does leave), there is every advantage in making an announcement of a Search for a New James Bond...unless, once again, they honestly feel that distribution can't be secured in a timely fashion, which is mind-boggling to me,

as surely there is a line of potential suitors lining up at MGM's door.

Miles Messervy · April 2016

The Domino Effect wrote:

Miles Messervy wrote:

Dinsey hasn't done so badly with franchises lately, so I'm not sure what you're scared of.

They've done some great stuff that I've thoroughly enjoyed, but off the top of my head it seems to all be superhero/comic book, animation and feel-good. I can't think of any thrillers or non-superhero/comic book action movies. Nothing like a Bond, Mission Impossible or Bourne, for example.

Fair point.

zaphod99 · April 2016

Loeffelholz wrote:

zaphod99 wrote:

I think that the radio silence indicates that quite apart from who plays him we are a LONG way off from a new Bond film. It's simply too early to make an announcement or to negotiate a commitment as it's very open ended. It could go as late as 2020. In which case even Hiddleston or Turner might be getting a bit long in the tooth to start as Bond. Also there is no advantage for Eon to say anything. I would not expect any announcement any time soon. Strap in, it's going to be a long ride...

To me, a wait that long would be indicative of other problems, such as an inability to secure distribution from Sony (a new deal there) or whomever takes that over from Sony...and that would truly be stupid; quite a shame

You're right; there's no advantage for Eon to say anything IF they have absolutely no idea whether Craig is staying. In Craig's case, IMO it's not open-ended at all: either he does another one or two, or he doesn't. If they're going to get Craig back and let him do a television series, it shouldn't take that long (five years!?), which would certainly mean the end of Craig's tenure at SP, as his biological clock is obviously ticking. The current silence has to be indicative of efforts to retain him, despite rumours of him being 'already gone.' I can certainly understand the fair point made that Eon will be inclined to give him some time and space to mull it over, but surely not indefinitely.

If, on the other hand, Craig has left the role (or rather, once he actually does leave), there is every advantage in making an announcement of a Search for a New James Bond...unless, once again, they honestly feel that distribution can't be secured in a timely fashion, which is mind-boggling to me, as surely there is a line of potential suitors lining up at MGM's door.

My reckoning makes it four years from now to 2020. 2019 is possible, 2018 is looking unlikely given that we are a ways into 2016 already.

Loeffelholz · April 2016

zaphod99 wrote:

Loeffelholz wrote:

zaphod99 wrote:

I think that the radio silence indicates that quite apart from who plays him we are a LONG way off from a new Bond film. It's simply too early to make an announcement or to negotiate a commitment as it's very open ended. It could go as late as 2020. In which case even Hiddleston or Turner might be getting a bit long in the tooth to start as Bond. Also there is no advantage for Eon to say anything. I would not expect any announcement any time soon. Strap in, it's going to be a long ride...

To me, a wait that long would be indicative of other problems, such as an inability to secure distribution from Sony (a new deal there) or whomever takes that over from Sony...and that would truly be stupid; quite a shame

You're right; there's no advantage for Eon to say anything IF they have absolutely no idea whether Craig is staying. In Craig's case, IMO it's not open-ended at all: either he does another one or two, or he doesn't. If they're going to get Craig back and let him do a television series, it shouldn't take that long (five years!?), which would certainly mean the end of Craig's tenure at SP, as his biological clock is obviously ticking. The current silence has to be indicative of efforts to retain him, despite rumours of him being 'already gone.' I can certainly understand the fair point made that Eon will be inclined to give him some time and space to mull it over, but surely not indefinitely.

If, on the other hand, Craig has left the role (or rather, once he actually does leave), there is every advantage in making an announcement of a Search for a New James Bond...unless, once again, they honestly feel that distribution can't be secured in a timely fashion, which is mind-boggling to me, as surely there is a line of potential suitors lining up at MGM's door.

My reckoning makes it four years from now to 2020. 2019 is possible, 2018 is looking unlikely given that we are a ways into 2016 already.

2020 would obviously be five years on from SP, which came out last year

At this point (barring other news), 2018 would certainly be the earliest release date if no issues at all present themselves, since three years is regrettably the new norm. Regardless, it's not a very satisfactory state of affairs for Bond fans.

Markyb64 · April 2016

A couple of weeks ago on the Graham Norton Show which had Henry Cavill and Ben Affleck promoting the Batman v Superman movie, Cavill revealed that it is a fact that he came second in choice to Craig in 2005. I now hope he's top!!

Loeffelholz · April 2016

Markyb64 wrote:

A couple of weeks ago on the Graham Norton Show which had Henry Cavill and Ben Affleck promoting the Batman v Superman movie, Cavill revealed that it is a fact that he came second in choice to Craig in 2005. I now hope he's top!!

