I just get the feeling that no one we are currently discussing is going to be the next Bond. I was completely convinced that it was going to be Clive Owen the last time......the BMW short films were like auditions, looked great in a tux in "Croupier", 6'2" dark hair, blah, blah, blah. Boy was I wrong. -{
It's funny because when Craig showed up all muscle bound and stocky looking everyone complained that he didn't look like Bond at all and now people are saying Hiddleston is too slight to play Bond. Infact, apart from hair colour, Hiddleston is probably more literary Bond in appearance than most of the candidates, even down to cold eyes and a cruel mouth.
Agreed.
I can imagine Hiddleston in the role...seems as unlikely at first blush as Craigger did. Having not seen this Night Manager, I'm going with my gut.
I won't write him off
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But, back to Hiddleston as Bond. The time is right for him to be snapped up right now. I have noticed that the media is currently on a roll about who should be the next Bond, almost as if it is a done deal that Craig has finished with it. In fact, I can almost sense an acceptance on this thread that he probably has.
I have enjoyed the Craig tenure, but I wonder how much we would welcome Craig back into the role with all of this speculation now. Would everyone be overjoyed or would it be a case of: "Oh, so we're not getting a new Bond then?"
Of the top runners, I don't think Tom Hardy should be Bond. I like him, but he's too much of a bruiser. Henry Caville just seems desperate to put the festering turd of Superman behind him and jump onto another winning franchise - so thanks pal, but no thanks. Young Turner has the look, especially when in And Then There Were None, but I don't think he oozes the charm that Hiddleston does.
Remember when Craig emerged from the sea in his banana hammock, a whole new audience of women became Bond fans. Hiddleston's appeal with the ladies makes him a viable choice.
I plan to watch the Night Manager when it debuts on AMC in a few weeks in the States. I'll have a more concrete opinion about him then since I've only really seen him play a villain up to this point, but I'm keeping an open mind.
"Henry Caville just seems desperate to put the festering turd of Superman behind him and jump onto another winning franchise - so thanks pal, but no thanks." That "festering turd" just grossed $468.6 million worldwide this past weekend. Unless Henry is allergic to spandex he's going to be Superman for a while (although IMO it would be easier to recast Superman than a successful Bond).
Looking forward to watching "Night Manager" also.....there lies the rub. Rumors abound of Craig's departure from Bond; Hiddleston steps up and declares "I would love to be Bond". British, tall, has good exposure from the Marvel films....hmm could be the next Bond better check out that show he's in, better check out that new movie he's in, check out those commercials...all of a sudden Tom Hiddleston is in the news. Smart pub. Who knows if the guy is even on EON's radar screen but he sure is on everyone elses.
When I first saw Daniel Craig introduced as Bond, I was appalled. I thought they'd lost it. Then I saw Casino Royale and my mind was immediately changed.
I must have been one of the few who was the opposite. I like the idea of a Bond who was my height and had my hair colour. I never felt so much like James Bond as when he was announced, so I was excited! Then I saw him in CR and I was very disappointed.
How the hell did you not like his performance in what is one of the best Bond movies?
Pussy Galore: “My name is Pussy Galore.”
Bond: “I must be dreaming.”
How the hell did you not like his performance in what is one of the best Bond movies?
I think Craig gives the most wooden performance as Bond in any Bond film. He has no chemistry with Eva Green. The dialogue is some of the worst in the entire series. The action scenes are extremely boring. I rank the film at the bottom alongside Die Another Day.
How the hell did you not like his performance in what is one of the best Bond movies?
I think Craig gives the most wooden performance as Bond in any Bond film. He has no chemistry with Eva Green. The dialogue is some of the worst in the entire series. The action scenes are extremely boring. I rank the film at the bottom alongside Die Another Day.
Maybe this belongs in the topic "things we can all agree on" but this is what makes the Bond franchise so much fun. We have all seen the same movie but we all think very differently about it. It is all a matter of opinion. To me the guy who plays Bond is far less important than the movie itself. OHMSS is one of my favourite Bond movies but George Lazenby isn’t my favourite Bond by a long shot.
The same goes with Daniel Craig. If EON makes another great movie with DC as Bond, hurrah! If they make a great movie without him, hurrah as well. However, I hear a lot of people saying that Craig needs to do at least one more so they can finish the Blofeld story. I don't think EON will squander the chance they have with SPECTRE and Blofeld by using him for just one more film. It took them years to get the rights back. I think/hope SPECTRE is here to stay. They don't have to use them every movie but I would find it a pity if Blofeld would be killed off in the next film.
One way or another, it does appear as if an undercurrent is pulling Craigger away from the conversation. Perhaps it is 'four and out' for him, as insiders here have been saying for months.
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I think he is a strong contender, but I find it unlikely he will be signed for the role without a extensive search and many actors being testscreened. :007)
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I think he is a strong contender, but I find it unlikely he will be signed for the role without a extensive search and many actors being testscreened. :007)
Agreed. In fact I've never seen Aidan Turner in anything, nor heard of him, except for here and on a Bond fan page on Facebook. He looks all right...but like Craig, he's too short
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"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I think he is a strong contender, but I find it unlikely he will be signed for the role without a extensive search and many actors being testscreened. :007)
Agreed. In fact I've never seen Aidan Turner in anything, nor heard of him, except for here and on a Bond fan page on Facebook. He looks all right...but like Craig, he's too short
He's shorter than all of the film Bonds before Craig, but he's the height Fleming specified.
I think he is a strong contender, but I find it unlikely he will be signed for the role without a extensive search and many actors being testscreened. :007)
Agreed. In fact I've never seen Aidan Turner in anything, nor heard of him, except for here and on a Bond fan page on Facebook. He looks all right...but like Craig, he's too short
He's shorter than all of the film Bonds before Craig, but he's the height Fleming specified.
I was being entirely tongue-in-cheek, naturally As perhaps the charter member of the 'Give Poor Danny A Chance' club during the height of the Craig Wars here back in '05-'06, I'm also quite familiar with Fleming's description, and feel that height is not a factor until the prospective actor dips noticeably below the literary benchmark.
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"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Agreed. In fact I've never seen Aidan Turner in anything, nor heard of him, except for here and on a Bond fan page on Facebook. He looks all right...but like Craig, he's too short
He's shorter than all of the film Bonds before Craig, but he's the height Fleming specified.
I was being entirely tongue-in-cheek, naturally As perhaps the charter member of the 'Give Poor Danny A Chance' club during the height of the Craig Wars here back in '05-'06, I'm also quite familiar with Fleming's description, and feel that height is not a factor until the prospective actor dips noticeably below the literary benchmark.
Sorry, I knew you were familiar with the height of Fleming's description, so I figured you must not have been familiar with Turner's height since you said you aren't very familiar with him.
He's shorter than all of the film Bonds before Craig, but he's the height Fleming specified.
I was being entirely tongue-in-cheek, naturally As perhaps the charter member of the 'Give Poor Danny A Chance' club during the height of the Craig Wars here back in '05-'06, I'm also quite familiar with Fleming's description, and feel that height is not a factor until the prospective actor dips noticeably below the literary benchmark.
Sorry, I knew you were familiar with the height of Fleming's description, so I figured you must not have been familiar with Turner's height since you said you aren't very familiar with him.
I didn't know until I looked him up on IMDB, which lists him at 5'11"...right in Craig's range.
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I was being entirely tongue-in-cheek, naturally As perhaps the charter member of the 'Give Poor Danny A Chance' club during the height of the Craig Wars here back in '05-'06, I'm also quite familiar with Fleming's description, and feel that height is not a factor until the prospective actor dips noticeably below the literary benchmark.
Sorry, I knew you were familiar with the height of Fleming's description, so I figured you must not have been familiar with Turner's height since you said you aren't very familiar with him.
I didn't know until I looked him up on IMDB, which lists him at 5'11"...right in Craig's range.
I've read in other places he was 6', but the shorter height is usually the more accurate one.