I'm pretty sure that Cavill's age at the time of casting for CR (23) was the biggest issue the producers had. I've always been a proponent of his, and still am...but I doubt he'll get it, given everything else he's involved with. It's a shame, that.

The Domino Effect · April 2016

Markyb64 wrote:

A couple of weeks ago on the Graham Norton Show which had Henry Cavill and Ben Affleck promoting the Batman v Superman movie, Cavill revealed that it is a fact that he came second in choice to Craig in 2005. I now hope he's top!!

I saw that. He also made it very clear that he still really really wants the role!

zaphod99 · April 2016

Loeffelholz wrote:

zaphod99 wrote:

Loeffelholz wrote:

To me, a wait that long would be indicative of other problems, such as an inability to secure distribution from Sony (a new deal there) or whomever takes that over from Sony...and that would truly be stupid; quite a shame

You're right; there's no advantage for Eon to say anything IF they have absolutely no idea whether Craig is staying. In Craig's case, IMO it's not open-ended at all: either he does another one or two, or he doesn't. If they're going to get Craig back and let him do a television series, it shouldn't take that long (five years!?), which would certainly mean the end of Craig's tenure at SP, as his biological clock is obviously ticking. The current silence has to be indicative of efforts to retain him, despite rumours of him being 'already gone.' I can certainly understand the fair point made that Eon will be inclined to give him some time and space to mull it over, but surely not indefinitely.

If, on the other hand, Craig has left the role (or rather, once he actually does leave), there is every advantage in making an announcement of a Search for a New James Bond...unless, once again, they honestly feel that distribution can't be secured in a timely fashion, which is mind-boggling to me, as surely there is a line of potential suitors lining up at MGM's door.

My reckoning makes it four years from now to 2020. 2019 is possible, 2018 is looking unlikely given that we are a ways into 2016 already.

2020 would obviously be five years on from SP, which came out last year At this point (barring other news), 2018 would certainly be the earliest release date if no issues at all present themselves, since three years is regrettably the new norm. Regardless, it's not a very satisfactory state of affairs for Bond fans.

Agreed, it's dire all right.

Bmorelli11 · April 2016

The Domino Effect wrote:

Markyb64 wrote:

A couple of weeks ago on the Graham Norton Show which had Henry Cavill and Ben Affleck promoting the Batman v Superman movie, Cavill revealed that it is a fact that he came second in choice to Craig in 2005. I now hope he's top!!

I saw that. He also made it very clear that he still really really wants the role!

Henry is my number one choice, he'd be great!

Sir Miles · April 2016

Loeffelholz wrote:

Sir Miles wrote:

Loeffelholz wrote:

If Craig is, in fact, leaving---as has been posited here, by credible sources---what would be Eon's rationale for delaying that announcement at this point, except for ongoing negotiations with a receptive incumbent?

Probably because they are trying to hold Craig to his contract...

I thought that Michael Wilson himself said that Craig was not contractually bound to do another.

The last I heard - about a month ago - there is a contract and it IS binding...but Craig wants out...is there any point in forcing DC to do another if he REALLY doesn't want to...?
As always, the 'best' option is a 'mutual parting of the ways'...

Matt S · April 2016

Sir Miles wrote:

Loeffelholz wrote:

Sir Miles wrote:

Probably because they are trying to hold Craig to his contract...

I thought that Michael Wilson himself said that Craig was not contractually bound to do another.

The last I heard - about a month ago - there is a contract and it IS binding...but Craig wants out...is there any point in forcing DC to do another if he REALLY doesn't want to...?
As always, the 'best' option is a 'mutual parting of the ways'...

Here's where MGW says they don't have a contract: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/spectre-producer-expects-daniel-craig-837655

The Domino Effect · April 2016

Of course, if this does drag out for three or four years, EON may be the ones not wanting Craig back as they may prefer someone younger.

Loeffelholz · April 2016

The Domino Effect wrote:

Of course, if this does drag out for three or four years, EON may be the ones not wanting Craig back as they may prefer someone younger.

And if Sir Miles is correct, perhaps that's what Craig will do: drag his feet until he's ultimately released

Still, this would not square with insider info that he basically put his notice in last summer ?:)

Bottom line: it's all up in the air, as far as anyone knows

Sir Miles · April 2016

Matt S wrote:

Sir Miles wrote:

Loeffelholz wrote:

I thought that Michael Wilson himself said that Craig was not contractually bound to do another.