I was being entirely tongue-in-cheek, naturally As perhaps the charter member of the 'Give Poor Danny A Chance' club during the height of the Craig Wars here back in '05-'06, I'm also quite familiar with Fleming's description, and feel that height is not a factor until the prospective actor dips noticeably below the literary benchmark.
Sorry, I knew you were familiar with the height of Fleming's description, so I figured you must not have been familiar with Turner's height since you said you aren't very familiar with him.
I didn't know until I looked him up on IMDB, which lists him at 5'11"...right in Craig's range.
Numbers are not important as what was considered tall in the 1950's is very different from today. I am 6 ft 4 and in Australia do not appear to be particularly tall as many younger people are considerably taller than me. The significant point for me is that he is described as 'tall' which is a relative not absolute state. In any event Danny is no where near 5'11 and is probably 5 ft 9 shoeless. I know you were joking, and I have fell into your dastardly trap, but in all seriousness Turner does appear a little short to me. If we are to get a new Bond I'd prefer it not to be another fun sized one
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Numbers are not important as what was considered tall in the 1950's is very different from today. I am 6 ft 4 and in Australia do not appear to be particularly tall as many younger people are considerably taller than me. The significant point for me is that he is described as 'tall' which is a relative not absolute state. In any event Danny is no where near 5'11 and is probably 5 ft 9 shoeless. I know you were joking, and I have fell into your dastardly trap, but in all seriousness Turner does appear a little short to me. If we are to get a new Bond I'd prefer it not to be another fun sized one
IMDB puts Craigger at 5'10", and who knows about accuracy there...it's like heights and weights on baseball players, etc. But if the same site puts Turner taller than Craig, then height differential isn't a big deal to me. I'll check into Hiddleston's height...I'm not at all repelled by the thought of him as Bond, although Cavill remains my first choice (out of the running no doubt he likely is)
Edit: IMDB puts Hiddleston at 6'2", which is closer to the idealized expected height for Our Hero. I'm 6'4" myself, so my personal perspective on height comes from there, but I always felt that Craig didn't 'play too short' onscreen. I'm sure his enhanced musculature early on was a means of compensation :007)
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I'm 6ft 2 ins, Craig is very very short to me. The top of his head is at my chin. So I reckon he's 5ft 10 in shoes.
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I'm 6ft 2 ins, Craig is very very short to me. The top of his head is at my chin. So I reckon he's 5ft 10 in shoes.
Good to know - that speaks to IMDB's accuracy in that aspect -{
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"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Whether you like Craig or not, he has changed our perception of Bond. If the next one is again short, or blonde, it will be much less controversial. I wasn't a fan of such changes, but they have been made, so why not push boundaries even further, and get a non-Caucasian Bond?
As for Craig not looking as short as he is on screen - I don't think it had anything to do with his musculature, but clever camera work. If you keep the camera low, the object looks taller. Some strategically placed raised walkboards may also have been used in some scenes.
Finally, I would by now expect Eon to tell us more about the new movie. The silence means that either we will have a new actor, or there will be an extended break before the new film. Or possibly both.
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As for Craig not looking as short as he is on screen - I don't think it had anything to do with his musculature, but clever camera work. If you keep the camera low, the object looks taller. Some strategically placed raised walkboards may also have been used in some scenes.
It's hilarious in SKYFALL when he exits the grilled section into the main public area of the Tube. He is clearly walking along a platform higher than the floor everyone else is on, and steps down off it to enter the actual platform ) It looks to be at least 9 inches higher than the floor when he steps down off it.
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DC is actually quite small in proportions, and you'd be surprised when you see him. Shocked even. I can wear his clothes very well except his trousers in length. Waist is fine. They are 4 inches too short. I'm quite slender and a good 15 inches taller. It's his shortness in leg mostly that gives him his compact and more buff look. But his small stature is very proportionate so it gives him the illusion of a bigger person on screen.
DC is actually quite small in proportions, and you'd be surprised when you see him. Shocked even. I can wear his clothes very well except his trousers in length. Waist is fine. They are 4 inches too short. I'm quite slender and a good 15 inches taller. It's his shortness in leg mostly that gives him his compact and more buff look. But his small stature is very proportionate so it gives him the illusion of a bigger person on screen.
That "shortness in leg" makes perfect sense. That must be why even when he takes his kit off, we only see him from waist up, or his legs are in the water. But like I said, good camera work can hide flaws like that.
Whats funny to me is after reading all the negative views on DC as JB, him being wooden, not handsome enough, not tall enough, not brown hair, he is too much like a thug, Ian Flemming wouldn't approve, etc.
Regardless of all of that DC really brought back the James Bond franchise to something that tops MI and Bourne. Hell DC's era of Bond movies made more than any other Bond movies. Sure there is an increase in inflation and all that jazz but regardless no previous Bond movie made 1 BILLION dollars regardless of inflation.
For me personally DC made me enjoy Bond for the first time and actually made me interested in the franchise.
Funny how this thread has evolved (or devolved) into a referendum on Daniel Craig....if he really is gone, I will miss him as Bond. He was unique as Bond as were the Bond films he appeared in. The Craig era has made Bond credible once again. I hold out hope that he returns for at least one more but I am enjoying this discussion of who could be next. Apparently US television is loaded with British and Australian actors playing Americans who I can't identify as being British who might fit the role well. If anyone here can identify some of them it could be interesting. The other thing is, does EON go back to Australia to find their new 007? I'm thinking maybe Aussie Jai Courtney. I think he's only around 30, 6'1", can look physically imposing, handsome but not a pretty boy, can do physical, other than the "Die Hard" and "Terminator" he did pretty much has only had secondary supporting roles in major films. Might fit the old classic Cubby and Harry formula of molding rough and tough into smooth.
Whats funny to me is after reading all the negative views on DC as JB, him being wooden, not handsome enough, not tall enough, not brown hair, he is too much like a thug, Ian Flemming wouldn't approve, etc.
Regardless of all of that DC really brought back the James Bond franchise to something that tops MI and Bourne. Hell DC's era of Bond movies made more than any other Bond movies. Sure there is an increase in inflation and all that jazz but regardless no previous Bond movie made 1 BILLION dollars regardless of inflation.
For me personally DC made me enjoy Bond for the first time and actually made me interested in the franchise.
Give me one more round DC!
Yes, but no other Bond movie was specifically made to celebrate 50 years of the franchise, and to capitalise on it. Regardless whether Craig stays or goes, do not expect this to be matched anytime soon.
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Agreed.
I can imagine Hiddleston in the role...seems as unlikely at first blush as Craigger did. Having not seen this Night Manager, I'm going with my gut.
I won't write him off
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
What a shame. Clive Owen was born to play Bond.
But, back to Hiddleston as Bond. The time is right for him to be snapped up right now. I have noticed that the media is currently on a roll about who should be the next Bond, almost as if it is a done deal that Craig has finished with it. In fact, I can almost sense an acceptance on this thread that he probably has.
I have enjoyed the Craig tenure, but I wonder how much we would welcome Craig back into the role with all of this speculation now. Would everyone be overjoyed or would it be a case of: "Oh, so we're not getting a new Bond then?"
Of the top runners, I don't think Tom Hardy should be Bond. I like him, but he's too much of a bruiser. Henry Caville just seems desperate to put the festering turd of Superman behind him and jump onto another winning franchise - so thanks pal, but no thanks. Young Turner has the look, especially when in And Then There Were None, but I don't think he oozes the charm that Hiddleston does.
Remember when Craig emerged from the sea in his banana hammock, a whole new audience of women became Bond fans. Hiddleston's appeal with the ladies makes him a viable choice.
Looking forward to watching "Night Manager" also.....there lies the rub. Rumors abound of Craig's departure from Bond; Hiddleston steps up and declares "I would love to be Bond". British, tall, has good exposure from the Marvel films....hmm could be the next Bond better check out that show he's in, better check out that new movie he's in, check out those commercials...all of a sudden Tom Hiddleston is in the news. Smart pub. Who knows if the guy is even on EON's radar screen but he sure is on everyone elses.
How the hell did you not like his performance in what is one of the best Bond movies?
Bond: “I must be dreaming.”