The last I heard - about a month ago - there is a contract and it IS binding...but Craig wants out...is there any point in forcing DC to do another if he REALLY doesn't want to...?
As always, the 'best' option is a 'mutual parting of the ways'...

Here's where MGW says they don't have a contract: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/spectre-producer-expects-daniel-craig-837655

Yes...read that before...as I said...'smoke and mirrors'...believe what you will -{

Sir Miles · April 2016

Loeffelholz wrote:

The Domino Effect wrote:

Of course, if this does drag out for three or four years, EON may be the ones not wanting Craig back as they may prefer someone younger.

And if Sir Miles is correct, perhaps that's what Craig will do: drag his feet until he's ultimately released Still, this would not square with insider info that he basically put his notice in last summer ?:)

Bottom line: it's all up in the air, as far as anyone knows

I think it perfectly 'squares up' with the insider info 8-)

DC put his notice in last summer...Eon tell him he has a contract for a fifth...DC says he isn't interested...they tell him it's binding...he wants to do other projects...but he makes Eon a shed load of cash as Bond...both are at a 'stand off' but Eon want to see if DC will continue willingly - they don't want to hurt the franchise...

Quite simple really...I thought you would have understood that

Anyway - believe what you wish -{

Loeffelholz · April 2016

Sir Miles wrote:

I think it perfectly 'squares up' with the insider info 8-)

DC put his notice in last summer...Eon tell him he has a contract for a fifth...DC says he isn't interested...they tell him it's binding...he wants to do other projects...but he makes Eon a shed load of cash as Bond...both are at a 'stand off' but Eon want to see if DC will continue willingly - they don't want to hurt the franchise...

Quite simple really...I thought you would have understood that

Well, perhaps for you chaps who clearly are brighter than the rest of us 8-)

Loeffelholz · April 2016

Not all of we Mortal Great Unwashed are privy to events up on Mount Olympus, after all.

Sir Miles · April 2016

Loeffelholz wrote:

Sir Miles wrote:

I think it perfectly 'squares up' with the insider info 8-)

DC put his notice in last summer...Eon tell him he has a contract for a fifth...DC says he isn't interested...they tell him it's binding...he wants to do other projects...but he makes Eon a shed load of cash as Bond...both are at a 'stand off' but Eon want to see if DC will continue willingly - they don't want to hurt the franchise...

Quite simple really...I thought you would have understood that

Well, perhaps for you chaps who clearly are brighter than the rest of us 8-)

Not really...it's very simple to grasp.

Sir Miles · April 2016

Loeffelholz wrote:

Not all of we Mortal Great Unwashed are privy to events up on Mount Olympus, after all.

Ok, I'll leave it with you then.

Loeffelholz · April 2016

Sir Miles wrote:

Loeffelholz wrote:

Sir Miles wrote:

I think it perfectly 'squares up' with the insider info 8-)

DC put his notice in last summer...Eon tell him he has a contract for a fifth...DC says he isn't interested...they tell him it's binding...he wants to do other projects...but he makes Eon a shed load of cash as Bond...both are at a 'stand off' but Eon want to see if DC will continue willingly - they don't want to hurt the franchise...

Quite simple really...I thought you would have understood that

Well, perhaps for you chaps who clearly are brighter than the rest of us 8-)

Not really...it's very simple to grasp.

Not if you don't have all available information (binding contract, of which I was unaware, as I only hear the news feeds such as the link given above).

Thanks very much for the erudition; I know my place, and will remain respectfully silent. Cheers .

Sir Miles · April 2016

Loeffelholz wrote:

Not if you don't have all available information (binding contract, of which I was unaware, as I only hear the news feeds such as the link given above).

Or just read what was posted earlier - I understand if that's too much trouble though 8-)

Loffelholz wrote:

Thanks very much for the erudition; I know my place, and will remain respectfully silent. Cheers .

I'd expect better than a childish comment from you - you let yourself down there...but I shall respect your silence.

Loeffelholz · April 2016

Sir Miles wrote:

Loeffelholz wrote:

Not if you don't have all available information (binding contract, of which I was unaware, as I only hear the news feeds such as the link given above).

Or just read what was posted earlier - I understand if that's too much trouble though 8-)

Loffelholz wrote:

Thanks very much for the erudition; I know my place, and will remain respectfully silent. Cheers .

I'd expect better than a childish comment from you - you let yourself down there...but I shall respect your silence.

True. I have not read all posts on this thread(?), and generally have not needed to do so. Asp9mm said some time back that Craig was essentially gone; you tell me today that he has a binding contract. To me, those two things seemed contadictory, and that's what I reacted to. Your eye-rolling is not the sort of disrespect to which I'm accustomed on this site (at least, not from a moderator!), but clearly things have changed. Nor are further insults at all becoming.

I'm honestly not sure how we got to this place, but I'll not linger where my presence is problematic, and shall defer to your vast relative maturity in handling this situation.

Asp9mm · April 2016

Loeffelholz wrote:

Sir Miles wrote:

Loeffelholz wrote:

Not if you don't have all available information (binding contract, of which I was unaware, as I only hear the news feeds such as the link given above).

Or just read what was posted earlier - I understand if that's too much trouble though 8-)

Loffelholz wrote:

Thanks very much for the erudition; I know my place, and will remain respectfully silent. Cheers .

I'd expect better than a childish comment from you - you let yourself down there...but I shall respect your silence.

True. I have not read all posts on this thread(?), and generally have not needed to do so. Asp9mm said some time back that Craig was essentially gone; you tell me today that he has a binding contract. To me, those two things seemed contadictory, and that's what I reacted to. Your eye-rolling is not the sort of disrespect to which I'm accustomed on this site (at least, not from a moderator!), but clearly things have changed. Nor are further insults at all becoming.

I'm honestly not sure how we got to this place, but I'll not linger where my presence is problematic, and shall defer to your vast relative maturity in handling this situation.

Don't blame Sir Miles. Things are confusing, and indeed contradictory. I'm confused and have a good inkling of what is happening. I think

As it is, the press have absolutely no idea

) BUT, may very well have influenced things going in a slightly different direction. But on this last part I'm speculating.

Sir Miles · April 2016

Asp9mm wrote:

Loeffelholz wrote:

Sir Miles wrote:

Or just read what was posted earlier - I understand if that's too much trouble though 8-)

I'd expect better than a childish comment from you - you let yourself down there...but I shall respect your silence.

True. I have not read all posts on this thread(?), and generally have not needed to do so. Asp9mm said some time back that Craig was essentially gone; you tell me today that he has a binding contract. To me, those two things seemed contadictory, and that's what I reacted to. Your eye-rolling is not the sort of disrespect to which I'm accustomed on this site (at least, not from a moderator!), but clearly things have changed. Nor are further insults at all becoming.

I'm honestly not sure how we got to this place, but I'll not linger where my presence is problematic, and shall defer to your vast relative maturity in handling this situation.

Don't blame Sir Miles. Things are confusing, and indeed contradictory. I'm confused and have a good inkling of what is happening. I think

As it is, the press have absolutely no idea ) BUT, may very well have influenced things going in a slightly different direction. But on this last part I'm speculating.

Thank you -{

DC returning just seems like a big game of 'chicken' - or 'see who will blink first'...I would have thought we all would understand that...I assume it's all about money in the end...?...

I'm not really sure why you got so confused and upset, Loeff...

MarcAngeDraco · April 2016

He seemed a more middle class type of character when they wrote Bond's character in CR.

walther p99 · April 2016

So it seems we may be in for another post QOS hiatus?

eric7064 · April 2016

I just can't get behind Cavill yet. He "looks" like superman but his performances are so wooden and boring.

So he "looks" like Bond. But I haven't seen the acting chops. And I think we would get a very wooden bond portrayal.

Some dislike Craigs portrayal. Well I feel Cavill's would be similar but 10× worse.

And I lIke Craigs portrayal.

Fassbender still for me.

Matt S · April 2016

eric7064 wrote:

I just can't get behind Cavill yet. He "looks" like superman but his performances are so wooden and boring.

So he "looks" like Bond. But I haven't seen the acting chops. And I think we would get a very wooden bond portrayal.

Some dislike Craigs portrayal. Well I feel Cavill's would be similar but 10× worse.

And I lIke Craigs portrayal.

Fassbender still for me.

I agree. I think Craig is quite wooden as Bond, and Cavill would be even more wooden, like Pierce Brosnan.

Gassy Man · April 2016

I'm not sure he really looks like Bond to me. I may be in the minority, but I find Cavill's face unlikable, a combination of his physiognomy and expressions. Perhaps it's because he reminds me too much of Disney villains, like Brom Bones and Gastogne:

HowardB · April 2016

Cavill is a decent actor who certainly "looks" the part but I don't know if he can move well enough to be an outstanding Bond and what I mean by "outstanding" is that there are plenty of actors who can look and attempt to act like Bond in a generic way but will the audience really believe they are Bond? A good example of this was the first time we see Timothy Dalton in TLD the audience immediately recognizes him as Bond with no introduction. I think Fassbender could pull this off with ease and inhabit the role. IMO, Dan Stevens may also be able to pull it off. I continue to stand by my theory that "poster boy" Bonds don't generally translate well to the screen.

Next Bond after Craig: Rumours, etc

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