I think Craig gives the most wooden performance as Bond in any Bond film. He has no chemistry with Eva Green. The dialogue is some of the worst in the entire series. The action scenes are extremely boring. I rank the film at the bottom alongside Die Another Day.
The same goes with Daniel Craig. If EON makes another great movie with DC as Bond, hurrah! If they make a great movie without him, hurrah as well. However, I hear a lot of people saying that Craig needs to do at least one more so they can finish the Blofeld story. I don't think EON will squander the chance they have with SPECTRE and Blofeld by using him for just one more film. It took them years to get the rights back. I think/hope SPECTRE is here to stay. They don't have to use them every movie but I would find it a pity if Blofeld would be killed off in the next film.
http://www.movienewsguide.com/aidan-turner-james-bond-producers-meeting-forces-tom-hiddleston-idris-elba-deny-interest/185404
One way or another, it does appear as if an undercurrent is pulling Craigger away from the conversation. Perhaps it is 'four and out' for him, as insiders here have been saying for months.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Agreed. In fact I've never seen Aidan Turner in anything, nor heard of him, except for here and on a Bond fan page on Facebook. He looks all right...but like Craig, he's too short
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
He's shorter than all of the film Bonds before Craig, but he's the height Fleming specified.
I was being entirely tongue-in-cheek, naturally
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Sorry, I knew you were familiar with the height of Fleming's description, so I figured you must not have been familiar with Turner's height since you said you aren't very familiar with him.
I didn't know until I looked him up on IMDB, which lists him at 5'11"...right in Craig's range.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I've read in other places he was 6', but the shorter height is usually the more accurate one.
Numbers are not important as what was considered tall in the 1950's is very different from today. I am 6 ft 4 and in Australia do not appear to be particularly tall as many younger people are considerably taller than me. The significant point for me is that he is described as 'tall' which is a relative not absolute state. In any event Danny is no where near 5'11 and is probably 5 ft 9 shoeless. I know you were joking, and I have fell into your dastardly trap, but in all seriousness Turner does appear a little short to me. If we are to get a new Bond I'd prefer it not to be another fun sized one
IMDB puts Craigger at 5'10", and who knows about accuracy there...it's like heights and weights on baseball players, etc. But if the same site puts Turner taller than Craig, then height differential isn't a big deal to me. I'll check into Hiddleston's height...I'm not at all repelled by the thought of him as Bond, although Cavill remains my first choice (out of the running no doubt he likely is)
Edit: IMDB puts Hiddleston at 6'2", which is closer to the idealized expected height for Our Hero. I'm 6'4" myself, so my personal perspective on height comes from there, but I always felt that Craig didn't 'play too short' onscreen. I'm sure his enhanced musculature early on was a means of compensation :007)
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Good to know - that speaks to IMDB's accuracy in that aspect -{
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
As for Craig not looking as short as he is on screen - I don't think it had anything to do with his musculature, but clever camera work. If you keep the camera low, the object looks taller. Some strategically placed raised walkboards may also have been used in some scenes.
Finally, I would by now expect Eon to tell us more about the new movie. The silence means that either we will have a new actor, or there will be an extended break before the new film. Or possibly both.
It's hilarious in SKYFALL when he exits the grilled section into the main public area of the Tube. He is clearly walking along a platform higher than the floor everyone else is on, and steps down off it to enter the actual platform
That "shortness in leg" makes perfect sense. That must be why even when he takes his kit off, we only see him from waist up, or his legs are in the water. But like I said, good camera work can hide flaws like that.
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
Regardless of all of that DC really brought back the James Bond franchise to something that tops MI and Bourne. Hell DC's era of Bond movies made more than any other Bond movies. Sure there is an increase in inflation and all that jazz but regardless no previous Bond movie made 1 BILLION dollars regardless of inflation.
For me personally DC made me enjoy Bond for the first time and actually made me interested in the franchise.
Give me one more round DC!
Yes, but no other Bond movie was specifically made to celebrate 50 years of the franchise, and to capitalise on it. Regardless whether Craig stays or goes, do not expect this to be matched anytime soon.